More California gun control antics

[2aBaC̶a̶]

So there this thing here in CA called a Handgun roster, basically a list of CA approved handguns.

Headed to our shitbag governors desk is 2 new laws.

Any new gun requires microstamping the serial on the primer.

Also a law that requires for every new gun added 3 must be removed.

My question to someone with better math skills than I is with a 1 to 3 system of diminishing returns, 827 handguns currently how many new guns need to be added before were down to 1 approved gun on the roster?

 

[wolf13]

426. How's that microstamping different than the current one that has made it impossible to have new semis added?

Doesn't matter what Newsome does, they have a supermajority and would override his veto.

 

[HiDesertELR]

Reason #19,786,423 to GTFO

 

[pmclaine]

Isn't he being investigated for money laundering a free mansion......

 

[Gregor.Samsa]

Or newsom keeping his wineries open during covid when all the others had to close. I'm in the Napa Valley an this shit really ruffled feathers. Newsom is hippocrate piece of shit of the highest (lowest?) order.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

426. How's that microstamping different than the current one that has made it impossible to have new semis added?

Doesn't matter what Newsome does, they have a supermajority and would override his veto.

AB 2847
Its looking like this 1 on/3 off is a revision along with requiring the microstamp in only 1 place on the spent cartrige instead of 2.

 

[softcock]

Cool ... the requirement of micro stamping serial # on Ammo sold. It instantly twists all your plain-Jane Handloads, to the new politically pushed Media phrase of ... ' Ghost Ammo ' .

 

[MadDuner]

“Ghost Ammo”
I like the sound of that.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

Cool ... the requirement of micro stamping serial # on Ammo sold. instantly twists all your plain-Jane Handloads, to the new politically pushed Media phrase of .. ' Ghost Ammo ' .

Microstamped ammo , Dont give them any ideas.

I'm talking the current law where the handgun itself microstamps its own serial # onto the spent case so that police can trace the gun from cases left at the scene of a crime.

 

[GBMaryland]

Based on what you said above that ends up being a de facto ban....

.... Which the ninth circuit already said is a no no.

 

[MadDuner]

Police your brass...

 

[Jscb1b]

Revolvers.

 

[Jscb1b]

Microstamped ammo , Dont give them any ideas.

I'm talking the current law where the handgun itself microstamps its own serial # onto the spent case so that police can trace the gun from cases left at the scene of a crime.

How does that work? Ser no on firing pin?

 

[Bakwa]

Microstamped ammo , Dont give them any ideas.

I'm talking the current law where the handgun itself microstamps its own serial # onto the spent case so that police can trace the gun from cases left at the scene of a crime.

Cant forensics already match casings and bullets to particular guns pretty well? What would a "stamp" do besides make it just that much easier?

 

[powdahound76]

Learn how to change a firing pin?

Figure it out.

I think the gap in the back of a Glock could be configured with a plug.
Much like the magpul grips that hold a spare firing pin for an AR. (As well as springs and stuff)

The law is crap. Perhaps it will go the way of the mag ban on the 9th.
But find a way passed it if it does.

God gave you rights. Letting man take them away so the devil may prevail is no way to live.

 

[Tims]

If micro stamping doesn't exist now( which prevents new semi auto handguns from being added to the roster) what's the point of another micro stamping law for technology that does not exist?

 

[Jscb1b]

With firing pin marks and rifling it sounds like making more hoops for gun makers to jump through.

 

[Bakwa]

What will be funny is if this goes through, years down the road when all of the legal guns have been "microstamped" and law abiding citizens have complied, all of the casings at the crime scenes will still have no stampings on them...

 

[MadDuner]

With firing pin marks and rifling it sounds like making more hoops for gun makers to jump through.

Precisely the goal.
Always.

 

[Bakwa]

With firing pin marks and rifling it sounds like making more hoops for gun makers to jump through.

I can see it now. CA compliant guns will be sold for 80% more than the standard model.
I don't know why I even click on these threads. It always just pisses me off. And I don't even live in or travel through CA.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

Fuck outta here with this shit, anybody who tries it...

YOU motherfuckers told us we are in the "new normal" now. COOL. We have our own "new normal", where we decide what we can own, especially now that your released felons and murderous leftist thugs are running amuck...

 

[Winningdog]

Carry more revolvers.

 

[Carlos Danger]

I already had microstamping done on my gun.....

 

[Redmanss]

With firing pin marks and rifling it sounds like making more hoops for gun makers to jump through.

And we, the Second Amendment supporting public, are waiting to see what firearms manufacturers refuse to sell or service any firearms to any and all .gov agencies within California in boycott of these types of laws if/when they are passed.

 

[missed]

I'd like to stamp fuck you commie on it....

 

[TxWelder35]

Sounds like a quick swipe of a file on the firing pin solves that problem pretty quick

 

[D̷e̷v̷i̷l̷D̷o̷c̷A̷Z̷]

I always see a lot of CA plates in the local gun shops. I don’t think anyone is complying as it is.

 

[missed]

I always see a lot of CA plates in the local gun shops. I don’t think anyone is complying as it is.

Gotta tell them when they see that to park somewhere else and walk. The CA DOJ has been known to go hangout at AZ and NV gun shops and look for CA plates and pop them once they get back into CA

 

[D̷e̷v̷i̷l̷D̷o̷c̷A̷Z̷]

Gotta tell them when they see that to park somewhere else and walk. The CA DOJ has been known to go hangout at AZ and NV gun shops and look for CA plates and pop them once they get back into CA

Lol. Im not baby sitting CA people. Fuck em.

 

[Redmanss]

Sounds like a quick swipe of a file on the firing pin solves that problem pretty quick

It's not the stamp, we all know that can be mitigated, it's the premise that it will cause many manufacturers to not sell to the public, will cause further heightening of firearm prices, will restrict spare parts and repair of firearms, and will be a functional gun ban for most common citizens of the state.

 

[wolf13]

If micro stamping doesn't exist now( which prevents new semi auto handguns from being added to the roster) what's the point of another micro stamping law for technology that does not exist?

It does exist. It was proven a viable technology which is why the roster is what it is now. No gun has it, but the way the law read said it just needed to be a proven tech then it was required.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

Their goal and And the reason there aren't many makes and models including any glocks newer than a gen 3 on the roster or for sale to the general public in CA.

Prohibition through regulation.

Just wait until every gun has to be smart...

Cant forensics already match casings and bullets to particular guns pretty well? What would a "stamp" do besides make it just that much easier?

Forensics would have the serial of the gun on each spent casing at a crime scene. In theory it would be a huge help in solving crimes.

 

[norcalAF]

How does that work? Ser no on firing pin?

It is an impossible feature that doesn't exist and can't with current technology, it (the law) is designed to prevent any new gun from being added to the roster. So the add 1 subtract 3 law is irrelevant as there are no guns being made that would feature this technology, nor is there any impetus for manufacturers to try and develop it.

 

[norcalAF]

If micro stamping doesn't exist now( which prevents new semi auto handguns from being added to the roster) what's the point of another micro stamping law for technology that does not exist?

They are triple stamping a double stamp

 

[norcalAF]

It does exist. It was proven a viable technology which is why the roster is what it is now. No gun has it, but the way the law read said it just needed to be a proven tech then it was required.

If I recall it was on one prototype 22lr pistol, that also was a "smart gun." The gun required you to wear a wrist band that required batteries and didn't allow the gun to function when the wrist band was away from the gun, the gun also didn't function well when the band was near the gun. But apparently it fired on occasion so the claim could be made that the technology existed.

 

[wolf13]

If I recall it was on one prototype 22lr pistol, that also was a "smart gun." The gun required you to wear a wrist band that required batteries and didn't allow the gun to function when the wrist band was away from the gun, the gun also didn't function well when the band was near the gun. But apparently it fired on occasion so the claim could be made that the technology existed.

Correct.... Roster was always meant to be a defacto ban. It has already been to court and we lost. Supreme Court did not grant cert. Really the only hope is they do what they did with magaiznes and get greedy.

 

[norcalAF]

Correct.... Roster was always meant to be a defacto ban. It has already been to court and we lost. Supreme Court did not grant cert. Really the only hope is they do what they did with magaiznes and get greedy.

Perhaps as more manufactures decline to continue to pay the extortion fees to the state to keep their products on the roster, and the number of guns dwindles further, it will become indefensible, but that is going to take a while. Glock is pretty much only making gen 3 for the California market as it is still lucrative to do so, but I can't imagine they will want to keep with three different designs (gen 3-5) or even two forever. Same with S&W and others.

 

[koobs84]

With firing pin marks and rifling it sounds like making more hoops for gun makers to jump through.

Thats been the goal for years in CA. They add these laws knowing that gun manufacturers won't comply because they are not going to make CA specific firearms. Too expensive to manufacture special firearms for one state. Theres already a shit ton of firearms not allowed in CA. Any newer modeled firearms or updated Gen models produced in recent years is not allowed in CA unless you are Law Enforcement exempt or if purchased through a private party transfer.

 

[koobs84]

This can all be stopped if ALL gun and ammo companies refuse to sell to CA departments. Ronnie Barrett led the way but no one followed

This stops nothing. This gives CA a victory by default. Just like companies are not required to make CA legal firearms, CA doesn't have to change their laws for companies. Unless the courts deem otherwise. Only a few companies are producing CA legal firearms.

Out of state businesses are already refusing sales of ammunition to CA because of the hoops of going through an FFL and the party having to register..

In the past Californians were able to purchase ammo and have it shipped directly to your home, except in certain counties that outlawed this. Now all ammo has to be sent to an FFL just the same as firearms sales. The ffl has to have the party register the ammo purchase. This was labeled as a law that would prevent criminals from easy access ammo. All of us sane people understand this was never the intent. We all know criminals don't purchase anything, they steal it. This law is there way of creating a recorded paper trail to see what ammo you are purchasing, the amount, and how often. DOJ can see what ammo you are purchasing and compare to the firearms you have registered. They see a large purchase of a specific ammo you don't have a firearm to in their records... Expect a knock at your door and probably a warrant to see inside at what ya got.

Fuck DOJ

 

[koobs84]

I disagree. If CA police departments were unable to buy any firearms or ammo, things would change.

Im not sure exactly what you're disagreeing with. If you can, I'd like to know how things would change if all gun and ammo companies stop selling to CA. You really think the CA government cares about that? You think they would change the rules and allow guns back in CA? These laws are meant to reduce the number of guns in the state. If they all stopped selling in Cali, slime ball Gov. Newsome would throw a parade. He'd probably open the state back up too during this pandemic.

Not trying to be rude in anyway. Im just curious how not selling to CA could fix the problem.

Cali will always have law enforcement exemption. If they didn't then these laws would obviously affect how law enforcement would be able to do their jobs correctly. Politicians aren't stupid. They don't want law abiding citizens to have these guns, but the people that are paid to protect them need all the firepower possible to do it.

 

[hollowoutadime]

Someone out there needs to file a lawsuit, I think the Supreme Court would find the new regs "unnecessarily burdensome" on the 2A,

 

[koobs84]

I think you are missing my point. Manufactures need to stop selling to POLICE, until rights are restored to citizens. Once police can't buy guns or ammo, things will change

You're correct, I did miss that part.

Thats a tough decision for a company to make. Thats definitely playing politics and puts power in their hands. But is that really a good thing? That could backfire on companies due to fear from other agencies outside of CA. Plus money talks and being the company that a department outfits their entire department with, means money loss. Not just from the firearms sales. There's parts and repair work as well as additional future firearm purchases due to shootings. I don't think any company would want to be the bad guy to law enforcement agencies.

 

[Bandit31]

Im not sure exactly what you're disagreeing with. If you can, I'd like to know how things would change if all gun and ammo companies stop selling to CA. You really think the CA government cares about that? You think they would change the rules and allow guns back in CA? These laws are meant to reduce the number of guns in the state. If they all stopped selling in Cali, slime ball Gov. Newsome would throw a parade. He'd probably open the state back up too during this pandemic.

Not trying to be rude in anyway. Im just curious how not selling to CA could fix the problem.

Cali will always have law enforcement exemption. If they didn't then these laws would obviously affect how law enforcement would be able to do their jobs correctly. Politicians aren't stupid. They don't want law abiding citizens to have these guns, but the people that are paid to protect them need all the firepower possible to do it.

It's not uncommon for the LEO unions to support bs gun laws and carve out exemptions for LEO's. If manufactures stopped sales or repairs to departments in the state, it sends a clear message of where support lies for them. When more and more LEO's refuse to work because of the conditions that were created, the state gov. will care, because they feel with union backing their laws are warranted and will be enforced by departments throughout the state.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

I think you are missing my point. Manufactures need to stop selling to POLICE, until rights are restored to citizens. Once police can't buy guns or ammo, things will change

If only all manufacturers would get on board at the same time. It only takes one hold out to see dollar signs and take the entire market.

Gavin would just start buying from the China.

 

[koobs84]

Even if manufactures stopped selling to LEO's in Cali, there's still loopholes for a department to get the guns. This would create a grey market in essence.

You can't tell me some gun shop in Nevada won't contact LEO's in Cali guaranteeing them an entire department supply of firearms, at a premium price.
Or better yet, other outside agencies doing 'straw purchases' and simply 'donating' them to Cali LEOs to help their brothers.

But who knows, maybe there's some weird federal law code that prevents firearm companies from refusing to supply LEOs

 

[Shooter McGavin]

I remember when I lived there Governor Schwarzenegger sign the micro stamping into law. However, the company that was pushing micro stamping never improved on it so the law was on hold basically until they could fix it. The firing pins would hit the primmer more than once making it impossible to read the micro stamped number on the primmer. Glad I don't live there anymore.

 

[10ring'r]

Sounds like a quick swipe of a file on the firing pin solves that problem pretty quick

Dremel's are a fantastic little tool also. Mac

 

[Jgunner]

Precisely the goal.
Always.

To put it into simpler terms: make it more expensive to the end user so it ends up costing too much to shoot, train or anything of the sort. It’s basically an ammo tax. It would do ZERO to protect citizens or bring criminals to justice. It’s just more fleecing of the 2a and public.

 

[norcalAF]

If only all manufacturers would get on board at the same time. It only takes one hold out to see dollar signs and take the entire market.

Gavin would just start buying from the China.

Most firearms companies are international firms, they are worried about their bottom line, not local politics in one market. Barret is an american company and makes great products that are very popular globally, the owner can make statements with how he conducts business in the states, but he is the exception not the rule.

 

[Foul Mike]

1984 ??? Fight back as best you can.