just curious if anyone had any expierence with one of the barrel mount bipod, preferably on a mosin nagant, but i don't think it would make a difference which rifle it would be on, should have similiar effect. so any thoughts good or bad would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance
mosin nagant barrel mount bipod
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Re: mosin nagant barrel mount bipod
Barrel mounted bipods ruin the accuracy of a rifle. Why don't just get a stud-mounted Harris type? You could easily float the barrel and You're just good to go (and do this on a spare stock). Just my opinion. Regards, DESOLA.-
Barrel mounted bipods ruin the accuracy of a rifle. Why don't just get a stud-mounted Harris type? You could easily float the barrel and You're just good to go (and do this on a spare stock). Just my opinion. Regards, DESOLA.-
Re: mosin nagant barrel mount bipod
There are other options that wouldn't need you to cut/chop or otherwise bugger about with your rifle.....
Hide member platypus makes a range of tripods from small to large. Not a great pic...but here's one of his small ones with my Mauser:
The benefit of this solution is no loss of accuracy as it's not contactuing the barrel, it is light and portable so you can carry it easily in the field, and it can handle a lot of different rifles as it has different cradle widths - I use mine not only with my older milsurps but everything up to and including mu fully loaded AI AW that weighs in at around 20lb
platypus' website is : http://www.precisionriflesolutions.com/
Or shoot off a front bag or pack?
Or knock up an expedient tripod with three sticks and paracord
And as a long shot (excuse the pun), a few years ago there was a bloke in the US that made bipod adaptors for Mauser rifles that fitted on the bayonet lug....maybe there is something similar for Moisins?
There are other options that wouldn't need you to cut/chop or otherwise bugger about with your rifle.....
Hide member platypus makes a range of tripods from small to large. Not a great pic...but here's one of his small ones with my Mauser:
The benefit of this solution is no loss of accuracy as it's not contactuing the barrel, it is light and portable so you can carry it easily in the field, and it can handle a lot of different rifles as it has different cradle widths - I use mine not only with my older milsurps but everything up to and including mu fully loaded AI AW that weighs in at around 20lb
platypus' website is : http://www.precisionriflesolutions.com/
Or shoot off a front bag or pack?
Or knock up an expedient tripod with three sticks and paracord
And as a long shot (excuse the pun), a few years ago there was a bloke in the US that made bipod adaptors for Mauser rifles that fitted on the bayonet lug....maybe there is something similar for Moisins?
Re: mosin nagant barrel mount bipod
M91/30s are one of the most pressure sensitive guns there are. They usually hate to be completely free floated, but prefer some tension at certain points. Too much tension and it's even worse. You can take a sub-MOA sniper and, only by resting it on a bag, just in front of the belly (area with the finger grooves), make the groups open up to 3-4 inches. You always want to rest it under the belly area. Never further forward.
John
M91/30s are one of the most pressure sensitive guns there are. They usually hate to be completely free floated, but prefer some tension at certain points. Too much tension and it's even worse. You can take a sub-MOA sniper and, only by resting it on a bag, just in front of the belly (area with the finger grooves), make the groups open up to 3-4 inches. You always want to rest it under the belly area. Never further forward.
John
Re: mosin nagant barrel mount bipod
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Joop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">M91/30s are one of the most pressure sensitive guns there are. They usually hate to be completely free floated, but prefer some tension at certain points. Too much tension and it's even worse. You can take a sub-MOA sniper and, only by resting it on a bag, just in front of the belly (area with the finger grooves), make the groups open up to 3-4 inches. You always want to rest it under the belly area. Never further forward.
John </div></div>
How true I had a 2 moa mosin that turned into a 4-5 moa mosin after free floating the barrel. I then bedded the barrel in one 3" spot with electrical tape by the second barrel band and now have my mosin shooting 1-1.5 moa. oh yeah the barrel mount bipod will flex your mosin barrel too much, just use a uncle mikes 2020-0 wood screw and attatch a harris bipod
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Joop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">M91/30s are one of the most pressure sensitive guns there are. They usually hate to be completely free floated, but prefer some tension at certain points. Too much tension and it's even worse. You can take a sub-MOA sniper and, only by resting it on a bag, just in front of the belly (area with the finger grooves), make the groups open up to 3-4 inches. You always want to rest it under the belly area. Never further forward.
John </div></div>
How true I had a 2 moa mosin that turned into a 4-5 moa mosin after free floating the barrel. I then bedded the barrel in one 3" spot with electrical tape by the second barrel band and now have my mosin shooting 1-1.5 moa. oh yeah the barrel mount bipod will flex your mosin barrel too much, just use a uncle mikes 2020-0 wood screw and attatch a harris bipod
Re: mosin nagant barrel mount bipod
if i use the wood screw and attach the bipod is that going to damage it permantly? i ask becuase i am still on the fence of doing a full restore, or a sporter? I know i defianlty want to do a restore on a sniper model, but that is out of my budget right now.
ok this might sound really silly, but i use it for other things, but how would industrial strength velcro work, out it on the end of the stock and then then the bipod, then when i don't want it, it comes right off, and i can peel the velcro off the stock and with some cleaning no evidence it was ever there
if i use the wood screw and attach the bipod is that going to damage it permantly? i ask becuase i am still on the fence of doing a full restore, or a sporter? I know i defianlty want to do a restore on a sniper model, but that is out of my budget right now.
ok this might sound really silly, but i use it for other things, but how would industrial strength velcro work, out it on the end of the stock and then then the bipod, then when i don't want it, it comes right off, and i can peel the velcro off the stock and with some cleaning no evidence it was ever there
Re: mosin nagant barrel mount bipod
Here's a good video on the bipod install. My parts are in the mail, I'm doing what this guy did.
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Here's a good video on the bipod install. My parts are in the mail, I'm doing what this guy did.
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Re: mosin nagant barrel mount bipod
Forget about a bipod on a barrel...never a good idea.
Far as free-floating the barrel on a Mosin being a bad idea, I never "got" that argument. Free-floated both of mine (one a sporter) and shrinked the groups dramatically.
As a point of fact, the Fin M28/76 Target Rifle, is designed around a M28/30- with a fully free-floated barrel...so I don't get that argument.
However, every rifle is different...
Forget about a bipod on a barrel...never a good idea.
Far as free-floating the barrel on a Mosin being a bad idea, I never "got" that argument. Free-floated both of mine (one a sporter) and shrinked the groups dramatically.
As a point of fact, the Fin M28/76 Target Rifle, is designed around a M28/30- with a fully free-floated barrel...so I don't get that argument.
However, every rifle is different...
Re: mosin nagant barrel mount bipod
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wannashootit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Forget about a bipod on a barrel...never a good idea.
Far as free-floating the barrel on a Mosin being a bad idea, I never "got" that argument. Free-floated both of mine (one a sporter) and shrinked the groups dramatically.
As a point of fact, the Fin M28/76 Target Rifle, is designed around a M28/30- with a fully free-floated barrel...so I don't get that argument.
However, every rifle is different... </div></div>
Most likely due to the stock not being perfectly strait at the muzzle end. due to warpage I and most 91/30 owners are unable to "completely" free float the barrel due to this problem. If the stock were cut about 2-3" back I would be able to completely free float the barrel.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wannashootit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Forget about a bipod on a barrel...never a good idea.
Far as free-floating the barrel on a Mosin being a bad idea, I never "got" that argument. Free-floated both of mine (one a sporter) and shrinked the groups dramatically.
As a point of fact, the Fin M28/76 Target Rifle, is designed around a M28/30- with a fully free-floated barrel...so I don't get that argument.
However, every rifle is different... </div></div>
Most likely due to the stock not being perfectly strait at the muzzle end. due to warpage I and most 91/30 owners are unable to "completely" free float the barrel due to this problem. If the stock were cut about 2-3" back I would be able to completely free float the barrel.
Re: mosin nagant barrel mount bipod
i don't think i am even going to mess with the bipod, i went into academy on the way to the range today, and they had a sandbag rest, on sale from $24.99 to $14.99 so i picked it up, and i think it worked great, i put it under where the finger spots would be and overall i think it worked fairly well
i don't think i am even going to mess with the bipod, i went into academy on the way to the range today, and they had a sandbag rest, on sale from $24.99 to $14.99 so i picked it up, and i think it worked great, i put it under where the finger spots would be and overall i think it worked fairly well
Re: mosin nagant barrel mount bipod
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: murtaughf3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i don't think i am even going to mess with the bipod, i went into academy on the way to the range today, and they had a sandbag rest, on sale from $24.99 to $14.99 so i picked it up, and i think it worked great, i put it under where the finger spots would be and overall i think it worked fairly well </div></div>
Thats exactly what I've been doing, but I hike around a lot and want to be able to take the Mosin and setup where ever I want. Other than that my sand bag is just a couple grocery bags filled with sand.
It would be nice to have a real sand bag though.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: murtaughf3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i don't think i am even going to mess with the bipod, i went into academy on the way to the range today, and they had a sandbag rest, on sale from $24.99 to $14.99 so i picked it up, and i think it worked great, i put it under where the finger spots would be and overall i think it worked fairly well </div></div>
Thats exactly what I've been doing, but I hike around a lot and want to be able to take the Mosin and setup where ever I want. Other than that my sand bag is just a couple grocery bags filled with sand.
Re: mosin nagant barrel mount bipod
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wannashootit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Forget about a bipod on a barrel...never a good idea.
Far as free-floating the barrel on a Mosin being a bad idea, I never "got" that argument. Free-floated both of mine (one a sporter) and shrinked the groups dramatically.
As a point of fact, the Fin M28/76 Target Rifle, is designed around a M28/30- with a fully free-floated barrel...so I don't get that argument.
However, every rifle is different... </div></div>
The 91/30, 28/30 and 28/76 certainly are completely different animals from each other. The longer, thinner barrel of the 91/30 is a whipping harmonics nightmare. There is a reason that Soviet snipers wrapped their barrels at the front band and also, not by coincidence, that this is almost exactly the same length that the carbine barrels were cut to.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: "Grizzdude"</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most likely due to the stock not being perfectly strait at the muzzle end. due to warpage I and most 91/30 owners are unable to "completely" free float the barrel due to this problem. If the stock were cut about 2-3" back I would be able to completely free float the barrel.</div></div>
It's true that many of the stocks that come on these guns are warped, but the later refurb stocks can be some of the best ones around. I've been through thousands upon thousands of rounds testing all this stuff, with every combination of floating, shimming, wrapping, corking, etc. that you can think of. I have NEVER seen a 91/30 that will shoot better groups when it was completely free floated (and, yes, I know how to free-float a barrel) than it would when it had the right amount of pressure applied at the the right spot. When you get a thicker/shorter barrel, that can change, but even the M39 was designed with tensioning the barrel in mind.
John
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wannashootit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Forget about a bipod on a barrel...never a good idea.
Far as free-floating the barrel on a Mosin being a bad idea, I never "got" that argument. Free-floated both of mine (one a sporter) and shrinked the groups dramatically.
As a point of fact, the Fin M28/76 Target Rifle, is designed around a M28/30- with a fully free-floated barrel...so I don't get that argument.
However, every rifle is different... </div></div>
The 91/30, 28/30 and 28/76 certainly are completely different animals from each other. The longer, thinner barrel of the 91/30 is a whipping harmonics nightmare. There is a reason that Soviet snipers wrapped their barrels at the front band and also, not by coincidence, that this is almost exactly the same length that the carbine barrels were cut to.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: "Grizzdude"</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most likely due to the stock not being perfectly strait at the muzzle end. due to warpage I and most 91/30 owners are unable to "completely" free float the barrel due to this problem. If the stock were cut about 2-3" back I would be able to completely free float the barrel.</div></div>
It's true that many of the stocks that come on these guns are warped, but the later refurb stocks can be some of the best ones around. I've been through thousands upon thousands of rounds testing all this stuff, with every combination of floating, shimming, wrapping, corking, etc. that you can think of. I have NEVER seen a 91/30 that will shoot better groups when it was completely free floated (and, yes, I know how to free-float a barrel) than it would when it had the right amount of pressure applied at the the right spot. When you get a thicker/shorter barrel, that can change, but even the M39 was designed with tensioning the barrel in mind.
John
Re: mosin nagant barrel mount bipod
No expert on Mosins, here...
The Fin M28/30 has a 27" barrel, the Russian 91/30 is 28-1/2".
So in itself, I would not expect 1-1/2" of barrel length to be a large issue. I do definitely agree that the 91/30 countour is on the thin side; mine shot well- but even better since shortening to 22" and doing a target crown.
I've never owned a 28/30- is it a heavier contour barrel than the 91/30?...or same countour, just a tad shorter?
No expert on Mosins, here...
The Fin M28/30 has a 27" barrel, the Russian 91/30 is 28-1/2".
So in itself, I would not expect 1-1/2" of barrel length to be a large issue. I do definitely agree that the 91/30 countour is on the thin side; mine shot well- but even better since shortening to 22" and doing a target crown.
I've never owned a 28/30- is it a heavier contour barrel than the 91/30?...or same countour, just a tad shorter?
Re: mosin nagant barrel mount bipod
Interesting discussion. I have two M28/76's and of course those have the same 27" barrel the 28/30 does, full floating.(or very close possible some very slight modes to the receiver or etc. not 100% sure would have to go back and read up again)
They used them for marksman, comp shooting, sniper training, etc before the Tkiv 85 came about.
Now I noticed the Tkiv 85 mounts the bipod as far forward as possible, and I place my bipod the same in the underside anschutz rail.
Anyone know for sure if its better to move it back further on a M28/76?
I could try several and see the results/outcomes probably
Interesting discussion. I have two M28/76's and of course those have the same 27" barrel the 28/30 does, full floating.(or very close possible some very slight modes to the receiver or etc. not 100% sure would have to go back and read up again)
They used them for marksman, comp shooting, sniper training, etc before the Tkiv 85 came about.
Now I noticed the Tkiv 85 mounts the bipod as far forward as possible, and I place my bipod the same in the underside anschutz rail.
Anyone know for sure if its better to move it back further on a M28/76?
I could try several and see the results/outcomes probably
Re: mosin nagant barrel mount bipod
Since the 28/76 has a fully floated barre, bipod location wouldn't matter.
Since the 28/76 has a fully floated barre, bipod location wouldn't matter.
Re: mosin nagant barrel mount bipod
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wannashootit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Since the 28/76 has a fully floated barre, bipod location wouldn't matter.
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Thanks
So long as its not mounted on the barrel.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wannashootit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Since the 28/76 has a fully floated barre, bipod location wouldn't matter.
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Thanks
So long as its not mounted on the barrel.
Re: mosin nagant barrel mount bipod
I've found most of my mosins work best with a small bit of upwards pressure at the very tip of the stock. Have one with the PU Scope that I shimmed to get better free float out of. Opened up to a grouping the size of the NRA Black rings at 100 yards. Took the shims out and added them one by one back in until I was getting groups the size of the 9 ring. Took a dollar and slid it down the barrel, no catches until the very tip. 3 others with iron sights I did the same thing with. All responded well with just a bit of pressure from the tip of the stock upwards.
And then the one oddball who refuses to shoot minute of shotgun without the bayonet attached.
I've found most of my mosins work best with a small bit of upwards pressure at the very tip of the stock. Have one with the PU Scope that I shimmed to get better free float out of. Opened up to a grouping the size of the NRA Black rings at 100 yards. Took the shims out and added them one by one back in until I was getting groups the size of the 9 ring. Took a dollar and slid it down the barrel, no catches until the very tip. 3 others with iron sights I did the same thing with. All responded well with just a bit of pressure from the tip of the stock upwards.
And then the one oddball who refuses to shoot minute of shotgun without the bayonet attached.
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