Most versitile .22lr Anschutz possibly Win 52?

[Anchor Zero Six]

Well I have the rimfire bug in a bad way. Have a CZ 455 thats quickly turning into a money pit and I'm trying to decide if I should continue or sell it and get an Anschutz or possibly a Win 52.

I would like the most versitile rifle possiblt. By versitile what I mean is I want an accurate fun plinker but I also want it to be easily set up for various types of smallbore comps so I want it to be able to accept iron sights and optics without additional gunsmithing. Repeater is a must so 40X is out of my budget (if one could even be found.

I dont know anything about Anschutz other than they have an AI like cult following. Creedmore has the Anschutz 1416 D HB Beavertail Sporter Rifle for 799.00 which seems like a good price but I cant find any info on if its already set up for a front sight or not. The other option is the 64 MP R Sporter Rifle which has all the bells and whistles I think I could want. How do these two compare?

Another option I have been considering is a Winchester 52. I have an unexplainable attraction to the look and feel of the older target rifles esp when paired with a 10X Unertl

Problem with the 52 is buying one sight unseen off of gunbroker etc and not knowing the the condition of the barrel as all of these things are as old or older than me so it seems like a crap shoot for a person such as myself not well versed in these rifles.

Thoughts?

 

[nobbie333actual]

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why is your cz a money pit

 

[ryanjay11]

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It sounds like the 64MPR is exactly what you want. It has grooves for the sights to attach and an Anschutz rail under the forend to attach a handstop or bipod.

 

[Anchor Zero Six]

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LOL lets see probably because I cant stop tinkering with it

DIP rail, Magazine well, Trigerguard 200.00
Timney trigger 100.00
Spare mags, Single shot adapter, cheek pad, 1.5" sling swivels, sling etc 130.00
.17 hmr barrel 120.00
Smithing to cut thread and recrown barrel 60.00
Thread protctor 20.00

If I keep it there will be a Lilja barrel 375.00 and cost to have FSB installed 60.00 as well as I would like to replace the stock with a McMillan 480.00 (with Anschutz rail). Cost of the barrel and stock would be more than the 1416 so I'm thinking it may be time to switch gears.

As for the 64 I agree but I wanted to know what if anything it offers over the 1416

 

[Mo_Zam_Beek]

Re: Most versitile .22lr Anschutz possibly Win 52?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ryanjay11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It sounds like the 64MPR is exactly what you want. It has grooves for the sights to attach and an Anschutz rail under the forend to attach a handstop or bipod. </div></div>

Can you attach a sling to it or do you need to drill it and add hardware?


Good luck

 

[Speeddog]

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I went through this exercise about 6 months ago. I wanted a .22 "trainer" that would be a reasonable analogue for the center fire bolt guns I use for LR. I had competed with an Anschutz free rifle for many yrs in the '60s and so turned to their offerings now. The 64MPR comes with one of their competition action/barrels and triggers but in a sporter type stock. The receiver and muzzle end are slotted so one can mount Anschutz target sights or an Anschutz mounting rail that accepts Leupold style rings. Hand stop, palm rest-sling mount combos are available for the lower T rail so one sling up easily. There are also rail adapters that allow Harris, GG&G and Atlas bipods to mount up without any trouble

I set up my 64 with an Atlas bipod, a Leupold 6.5-20 x40mm EFR AO that can focus from 50ft (indoor practice) to LR. I've now put a bunch of rounds through this shooting supported and unsupported. I love this setup; in fact, and as so many others have stated on this site, this is a great way to get trigger time without the costs of center fire ammo. The rifle is as accurate as Anschutz' full bore target guns (which are not repeaters) and handles very much like the tactical guns we shoot (though is MUCH lighter, so of course different). With Lapua match ammo it'll shoot one hole groups at 50-100yards if I do my part. The rifle is so predictable that it will also make me look really bad if I get sloppy with the fundamentals.

A couple of caveats: the stock is wood, nicely finished but not nearly to the quality one might have expected for the gun's cost. The bolt is unexpectedly rough and a little balky at first. It gets better with use but is not what I remember from my free rifle days. I may consider having it blueprinted and polished: we'll see. Finally, extraction is a little weak and the shells don't eject forcefully no matter how smartly one runs the bolt. This has been noted on other sites and seems to just go with the territory. It IS annoying but not fatal.

Overall I really like shooting this rifle and take it out pretty much every time I shoot these days.

Sorry about the long winded reply. Hopes this helps

 

[Anchor Zero Six]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speeddog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry about the long winded reply. Hopes this helps </div></div>

No need to appologize that was a very helpful post thank you!

Just to be clear I have zero complaints with the CZ 455 its a very fine rifle and thus far having only used midlevel quality ammo its been a tack driver. I'm just not sure it will cover all bases of what I may want to do with it in regards to versatility as compared to some other rifles.

 

[Mo_Zam_Beek]

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Am I correct that the comb on the 1416D HB is not the same height as the 64 MPR?

Also is it possible to get a 64 Biathlon stock as a stand alone? Anyone have a part number or an idea on cost?

Is it safe to assume that if the Biathlon stock cost were reasonable, the 1416D HB would bolt up with no problems?




TIA

 

[Anchor Zero Six]

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The 64 an 1416 MPR models (on Creedmors websight) appear to be the same stock. The 1416 D HB Beavertail Sporter Rifle for 799.00 has a lower comb height.

 

[MuleyTime]

Re: Most versitile .22lr Anschutz possibly Win 52?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speeddog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A couple of caveats: the stock is wood, nicely finished but not nearly to the quality one might have expected for the gun's cost. The bolt is unexpectedly rough and a little balky at first. It gets better with use but is not what I remember from my free rifle days. I may consider having it blueprinted and polished: we'll see. Finally, extraction is a little weak and the shells don't eject forcefully no matter how smartly one runs the bolt. This has been noted on other sites and seems to just go with the territory. It IS annoying but not fatal.
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I am also in this dilema right now. I am sold on Aschutz, but never owned one or even shot one. In the quote above, the smoothness on the action may be the difference between the Model 64 and Model 54 action. From all my research, the model 54 is the bread an butter for Anschutz and is supposed to have a "night and day difference" in feel over the 64 action. But it will cost you $500+ additional to play.

I have been going back and forth between the MPR and the 1710 HB (right now leaning toward the 1710 HB). I sure wish they offered a 54 MPR cuz I love the looks of that configuration!!

 

[Speeddog]

Re: Most versitile .22lr Anschutz possibly Win 52?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MuleyTime</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speeddog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A couple of caveats: the stock is wood, nicely finished but not nearly to the quality one might have expected for the gun's cost. The bolt is unexpectedly rough and a little balky at first. It gets better with use but is not what I remember from my free rifle days. I may consider having it blueprinted and polished: we'll see. Finally, extraction is a little weak and the shells don't eject forcefully no matter how smartly one runs the bolt. This has been noted on other sites and seems to just go with the territory. It IS annoying but not fatal.





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"I am also in this dilema right now. I am sold on Aschutz, but never owned one or even shot one. In the quote above, the smoothness on the action may be the difference between the Model 64 and Model 54 action. From all my research, the model 54 is the bread an butter for Anschutz and is supposed to have a "night and day difference" in feel over the 64 action. But it will cost you $500+ additional to play.

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Unfortunately the 54 action isn't available in the configuration we're discussing. I'd gladly pay for the better action/trigger group if available.

I don't want to overstate my complaint. The rifle really is a pleasure to shoot and does make a nice trainer. I am not going to compete in 3 position small bore ever again so don't need the race gun setup.

I have been going back and forth between the MPR and the 1710 HB (right now leaning toward the 1710 HB). I sure wish they offered a 54 MPR cuz I love the looks of that configuration!! </div></div>

 

[HPLLC]

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my vote is for Anschutz. Though I did see one Win 52 in a book once that was pretty bad ass looking.

The 52 though was the exception not the norm.

 

[tansinator]

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Anshutz MSR. I can't see anything better. If you can find a MS, Mac Tilton can make it a repeater.

 

[MuleyTime]

Re: Most versitile .22lr Anschutz possibly Win 52?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tansinator</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anshutz MSR. I can't see anything better. If you can find a MS, Mac Tilton can make it a repeater. </div></div>

mmmmmm.......YUMMY!

Where could a guy pick up one of those?

 

[armorpl8chikn]

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Anshutz MPR. I can arrange for you a look at some data for the past 2 years, where these rifles have for all intents and purposes dominated a very tough match we have in Conover NC. The 22 TSC, as it is called has seen an intense move toward the 64 MPR. They make a very fine training rifle. My one indigestion complaint is the wood stock but it is by no means a deal breaker. Once you shoot one you will be sold. Don't expect to feed it CCI SV and bulk box fodder with shining results. You can't expect performance from a Formula 1 racer if you fill it up at the Gas-nGo.

 

[tansinator]

Re: Most versitile .22lr Anschutz possibly Win 52?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MuleyTime</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tansinator</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anshutz MSR. I can't see anything better. If you can find a MS, Mac Tilton can make it a repeater. </div></div>

mmmmmm.......YUMMY!

Where could a guy pick up one of those?</div></div>

They are around! Just keep your eyes and ears open. And check rimfire central often. That is where I found mine.

 

[Anchor Zero Six]

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Well at least for now or untill I get bored I'm going to stock with the 455. Just ordered a Lilja .90" SS barrel for the CZ if for whatever reason I decide I dont like it I'll go for the Annie next.

 

[simpletoms]

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Don't rule out the sako quad. They still can be found for $650 (synthetic stock and one barrel) and can be real shooters. Mine consistently shoots 1 MOA and I've shot several 3/4" groups at 100 yards and a few 1/2". All with S&K.

 

[selfbowhunter]

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i have an anschutz 64 match and think the CZ is a better receiver. with the lilja barrel, you should be close to what you could expect from a 54 match and have a repeater to boot. really hard to beat the cz.

chuck

 

[MuleyTime]

Re: Most versitile .22lr Anschutz possibly Win 52?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: selfbowhunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i have an anschutz 64 match and think the CZ is a better receiver. with the lilja barrel, you should be close to what you could expect from a 54 match and have a repeater to boot. really hard to beat the cz.

chuck </div></div>

Yeah....I haven't completely ruled out the CZ 455 Varmint Precision Trainer.......
I am still leaning toward the Annie 1710 HB, though.

So it really comes down to Anschutz 64 MPR, 1710 HB and a slight possibility for the CZ, but I have "hard-lined" it there and everything else is ruled out.

 

[tansinator]

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http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/vbclassified.php?do=ad&id=46056

Found you one!

Eddie

 

[nobbie333actual]

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hopefully I can see if the CZ is a money pit I am getting ready to replace the barrel

 

[Anchor Zero Six]

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Oh trust me it is

Just installed Pillars and the .90 Lilja this weekend.

I was worried the .90 barrel would be overkill (too front heavy) but it actually balances very well, no regrets there.

 

[darkstar]

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AZS,
I hear you. I am into Win 52's and older glass. You cannot go wrong with ownership of a later Win 52! They are all that and a bag of chips.
There are many nice rf's out there, but the fit, form and function of a 52 is all understood once you own and shoot it regular.

If you need some help in how to buy one, drop me a pm and I will help you.

Regards,
DS

 

[Anchor Zero Six]

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May need to take you up on that I appreciate it.

Any thoughts on the Win 75 target model? There is one for sale local in 90%+ condition with sights(Redfield Oly's) for 400.00

Current thought process is sell off the CZ with scope and still need to go out of pocket to get a 52 and Unertl. Other option is keep the CZ since its a tack driver and get a more mid range target rifle such as the 75 or maybe an 82G. Will probably end up costing about the same in the long run but I'll have two rifles vice one and whenever possible I like to stuff the safe.

My end goal is to shoot iron sight position matches as my local club/range has an active indoor league that shoots mostly in the evenings which is one of the few things I can get involved in with my F-ed up schedule.

 

[darkstar]

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I normally encounter 2 types of 52 owners. Ones that apperciate the accuracy, collectability and appreciation in investment that drives the rational to own 52's, provided they are left stock. Im in that group. Or, Hybrids built off the actions and sometimes the trigger groups, which are beautiful pieces of hand machine work. Lots of grey area too, but thats the prominent types of owners.

I here ya on the irons, I have a 52C dedicated to irons.

75's are nice, but they are not at the level of a 52C or D and the price starts to get much higher for the later 52's. The one advantage of a 75 is being lighter and they are a repeater if that matters to you. The lighter weight may be of interest if your goal is 3 position shooting and owning a Winchester too.
400 for a 90% 75 is a smoking deal. If it has the sights included, it as good a deal as you will find IMO. If not, its still a very good deal. Add a trigger job and you may have something nice going on there.

 

[Anchor Zero Six]

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Thank you I really needed that info. I'm going to call the seller and set up a meeting to see it in person. Do you happen to know if the 75 barrel is drilled and tapped for sight blocks?

This is the CZ 455 with Lilja barrel at 100yds from prone off a bipod shooting 5,10 and 20 round groups...needless to say I'm a bit reluctant to part with it.

Have about 1500 invested including all upgrades and glass and expect I could get 1K for it. That leaves me out of pocket 200-500 for a 52 based on the good condition ones I have seen and another 300-800 for optic depending on if I go mid level or decide to pay for the Unertl name.

So you can see that the 75 holds alot of appeal for me considering the price point.

 

[SDWhirlwind]

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Yes the 75's are drilled and tapped for sight blocks. The very late ones even have grooved receivers which is what I would like to find. As mentioned $400 without sights is a steal if 90% and sights are graaavvvvvvvyyyyyyyyy.

 

[darkstar]

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+1 on the mounts. Yes it is drilled for Unertl style mounts on the barrel, but the receiver is not drilled and tapped. There is a grooved receiver type too, but it is more rare.

If it is the price point issue and primarily about iron sights, get the 75 and a shooting jacket and off to the range with you

Hell, you done even NEED the jacket to get started in 3 position, but it is part of the bigger picture tho.

As long as you keep the 75 in the condition you are stating it is in you can get started and prob make a few bucks down the line selling it.

Ultimately, 3 position gets into accessory hell if you really start competing. Slings, gloves, jacket, knee pads, dorky shoes, knee rolls, sun bills, blinders, shooting mat, spotting scope with stand, equipment bag to drag all this )*&^*&^&^ stuff around in......Dont forget the sweat shirts under the jacket in August competitions :-(

 

[darkstar]

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BTW AZS, not to hijack the thread with other comments, but with the Unertls, you are not "paying" for the name, they are world class optics, but in a vintage platform!
DS

 

[AnschutzNerd]

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64 MPR!

As accurate as you are. Just fix the ejection and you are good to go.

Do not shoot a 54-series first or you will want that.

AnschutzNerd

 

[Anchor Zero Six]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Darkstar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Ultimately, 3 position gets into accessory hell if you really start competing. Slings, gloves, jacket, knee pads, dorky shoes, knee rolls, sun bills, blinders, shooting mat, spotting scope with stand, equipment bag to drag all this )*&^*&^&^ stuff around in......Dont forget the sweat shirts under the jacket in August competitions :-(
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Lucky me I already have just about everything you listed from my short foray into High Power. I hope that since it's indoors and in the evenings during the week I can get a bit further involved with rimfire matches, least that's the plan.

 

[shooterone]

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I have the first model 52 from ~1929 and when I bought it I knew nothing about this rifle. I just purchased it because it had a great feel and a thicker barrel. Didn't think too much of the old straight tube weaver scope. It was not until I put bulk federal target ammo from Wally world through it that I realized how special this gun is. Shoot a hole at 50 yards and then start putting the following bullets in that hole. It feels like a cheater rifle. Mine was in kind of rough shape when I got it. Had to be re blued. I can only imagine how well the later addition rifles do. +1 on the Winchester.

 

[wcb6092]

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The Anschutz has basically 3 types of action a 64. a 54. and a 2013. Having been involved with benchrest shooting,people in that community stay away from a 64 action. It is not as accurate as the other 2.

 

[11B-B4]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wcb6092</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Anschutz has basically 3 types of action a 64. a 54. and a 2013. Having been involved with benchrest shooting,people in that community stay away from a 64 action. It is not as accurate as the other 2. </div></div>

interesting. never knew that. I had a 54 and it was amazing.

I was contemplating a 64MPR but maybe I should read a little more on the subject. I'm also trying to get into Biathalon this winter and would like a rifle that I can use with that. Im starting it as a hobby not a dedicated competitor... yet.

 

[Mike Sobr]

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If you get a 52 get a Model "D" if possible. It has the micro-motion trigger that is especially sweet if your into benchrest shooting. And the Anschutz 54's with the 5018 are especially nice and good shooting and they have the best factory trigger ever made (next to a Suhl).
Either can be had used for under $1000. usually in minty condition and a nice one tends to hold it's value and increase over time as just a new Anschytz barrelled action is pushing $2000.
The extreme accuracy edge usually goes to the 54 Annie but a good 52 isn't far behind.

 

[Anchor Zero Six]

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The D is what I'm after, still trying to contact seller of the 75.

 

[No_style]

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Did you get your new rifle yet, what did you end up going for?

I'm in the same boat, though starting lower down in every respect (upgrading from a Savage MKII TR and living down under).

I'm looking really hard at Anschutz on the 64/54 action and the CZ's on the 455 action.

Annies:
64 MP R Multi Purpose
1710 D HB
1712 Silhouette Sporter
On the maybe list is the the 1416 D HB Beavertail, but I would opt for the MP R before this. Now if they would damn well get on with it and make a 54 MP R I would be all over it like a fat kid on a cup cake!

On the CZ front, the Thumbhole Varmint and the Precision Trainer (when it finally lands here) are the competitors. I save between $400 and $1000 by going a CZ over the Annie's, depending on the particular models.

I want to use the rimfire as a training rifle for my centerfire, a bunny buster hunting rifle, and a competitive rifle (though just at the fun level, nothing serious).

Does anyone have experience with the 455 and 64 or 54 actions and want to share some thoughts?

Cheers

 

[thickstrings]

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http://www.10xcustomrifles.com/accessories_actions_rimfire.html It seems,like most of us that you will mess with whatever you get, why not start with one of these and a barrel of your choice.....

 

[xray9]

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Buy a used Anschutz, cannot improve the "Meister Macher", Mt.Guns has changed ownership, now see the rifles.

http://www.chesebrorifles.com/Rimfire-Rifles_c21.htm

xray9

 

[steve123]

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Old thread and too late but I just got a Anschutz MPR a few weeks ago.

The strong points for me are:

Great ergonomic and well balanced stock that fits me.

Very nice 64 action that locks up like a vault and I also like the large swept back bolt knob! Mine ejects pretty well, only a few that ended up back into the action.

Extremely accurate, probably the most accurate 22 rifle I've owned.

1 downside for me:

The trigger is 2 stage. I prefer single stage. The problem I have with this particular trigger is the amount of weight between stages. I have to be careful not to shoot a shot by accident because there isn't much difference in "feel" between them for my liking. I've even adjusted the trigger as high as it will go at 13+oz with more sear engagement than I like. And yes I do have experience with really good 2 stage triggers set at less weight with plenty of feel.

 

[Quarter Horse]

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Anchor Zero Six ended up with a CZ455 that he heavily modified including a Lilja barrel. I don't know how to put a reference to a thread but it's easy enough to find. You should take a look. The rifle's performance at 100yds. was superb.

Of course he then sold the rifle. Talk about OCD. Zero Six, if you see this thread, show us your current project.

 

[Don Briere]

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Owning several 52(AC&D), a 40XB, a Rem 37,3 CZ 452s, a BSA International, and a Anschutz 1411, and still adding, from my stand-point and if I am understanding your requirements--I would look for the Win 52B re-issued rifles made in Japan as a possibility. You can find them in the $900, range, also look for the Anschutz 52 sporters pricey, but a one-time buy. Current one are expensive, but older one are available on GB.

As you have already venturing into the wonderful world of rimfire is a quick way to the poor house.

Brer Rabbit