Rifle Scopes Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

[dtask]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dark Horse</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I really don't understand talking about a $6000 rifle/scope setup and squabbling over the difference of $100 when considering what mount to use. Save up and buy the best tool for the job the first time.

How often to we kick ourselves in the ass for making the wrong choice because it was a little more expensive, only to turn around and buy it down the road when the one we settled on wasn't what we had hoped for? </div></div>

An excellent point and I completely agree. The only thing is that as time passes, better options may become available for the shooting platform or the shooter's needs. A perfect example of this is the Spuhr mount.

 

[Spuhr]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: matt33</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dark Horse</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Matt, I currently have a 25 moa Near base and the Alpha Mount. Using it this past season I experienced no issues whatsoever and would recommend that setup to anyone. Given that, I suffer from a very costly condition called "fixing something that isn't broke". I stumbled across the Spuhr mount and have wanted a rock solid scope to receiver setup eliminating a separate base for the longest time.

Again, nothing wrong with my current setup, just looking at another option.

If you are interested in it, PM me and we can work something out. </div></div>
That's very generous, but I think I'm going to go with the Sako three ring mount. It's one piece and I like the inserts. The Spuhr looks great, but I think it might be too high. I'd love to see some pic's of the Spuhr if you have any. </div></div>

Matt.

Just have to correct you here. Sako mount is not one piece, the base is parted from the rings and its screwed together.
Our mount, and Near mount is one piece.
Machined out of a single billet.

Regardless of that, Sako mount is surely a fine mount.

Håkan

 

[Wild_Bill]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

I would realy consider the Sphur mounts they are truly inovative and Hakan is a great guy to deel with he will turn inside out to make sure you are looked after. one thing nearly everyone is missing in the cost comparison is the Sphur comes with a level included in the cost and it does not take up any more valuable space. the Sphur base also allows for you to add the ACI mount when it is finished and that sould not be to far away and then you can also add backup red dots for when you are shooting long range and a close shot comes up have it zero'd at 50-100 yards and it could bag you a trophy if you are looking at a long range target then a deer breaks cover up close spin the rifle around and cant it and use the red dot.

The Sphur mounts have the most options over any other system and we are the Seekins distributers here in Australia and his rings are awsome but for this purpose the Sphur is in a class of its own i dont like the rings in the Sako rings on heavy recoiling rifles and you can also get diferent tapers on the Sphur rail to get the most out of your scope probably would go with a 40moa unit.

 

[matt33]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

I'd love to see some more pic's of a Sphur mounted on a TRG. Some overview shots zoomed out would really help me get a sense of the overall height of the mount.

 

[Spuhr]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

MAtt
Our mounts for both 30 and 34mm are 35mm/1,38" high.
Orignal Sako 3 ring mounts are 33mm/1,29" for 30mm and 36mm/1,41" for 34mm.

Here is a SB 5-25 mounted on a TRG 22.

Håkan

 

[sakoluvr]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

OK, what is the exact US Dollar cost for the Spuhr mount mailed to the U.S.?

 

[RossinFL]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sakoluvr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK, what is the exact US Dollar cost for the Spuhr mount mailed to the U.S.? </div></div>

I would also like to know this.

 

[Spuhr]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

Hi

The price are in Swedish as the dollar is jumping up and down like a basketball.
2750 Swedish crowns for the mount, 350 swedish crowns for the shipping.
That is totally 450 US as it is today, plus eventually import duties.

A smart thing to do is to order more than one mount at a time, to cut down the shipping expenses.
Or do order it from TNVC, that can ship it to you much more economically.

If anyone is interersted our webshop can be seen at;
http://spuhrwebbshop.noxshop.se/

Håkan

 

[jp67]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

How much is it in Euros?
Thanks

 

[Spuhr]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

As it's cheaper to ship within europe its 320 Euro.+ VAT.

Håkan

 

[sakoluvr]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

OK, how much is he (TNVC) selling them for, does he have them in stock ready to mail?

I found this thread from a group buy, and it looked like someone was waiting months for a paid mount.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1948635&page=4

Thanks.

 

[Spuhr]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

Sako luvr

I belive that TNVE sell them for 395, but better check it up cause i might be wrong.
I belive TNVC have some mounts in stock, but i don't know how many and wich

The negative side about making a true 1 piece mount that not is screwed together like this one is that the number of models gets a lot.
And of some reasons there was a few models that not was finnished to the group buy (picatinny 30mm 6mils/20 moa)
But apart from that I belive that all others have got their mounts.

Håkan

 

[Forrestman]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

NEAR rail and Alphamount are rock solid and an excellent value. Have both the TRG-22 with a NEAR rail and Nightforce rings (relatively light recoil) and the TRG-42 with 45MOA NEAR rail and NEAR Alphamount (heavy recoil), setup on both work well. If you call Richard @ (866) 608-2441, he is an asset worth talking to about your particular setup.

 

[CCCP2k]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

I really like Sphur / Sako 3 ring idea.

Picattiny setup works well on my TRG-42 300 Win Mag (NEAR rail with .8" NF rings, NF ring level bubble + angle indicator) but I am thinking more towards Sphur or SAKO 3 ring for my new TRG-42 .338 LM setup for following reasons:

1. One piece thing, less screws which may go loose.
2. No worries about the rings going back. Usually picattiny rings are made to work on weaver style rails so they usually loose inside rail grooves. I have seen only Barret rings which match perfectly.
3. Much easier to mount.
4. Lower setup and there are all kind of reasons to go lower. My current setup is too high for me (1.8"). I have to use 10 mm spacer and remove cheek piece each time when I want to remove the bolt. And its still a little bit high for my liking. NEAR rail eats around 10 mm. I talked to Richard about it and in his opinion the height of the rail he has is the minimum required for solid mounting system. There is an option of SAKO low profile rail http://www.berettausa.com/products/sako-trg-picatinny-rail-low-profile/ but I could not find dimensions for it and Richard is very skeptical about it questioning its reliability.

The only advantage of picatinny rail I see is an ability to swap scopes in order to save money or in combat. Putting money aside I would rather have a floater scope (Mark IV for a change for my 2 rifles on a one piece base. The idea of detaching a scope on 2 rings from picatinny rail and putting it on another rifle gives me some jitters. But maybe I am a little bit anal here.

My thumbs up to Sphur here. Modern design and loads of options. Bubble level is there saving you few $. The only thing I do not see on the picture is recoil lug which presumable is available on SAKO mount and NEAR has them in abundance. I do not know if it's a big deal but I think Richard has a lot of them in his base for a reason.

Sphur gives base 2 cant options (13 mils is right on the button for S&B PMII 5-25x56 if you want to use all elevation range) but unfortunately the one I am looking for (30-35 MOA) is not there. SAKO is 30 MOA, no options here. Another annoying thing with SAKO is the lack of dimensions in their specs. How do I know if my S&B 5-25x56 will fit into the base? The mounting area on this scope is somehow limited by illumination knob and there is not much of real estate at front.

Just my 2 cents here

 

[bm11]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

Spuhr mount has a moveable recoil/indexing lug.

 

[CCCP2k]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Spuhr mount has a moveable recoil/indexing lug. </div></div>

Meaning there is no difference with SAKO system?

 

[bm11]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CCCP2K</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Spuhr mount has a moveable recoil/indexing lug. </div></div>

Meaning there is no difference with SAKO system? </div></div>Not sure, never used the Sako system, just the last post above mine indicated that the poster wasn't sure if the Spuhr had a recoil lug, and it does.

 

[CCCP2k]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

Sphur, have you ever considered to make a base with cant 30-35 MOA?

 

[beenjammin]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

Id opt for the spuhr. by the time you buy a near rail, bubble level, and near alpha mount, the spuhr is less $$$ Plus you have more attachment points.

trg -> base -> alphamount

trg -> sphur

Just my thoughts. If you TRG comes with a rail, then id go alphamount. They sit lower to the rifle and are very well made.

 

[Spuhr]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

Hi

We make the TRG mount as 7mils/24moa and 13mils/44.4moa
As far as I am aware of that is well covering up mostly needs there is. What scope do you have that needs the 30-35moa?

Our picatinny mounts for those who prefer those comes as 0-6mils/20,6moa, 9mils/31moa,13mils/44.4 moa.
We do currently have a program of over 35 different scopemounts.
I belive that is likely the most comprehensive specialmodels program by any manufacturer.

We can start new models but that is requirng an order of at least 20-30 mounts of the same model.
Easyest if you have a really serious interest into this is to contact Mile High who is our biggest distributor.
But we have honestly never had an interest before for 30-35 moa TRG mounts so it feels like a shelfwarmer......

Best Regards Håkan

 

[CCCP2k]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Spuhr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi

We make the TRG mount as 7mils/24moa and 13mils/44.4moa
As far as I am aware of that is well covering up mostly needs there is. What scope do you have that needs the 30-35moa?

Our picatinny mounts for those who prefer those comes as 0-6mils/20,6moa, 9mils/31moa,13mils/44.4 moa.
We do currently have a program of over 35 different scopemounts.
I belive that is likely the most comprehensive specialmodels program by any manufacturer.

We can start new models but that is requirng an order of at least 20-30 mounts of the same model.
Easyest if you have a really serious interest into this is to contact Mile High who is our biggest distributor.
But we have honestly never had an interest before for 30-35 moa TRG mounts so it feels like a shelfwarmer......

Best Regards Håkan </div></div>

It's understandable. You covered the market well enough as it is right now. It's just my small preference. Not a big deal here. I just thought if the mount can eat 4-5 mils of the elevation range from my S&B PM II 5-25x56 in the bottom (like SAKO 30 MOA) then my 100 zero will be closer to 13 mils (optical center on the scope) and small vignetting effect on the scope that happens on extreme elevation settings will not be noticeable. I understand that the most people would prefer to have more elevation range which 13 mil base provides but frankly I do not see me shooting past supersonic range of .338 LM and 30-35 MOA base would be perfect for this purpose.

On other hand I may change my mind when I get more experience on long ranges and I may take a shot or two at ranges beyond 1600m. Here 13 mil base can become very handy. It will be a waste to shoot .338 LM at 100-300m anyway.

Great video on youtube by the way. I wish all manufactures show their products this way. Take a look at SAKO for example. It is hard to tell if their mount will fit my S&B. It probably will but it would be nice of them to place at least some pictures with most popular scopes mounted on the rifle or give all dimensions of their base.

 

[Mr Joshua]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

+1 for Near or Spuhr.

 

[Spuhr]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

A friend of mine have his 5-25 mounted on 7 mil/24 Moa mount on his TRG 22.
He have 22mils of elevation from his 100 meter zero.
Belive something like that would be good enough for you?

Håkan

 

[CCCP2k]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Spuhr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A friend of mine have his 5-25 mounted on 7 mil/24 Moa mount on his TRG 22.
He have 22mils of elevation from his 100 meter zero.
Belive something like that would be good enough for you?

Håkan </div></div>


Man, this is exactly what I want. How in hell did I get 30-35 MOA? Probably messed up with mil MOA conversion. LOL.

What would be better for me in terms of the deal: order from you directly or contact Canadian dealer (he asks $450 plus 13% tax)?

 

[Spuhr]

Re: Mount for TRG-22: Near Alpha, Sphur, Sako 3 ring?

The S&B 5-25 mil scope is made for beeing canted 13mils/45 moa.
However if you do that you will have a slightly less good picture on short distance like 100-300 meters and also at the far end.
The picture will get oval at shorter distances and at maximum distances, and that is because the scope is adjusted at it's extreme ends.
By using less than maximum tilt will still take you out over 1200 meters and maintaining a perfect picture at shorter ranges.

Håkan