Re: Moving from the Bench to Prone sights are off?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sterling, you're all over the place, you said this earlier:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some here have stated that they can change position without any need to adjust sights. This implies that their body contact with the rifle in all positions is the same, but, that's very unlikely. It's more likely, the relative inexact precision required for a good hit on their target has not revealed the need for an adjustment of the sight. Shooting at something like the MR-31 target will bring recognition of the need to adjust sights with any change of the position, or positions.</div></div>
We just showed that differences in position don't change the sights of the scopes, what happens is shooters are not maintaining the proper eye relief and sight picture when moving from position to position. Aside from talk about cheek weld, and recoil, contact with the rifle and ground, etc...
As RG said, he shot his rifle with the stock folded focusing on the sight picture, and had the same results as I have been saying, that its the relationship to the scope that matters more, (although clearly, trigger errors will cause issue as I demonstrated) its not the recoil, its aiming, how you aim is key.
If you zero your rifle to your bad shooting and then move your position to another bad angle behind the scope, its not the recoil, its aiming, you're putting your sights off the target. Now recoil may help you blow the shot. But you can properly zero the rifle, and then use edge to edge clarity and focus to over come a bad position, the bullet will go where the sights are, providing your zero is right.
If I had a bunch of shadowing in that scope, I easily would have blown the shot, but all but the one were in the 10 ring of the Shoot N C and I clearly changed a bunch of stuff trying to be cavalier. The point is, if the rifle was properly zeroed, doesn't matter I have 20/400 vision in my right eye, or that I used my left eye, or that I moved to a bench, (A bench I couldn't even reach the ground on) it mattered I maintained the sight picture with edge to edge clarity, and I didn't push a bad shot because of my position. I could see if the reticle was drifting, so I didn't shoot until I was on.
Recoil had nothing to do with it, the fact its' a heavy ass AI AW had nothing to do with it, the fact my LOP is not even set up on that rifle had nothing to do with it, my aim through the scope did, as well as my initial zero. It's why we brought up a handgun... same thing.
People zero to trigger slaps, poor eye relief, inconsistent positions, then when they move in any other way, they change this stuff and magnify their errors...
We say it too, the Bullet Doesn't lie, it gives you 100% of the information you need to hit the target. However shooter's do lie, they lie about their trigger, they lie about the body position, they lie about their sight picture, follow through, and breathing... so if you zero the rifle to a lie you're never gonna hit the target unless you tell the same lie all the time, which is hard for many people.
Not doubting your abilities in your discipline, not by any stretch, but its a different animal when you move into this world, clearly. These are ACOG on a M4, these have a whole lot more to them than that.. plus we don't aim down the barrel, we aim down the sights, relationship to the same is key. </div></div>
No, not all over the place-we've already done that, just getting to the heart of the matter. Be consistent and bullets will go where desired.
