Muzzle Brakes Comparision

[ajejebrazorfisky]

Hello,
Anyone tested the MDT COMP BRAKE and the TERMINATOR Brakes?
Which one would be better for a brand new .338LM?

 

[NewsShooter]

Neither of those are in the video but similar designs might give you some idea.

 

[TrevK]

That video was garbage. No way in hell his hand on the gun did not affect readings.

 

[kthomas]

That video was garbage. No way in hell his hand on the gun did not affect readings.

Not a good channel if you want objective reviews.

Great if you want a sales pitch on whatever gear he's received though. It seems like he just reads off of a sales brochure.

 

[TrevK]

Not a good channel if you want objective reviews.

Great if you want a sales pitch on whatever gear he's received though. It seems like he just reads off of a sales brochure.

I’ve noticed that recently. I also saw mention that he is pretty expensive to put your product in front of.

 

[kthomas]

I’ve noticed that recently. I also saw mention that he is pretty expensive to put your product in front of.

I have no idea what his financial agreements are with the companies whom he reviews products for.

But I would not be surprised at all if there was a fiscal incentive to his "reviews", given the clear lack of objectivity.

 

[Jetson]

I have no idea what his financial agreements are with the companies whom he reviews products for.

But I would not be surprised at all if there was a fiscal incentive to his "reviews", given the clear lack of objectivity.

Hello,
Anyone tested the MDT COMP BRAKE and the TERMINATOR Brakes?
Which one would be better for a brand new .338LM?

I just put an MDT Comp Brake on my 6.5 CM MPA chassis. Only shot about 30 rounds from prone only, but it worked amazingly good. The top vents we’re about 3/4 the way open. Next time I take it out I’m going to open them all the way and see if there’s much difference. I’ve used an are 419 and a PVA brake before. Those are both good products and great companies, but there brakes don’t compare in ability to keep the reticle on target during recoil recovery, at least for me. Obviously we all are different, so your perception might be different than mine.

 

[kthomas]

I just put an MDT Comp Brake on my 6.5 CM MPA chassis. Only shot about 30 rounds from prone only, but it worked amazingly good. The top vents we’re about 3/4 the way open. Next time I take it out I’m going to open them all the way and see if there’s much difference. I’ve used an are 419 and a PVA brake before. Those are both good products and great companies, but there brakes don’t compare in ability to keep the reticle on target during recoil recovery, at least for me. Obviously we all are different, so your perception might be different than mine.

I've never tried the MDT brake, I've only heard good things.

My critique of the UR youtube channel has nothing to do with the MDT brake and its effectiveness, its only a critique of how UR conducts their reviews.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Gavin never reviewed a product he doesn't love or isisn't willing to take Money/Gear from.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

This is pretty much all youtube videos with the exception of a very few competent and objective reviewers such as GT.

They don't make videos for fun, they are a business. Bad Reviews don't generate revenue unless you are so big and respected that you get more money from users than companies (again , like GT). Also need to have integrity, which most do not.

I have no idea what his financial agreements are with the companies whom he reviews products for.

But I would not be surprised at all if there was a fiscal incentive to his "reviews", given the clear lack of objectivity.

 

[kthomas]

This is pretty much all youtube videos with the exception of a very few competent and objective reviewers such as GT.

They don't make videos for fun, they are a business. Bad Reviews don't generate revenue unless you are so big and respected that you get more money from users than companies (again , like GT). Also need to have integrity, which most do not.

Probably pretty true.

Best to take any youtube video with a heavy dose of salt.

 

[bohem]

Hello,
Anyone tested the MDT COMP BRAKE and the TERMINATOR Brakes?
Which one would be better for a brand new .338LM?

What settled you on those two?

Something you're likely to experience with that caliber, yet few seem to talk about: concussion back on the shooter. The bigger the magnum, the more people want to put a brake on it. What the brake does with the blast when redirecting it is just as important (if not more so) than the recoil reduction.

Concussion on the shooter is detrimental to our ability to follow through as well as our long term health from shooting braked rifles. Keeping the blast off the shooter was a primary concern of several Olympic shooters that I interviewed while developing the various brakes that I make. They all agreed that they would rather have to shoot without a brake than shoot something that throws blast back on their face. Concussion to the face has long term negative effects to our eyes and ears especially. Short/immediate term (IE follow up shots) have been proven to be less repeatable when the shooter is being concussed. Therefore, their conclusion was to avoid any chance that will happen.

Taking that in to account is how I ended up with the brakes that we did. They're all top of the pile for recoil reduction but the key factor is what happens to the blast. It's not on the shooter and that's critical.

The Shockwave is what you'd be looking for on a 338 LM. I have 33 caliber versions finishing up in SS on the mill right now, they'll be available on the website this weekend.

Shockwave Muzzle Brake

Cut recoil and muzzle rise, increase accuracy with the self-timing Shockwave. Easy install, no machining or gunsmithing required. At PVA, we engineer repeatability. 100% made in USA.

patriotvalleyarms.com

 

[kthomas]

What settled you on those two?

Something you're likely to experience with that caliber, yet few seem to talk about: concussion back on the shooter. The bigger the magnum, the more people want to put a brake on it. What the brake does with the blast when redirecting it is just as important (if not more so) than the recoil reduction.

Concussion on the shooter is detrimental to our ability to follow through as well as our long term health from shooting braked rifles. Keeping the blast off the shooter was a primary concern of several Olympic shooters that I interviewed while developing the various brakes that I make. They all agreed that they would rather have to shoot without a brake than shoot something that throws blast back on their face. Concussion to the face has long term negative effects to our eyes and ears especially. Short/immediate term (IE follow up shots) have been proven to be less repeatable when the shooter is being concussed. Therefore, their conclusion was to avoid any chance that will happen.

Taking that in to account is how I ended up with the brakes that we did. They're all top of the pile for recoil reduction but the key factor is what happens to the blast. It's not on the shooter and that's critical.

The Shockwave is what you'd be looking for on a 338 LM. I have 33 caliber versions finishing up in SS on the mill right now, they'll be available on the website this weekend.

Shockwave Muzzle Brake

Cut recoil and muzzle rise, increase accuracy with the self-timing Shockwave. Easy install, no machining or gunsmithing required. At PVA, we engineer repeatability. 100% made in USA.

patriotvalleyarms.com

Concussion isn't talked about enough. People seem to dismiss concussion, but it has a bigger effect on us than most give it credit for.

I've personally swapped over to suppressors mainly because of concussion, but if I was looking at purchasing a brake, concussion would be a big consideration.

 

[Rob01]

I just put an MDT Comp Brake on my 6.5 CM MPA chassis. Only shot about 30 rounds from prone only, but it worked amazingly good. The top vents we’re about 3/4 the way open. Next time I take it out I’m going to open them all the way and see if there’s much difference. I’ve used an are 419 and a PVA brake before. Those are both good products and great companies, but there brakes don’t compare in ability to keep the reticle on target during recoil recovery, at least for me. Obviously we all are different, so your perception might be different than mine.

My perception is a little different. I went to the range with a PVA Jet4 and the MDT Comp brake and shot first with the PVA from bench at 100 to check zero and then from barricade at 400 yards and then took it off and put on the MDT, all top ports open, and shot the same bench and then barricade. I couldn't feel a difference in recoil reduction or movement on target. Both worked very well but no discernible difference for me.

MDT did do a good job cutting concussion compared to brakes like the APA Little or Fat Bastards which blow a lot back at the shooter.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

All the main brakes have no real perceivable difference, especially shooting 6mm rounds.

Ones like the ACE handle rearward concussion better but APA, 419, SRS, Heathen, Terminator all perform similar as far as recoil reduction and settling back on target to spot trace/impacts/miss. It really comes down to how much weight you want hanging off the end, do you need suppressor compatibility, and which one you think looks the best.

 

[rydah]

I have no idea what his financial agreements are with the companies whom he reviews products for.

But I would not be surprised at all if there was a fiscal incentive to his "reviews", given the clear lack of objectivity.

Only does videos that are paid for and they cost thousands.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

If people saw their PRS scores they would unsubscribe.

Taking gun advise from people who compete for last place every match is probably not wise.

 

[E. Bryant]

This is pretty much all youtube videos with the exception of a very few competent and objective reviewers such as GT.

Garand Thumb certainly comes off as competent, and his content gives me no reason to doubt his objectivity. He also amuses me. But he does take money in exchange for promotion, asking with many other "famous" names:

Leviathan Tribe

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www.leviathantribe.com

Just something to keep in mind when taking advice or passing it along to others.

 

[Gil P.]

My perception is a little different. I went to the range with a PVA Jet4 and the MDT Comp brake and shot first with the PVA from bench at 100 to check zero and then from barricade at 400 yards and then took it off and put on the MDT, all top ports open, and shot the same bench and then barricade. I couldn't feel a difference in recoil reduction or movement on target. Both worked very well but no discernible difference for me.

MDT did do a good job cutting concussion compared to brakes like the APA Little or Fat Bastards which blow a lot back at the shooter.

It would be interesting to compare the PVA to my Hawkins brake. The Hawkins doesn't have angled ports like the PVA. I have an original area 419 and the back blast on that is vicious compared to the Hawkins.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Garand Thumb certainly comes off as competent, and his content gives me no reason to doubt his objectivity. He also amuses me. But he does take money in exchange for promotion, asking with many other "famous" names:

Leviathan Tribe

Boost your brand awareness with the Leviathan Tribe. As the leading marketing and talent agency in the outdoor and tactical industry, we work with the top industry authorities, professionals, and creators to produce the best content. Schedule a call today to learn more.

www.leviathantribe.com

Just something to keep in mind when taking advice or passing it along to others.

Its about transparency. The Sponsors are not gun product companies. They are unrelated.

It helps keep conflicts of interest out of it and allows him to give honest reviews. Mike is a first rate American and deserves the respect he has earned.

 

[pineoak]

If people saw their PRS scores they would unsubscribe.

Taking gun advise from people who compete for last place every match is probably not wise.

That's too logical.

 

[bohem]

It would be interesting to compare the PVA to my Hawkins brake. The Hawkins doesn't have angled ports like the PVA. I have an original area 419 and the back blast on that is vicious compared to the Hawkins.

We've done the testing.

Have you ever seen a MLB pitcher go down to the minors for a couple games after recovering from a surgery/injury and whooping up on the poor bastards still playing AA ball?

I have a flat port brake, we made it for years, called the Mad Scientist. It actually manages to compete against the APA LB without any backblast. It fell out of favor with customers who just wanted more and more recoil reduction.

 

[Rocketmandb]

Hello,
Anyone tested the MDT COMP BRAKE and the TERMINATOR Brakes?
Which one would be better for a brand new .338LM?

There was an article on the Precision Rifle Blog a number of years ago where he compared a number of brakes. It's a little dated, as a number of newer brakes have come out since then, but it gives a good comparison against four different criteria: staying on target, recoil reduction, loudness and ground signature. While neither the MDT nor Terminator is in that article, it's a worthwhile read. It was what influenced my decision to go with the APA Lil Bastard - and it was right on: one of the best at recoil reduction, and one of the loudest. He notes that there is a definite correlation between recoil reduction and loudness.

Muzzle Brake: Summary of Field Test Results

This post summarizes the eye-opening results for the massive muzzle brake field test I’ve worked on ...

precisionrifleblog.com

 

[msgriff]

Here are some videos from a manufacturer comparing the recoil of his .338LM brakes with the T-3 and T-4. I do like his test sled. I personally am willing to give up some recoil reduction for other considerations.
https://muzzlebrakesandmore.com/testing-videos

 

[4O6shootist]

Here's the most recent test from Nathan at mbm. His beast brakes are excellent but do have a lot of concussion. The TiPro performs excellent as well in the test, have a few. Actually ran one most last season on my gt as it vastly out performed the hellfire in my testing. I have a mbm big beast on my 11# 338 rum and its a pleasure to shoot recoil wise, however concussion will clear the near by benches QUICKLY.

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

Testing of this sort might always be somewhat subjective...especially since perceived recoil is highly dependent on subjective parameters. I shot my 6.5 CM (not a big recoiler anyway) for about 500 rounds and memorized the recoil response pretty well. Bought and installed an Area 419 Hellfire Brake and the second I touched it off I knew I had reduced recoil and seemingly pushed the rifle straight back (no rise) and accuracy improved significantly with the rifle ending up on target and the sight pix framed right where I left it when the shot broke. Way worth the <$150 price tag....I touched off 4 more and had the tightest, most consistent group I had ever shot at 300 yards. The POI had changed a bunch but it took another 5 rounds to make that prefect again. Basically reduced my group size by 20% and I was appeased.

Then the guy 2 lanes down from me threw up his hands in disgust, screamed a couple of expletives my direction, and packed up his 12 YO (holding his muff protected ears like he had been stabbed by a knife) and his stuff and left the range with a huge huff. And expletive's. And angry looks. I apologized all around but everyone else at the line was laughing. Loud yes. But firing lines are loud I guess. The resulting group sizes spoke for themselves.

Effective brakes seem to amplify SPL's projected to the sides and back. Sucks but suppressors are not legal here and. far as I know, they don't reduce recoil as effectively as a good brake. I'd be willing to give up my brake if it kept the peace but I'm moving to .338 LM and I'm pretty sure It'll be sporting a Brake from day one.

Pretty sure. Love to have a suppressor but that's never happening in this state.

VooDoo

 

[ajejebrazorfisky]

Thanks to all, for the advice. Please forgive me if I ask an obvious thing, but my english is not too good.. What do you mean with "concussion"?
About suppressor in my country they are not allowed.

 

[Digetydog]

Its about transparency. The Sponsors are not gun product companies. They are unrelated.

It helps keep conflicts of interest out of it and allows him to give honest reviews. Mike is a first rate American and deserves the respect he has earned.

He also gives negative reviews which a lot of channels do not.

Those channels are like the gun magazines who kept their mouth shut when the Remington pistol that didn't work got rolled out.

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

Thanks to all, for the advice. Please forgive me if I ask an obvious thing, but my english is not too good.. What do you mean with "concussion"?
About suppressor in my country they are not allowed.

Concussion is when the sound pressure level (loudness) overcomes your hearing protection. Some brakes redirect and concentrate the loudness of the shot to the sides and rear making it very loud for the shooter and those adjacent to them.

VooDoo

 

[ajejebrazorfisky]

Understood. Thanks

 

[TreyMeTrey]

Hello,
Anyone tested the MDT COMP BRAKE and the TERMINATOR Brakes?
Which one would be better for a brand new .338LM?

I have the Terminator 4 on my 33XC,the EC Tuner Brake on a 375 Cheytac and a Terminator 5 on my other 375 Cheytac.
I'm looking fir something better.I have 3 other EC Tuner Brakes on stalker caliber rifles and like them however the one on the 375 does not reduce recoil very much.