My GA Precision Experience

#51
Re: My GA Precision Experience

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jakerz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

But then again, its impossible to say something negative about GAP on this site...

Jake</div></div>

Bullshit, it is not impossible. As with everything there are two sides to a story. Come up with something legitimate to say where GAP is not willing to fix it and then you have a soap box to stand on.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A10XRIFLE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If Usdmgtr wants to call and have 2 more flush cups added <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">we will take care of it at no cost to him and send a call tag to ship the rifle.</span> </span>This stock was Originaly ordered with only studs on the bottom so I didnt think the extras would be an issue. They can be filled in or we can add a pair to the right side. </div></div>

So please enlighten us as to what GAP is supposed to do?
 
#52
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I am not on the site to slam GAP or get anything from them. Just wanted to post my experience of ordering a left-handed rifle.

I believe George builds and sells 1,000s of rifles of year and 99.99% are correct and shoot well. Unfortunately that is not the case with my build.

George handled the first swap perfectly and offered to the new McM stock. I was not told it would have flush-cups on the incorrect side. As for the return, I called several times after my other rifle was complete to get a refund. I even followed up with the following email after no call back. As you can see the string of emails was obviously sent before my rifle was shipped.

Karey,

I am on vacation for two weeks and have limited access to email and VM. Did you have a chance to talk with George?


On Mar 31, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Karey Bruner - G.A. Precision wrote:

With the rifle being ready to go out I want to check with George to find out how to solve this. He is out of town until monday and I appreciate your patience on this issue. I will find out on monday how George would like to handle this and let you know then.

Karey Bruner
Custom Service, Sales and Gunsmith
Phone +1 816 221-1844
Fax +1 816 421-4958
G.A. Precision "Clinically Proven"
1141 Swift Street
North Kansas City, MO 64116
Visit us on the web!
www.gaprecision.net/meet-the-team/karey-bruner.html



-----Original Message-----
From: CHARLES ROBERTS [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wed 3/31/2010 1:37 PM
To: Karey Bruner - G.A. Precision
Subject: Re: ORDER CANCELATION: Left Hand 6.5x47 Lapua build

Hello Karey,

Is canceling the order an option?

Regards,

Charles

On Mar 30, 2010, at 3:24 PM, CHARLES ROBERTS wrote:

> Karey,
>
> I have had two rifles built in the time it has taken to build this one. I will just sell the rifle if I receive it and would prefer not to deal with it. Is canceling the order an option?
>
> Regards,
>
> Charles
>
> On Mar 30, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Karey Bruner - G.A. Precision wrote:
>
>> We actually just got the left handed Jewell trigger in for your rifle so it will be ready to go this week.
>>
>>
>> Karey Bruner
>> Custom Service, Sales and Gunsmith
>> Phone +1 816 221-1844
>> Fax +1 816 421-4958
>> G.A. Precision "Clinically Proven"
>> 1141 Swift Street
>> North Kansas City, MO 64116
>> Visit us on the web!
>> www.gaprecision.net/meet-the-team/karey-bruner.html
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CHARLES ROBERTS [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Tue 3/30/2010 4:10 PM
>> To: Karey Bruner - G.A. Precision
>> Subject: ORDER CANCELATION: Left Hand 6.5x47 Lapua build
>>
>> Hello Karey,
>>
>> What is your cancelation policy? This build has simply taken too long.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Chalres Roberts


I later received a call that the rifle had shipped a refund was not possible.

I would like to thing I am a nice & fair guy. I am just posting a honest review of my experience with GAP.

George was kind and VERY helpful with the first mistake. The refund aspect was handled by Karey.

George, I am sure we will be shooting some of the same comps in the future (like TBRC) and I look forward to meeting you.
 
#54
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Usdmgtr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am not on the site to slam GAP or get anything from them. Just wanted to post my experience of ordering a left-handed rifle.

I believe George builds and sells 1,000s of rifles of year and 99.99% are correct and shoot well. Unfortunately that is not the case with my build.

George handled the first swap perfectly and offered to the new McM stock. I was not told it would have flush-cups on the incorrect side. As for the return, I called several times after my other rifle was complete to get a refund. I even followed up with the following email after no call back. As you can see the string of emails was obviously sent before my rifle was shipped.

Karey,

I am on vacation for two weeks and have limited access to email and VM. Did you have a chance to talk with George?


On Mar 31, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Karey Bruner - G.A. Precision wrote:

With the rifle being ready to go out I want to check with George to find out how to solve this. He is out of town until monday and I appreciate your patience on this issue. I will find out on monday how George would like to handle this and let you know then.

Karey Bruner
Custom Service, Sales and Gunsmith
Phone +1 816 221-1844
Fax +1 816 421-4958
G.A. Precision "Clinically Proven"
1141 Swift Street
North Kansas City, MO 64116
Visit us on the web!
www.gaprecision.net/meet-the-team/karey-bruner.html



-----Original Message-----
From: CHARLES ROBERTS [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wed 3/31/2010 1:37 PM
To: Karey Bruner - G.A. Precision
Subject: Re: ORDER CANCELATION: Left Hand 6.5x47 Lapua build

Hello Karey,

Is canceling the order an option?

Regards,

Charles

On Mar 30, 2010, at 3:24 PM, CHARLES ROBERTS wrote:

> Karey,
>
> I have had two rifles built in the time it has taken to build this one. I will just sell the rifle if I receive it and would prefer not to deal with it. Is canceling the order an option?
>
> Regards,
>
> Charles
>
> On Mar 30, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Karey Bruner - G.A. Precision wrote:
>
>> We actually just got the left handed Jewell trigger in for your rifle so it will be ready to go this week.
>>
>>
>> Karey Bruner
>> Custom Service, Sales and Gunsmith
>> Phone +1 816 221-1844
>> Fax +1 816 421-4958
>> G.A. Precision "Clinically Proven"
>> 1141 Swift Street
>> North Kansas City, MO 64116
>> Visit us on the web!
>> www.gaprecision.net/meet-the-team/karey-bruner.html
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CHARLES ROBERTS [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Tue 3/30/2010 4:10 PM
>> To: Karey Bruner - G.A. Precision
>> Subject: ORDER CANCELATION: Left Hand 6.5x47 Lapua build
>>
>> Hello Karey,
>>
>> What is your cancelation policy? This build has simply taken too long.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Chalres Roberts


I later received a call that the rifle had shipped a refund was not possible.

I would like to thing I am a nice & fair guy. I am just posting a honest review of my experience with GAP.

George was kind and VERY helpful with the first mistake. The refund aspect was handled by Karey.

George, I am sure we will be shooting some of the same comps in the future (like TBRC) and I look forward to meeting you. </div></div>

I'm not the best member to give advise here, But if it's that big of a deal. Pull the freaking stock off and send it to McMillan and have one of the girls help you out.
 
#55
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George is not one of the "sacred cows" on here! Stuff happens, for the most part he has a perfect track record; if not he has always "manned up"! He is a class act! He let this thread go on this long w/ out calling in his "card"; should give one an indication of his character!
 
#56
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Lazy21 - I think you misunderstand the point of the thread. Yet again, this was just about my experience. I can my local smith or GAP install cups anytime. I posted the email thread to prove I did ask for a refund before I had notice the rifle was complete or shipped... Just want all the facts to be correct.
 
#57
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Illuminati</div><div class="ubbcode-body">George is not one of the "sacred cows" on here! Stuff happens, for the most part he has a perfect track record; if not he has always "maned up"! He is a class act! He let this thread go on this long w/ out calling in his "card"; should give one an indication of his character! </div></div>

As the OP I agree George is a great guy... I think people want a fight and that is not what this is about. Its about sharing and experience to help people make choices.
 
#58
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What are people missing here? Usdmgtr posted his experience and so far it seems completely factual. I even saw him post multiple times that he feels George is a nice guy, which George seems to echo back about him. Mistakes happen, it was an expensive gun, it wasn't the way he wanted it and he settled given the circumstances. He just posted his experience, so relax and let the guy share his experience. Why the backlash? I hope the hide isn't turning into a fanboy site.
 
#59
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I have dealt with George on two of my rifle builds. Had a small problem on finishing on the bottom metal on one. He fixed it
ASAP. Mistakes happen but he took care of me. When I gave a demo to the local county SWAT team they went to him to rebuild all their rifles. He gave the guys a great job for a great deal
since they are LEO and the rifles rock. I don't have a dog in this fight either, but he takes care of customers in my experience.

If he didn't wear those nasty Daisy Duke GAP shorts he'd be
close to perfect
smile.gif
 
#60
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OK its over.

I own 10 rifles from George or that GAP has worked on. They have all come to me in perfect condition and the other projects I have sent them all have been TOP NOTCH.
 
#61
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If you get into this sport and start getting custom builds-PROBLEMS happen. I'm a big GAP supporter and have owned numerous GAP rifles over the years.

Is it frustrating not to be able to get someone on the phone? Yes.It's more frustrating when they talk on the phone all day with nothing getting done.GA Precision has grown and handled it well. Shit happens. George is a stand up guy. IF a mistake happens,it gets fixed and its owned up to.

Those that want to pile on-do so as you wish. And make up your own mind who gets your business. I will say this-if this unfortunate situation makes you take your business elsewhere, it is your loss. And it will be those of us that put our trust in GAP's gain-because they'll be one less rifle ahead of us on our next build.

And if you think their reputation for building a quality stick is overplayed-check out how fast an available rifle lasts on George's site before its sold-even in this economy.

 
#62
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cattle buyer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> 1 bad out of 100 good when your dealing with trigger jerks is a great record yet! </div></div>

Not really, especially when it was a re-do because of an earlier, significant issue. For $5k I bet you wouldn't be so philosophical if you were that 1%. </div></div> You would loose your bet.
 
#63
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK I have had many rifles built by GAP. They all shot and looked very well. I have known George for many years and he puts his heart into his wortk. I know the guy who had this problem and he is a good guy. Two folks attempting to get best outcome but things going wrong.

I would like folks to look at it this way.

GAP builds such a good rifle he has gotten fng swamped. He is doing his best to get all the rifles out as quickly as he can. With such a volume of rifles mistakes happen and things are learned. George came on here and fell on his swoard. Said what went wrong here and steps he has taken to try and keep this from happening again. Rt hand versus left hand, flush cups on stock. These are small things anyone could over look, especially if swamped. In the case of the stock, George was frankly fucked the moment he the worng one came in. McMillan lead times are often very long because guess what? They are so good they have folks lined up to buy them.

Now the purchaser, I see his side very well. Been there with many retail items. He just wnated to buy what he wanted. The mistakes all happened on his build and left him in a position he probably wont use GAP again. That happens once in awhile with good companies and good buyers. Shit happens and relationships are ruined. That does not mean either is bad just a series of events that tainted the deal and left both less than happy with outcome. I have several companies I will not deal with myself, so I understand his side as well.

Knowing both I bet next time George is out here he will sit down and have a meal with the buyer and talk things out.

The bottom line is no one here has an evil agenda, things just went wrong this time. </div></div>

Hey Mike,

Thanks... Think you nailed it.
 
#64
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I've ordered 2 rifles from GAP, talked to Goerge a few times, GAP rifles suck; no matter how many times you pull the trigger, there's only one damned hole in the target.

Damn Gaps.

To the OP, I shoot lefty, I'll give you $100 for your piece of shit GAP, cash money!
 
#65
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Not sure if this a a joke or you are just running up the post count. I think the rifle is very nice... I never said it was a POS or did not shoot well.
 
#67
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rancid Coolaid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GAP makes shooters.

Flush cups on the wrong side, seriously? Take off your skirt and enjoy shooting a great gun. </div></div>

you are paying good money for a custom rifle built to your specs. if you don't get what you ordered, then i would think a person has a right to be upset.

the op is doing nothing but sharing his experience and as long as his statements are completely factual, i see no problem with that.
 
#69
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I commend both the offender and the offendee in this matter. Both parties have respectfully come on the board to post there sides of the story with out a bunch of shit talking or name calling. Actually there was some name calling by both sides I saw and it was all positive.

George, way to be human and understanding.

USDMTGR, way to be respectful and informative.

Most of the angry bashing mall ninjas on this site are more emotional than my ex-girlfreind on the rag after 5 beers while watching oprah. If you are one of those guys, and you know who you are, find a new site to trash....
 
#70
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and crying about flush cups.... flush cups wont make the rifle shoot any better!!!

Shoot the piss out of it and enjoy it </div></div>

if you ordered a custom car and it was delivered a different color than you specified, would you be fine with that? after all, the color doesn't change the performance.
 
#71
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George, thanks for continuing to be a stand up smith. Your past and continued work will insure that threads such as this are the rarity for GAP, as they should be.

USDMTGR, my sympathies to you but thanks for sharing the experience. Too often on forums there are plenty of yeahs for a particular builder, some crazy ass complainers with only a personal gripe, but not very many objective negative reviews that are helpful for someone making a decision as to which builder to go with.

To all those who wan't someone to ignore a mistake on a custom build. STFU. The point of pouring over specs and picking parts, paying thousands of hard earned dollars for a custom build, and waiting for months and months on its completion is to get exactly what you ordered. The buyer has every right to expect that THEIR order is perfect. It doesn't matter if a company gets their product right 99.99% of the time. If a customers experience is that .01% then they have a legitimate complaint.

The unfortunate fact is that in the custom firearms game, regardless of how small the defect is, the anticipation over that perfect build is oftentimes so great and spread out over such a long period that the disappointment ruins the piece for the buyer.
 
#72
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If you think this thread is about flush-cups you have not read the whole thing. Please spare us the commits unless you have something useful to add.

You can ask anyone that knows me I don't care about cosmetics. I am form follows function guy.

My experience with GAP was pleasant but not ideal. WIth that I will not order another rifle from them. I posted my experience so others can decide who to order a rifle from. Both GAP and myself have learned from the experience and I am sure will not lose any sleep over it.

If you had a $2,500 scope go down you know the feeling. It sucks to have high-end items not meet expectations. Even if the make it right after a few trip back to the repair shop.
 
#74
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokshwn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">George, thanks for continuing to be a stand up smith. Your past and continued work will insure that threads such as this are the rarity for GAP, as they should be.

USDMTGR, my sympathies to you but thanks for sharing the experience. Too often on forums there are plenty of yeahs for a particular builder, some crazy ass complainers with only a personal gripe, but not very many objective negative reviews that are helpful for someone making a decision as to which builder to go with.

To all those who wan't someone to ignore a mistake on a custom build. STFU. The point of pouring over specs and picking parts, paying thousands of hard earned dollars for a custom build, and waiting for months and months on its completion is to get exactly what you ordered. The buyer has every right to expect that THEIR order is perfect. It doesn't matter if a company gets their product right 99.99% of the time. If a customers experience is that .01% then they have a legitimate complaint.

The unfortunate fact is that in the custom firearms game, regardless of how small the defect is, the anticipation over that perfect build is oftentimes so great and spread out over such a long period that the disappointment ruins the piece for the buyer. </div></div>

Very well said.
 
#75
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I do need to say if you’re left handed and received a right handed rifle after a 7 mouth wait that sucks. As we all know people make mistakes, it how we deal with these mistakes that defines us as people. We all know without a doubt, George is a stand up guy, Gap can make this right. If I didn't hate to wait so long for a build I would have alot of their rifles.
 
#76
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I don't know why you would have ordered flush cups on just 1 side of the rifle anyway. If your going to use flush cups drop an extra $30 and have then put on both sides!

The RH/LH mess would piss off MOST people and I could see a credit towards a future build to keep good relations..... Just send the rifle back in and wait a week or 2 to have more flush- cups added to the other side of your rifle! You will be better off with 4 anyway!

It kinda sound to me your more upset with the $ GAP charges than you are about the flush-cup issue?????
 
#77
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Long_Action</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know why you would have ordered flush cups on just 1 side of the rifle anyway. If your going to use flush cups drop an extra $30 and have then put on both sides!

The RH/LH mess would piss off MOST people and I could see a credit towards a future build to keep good relations..... Just send the rifle back in and wait a week or 2 to have more flush- cups added to the other side of your rifle! You will be better off with 4 anyway!

It kinda sound to me your more upset with the $ GAP charges than you are about the flush-cup issue????? </div></div>

You totally missed the point.
 
#78
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Usdmgtr, Ill buy the Beer. I would like to clear one thing up. The rifle was done at the begining of March the only thing it was waiting on was the Trigger from Jewell. Thats why Kerry wanted to talk with me about it and yes I was out of town for 14 days look at the dates of the F Class Nationals. Mike Miller and I even had a discussion about this very rifle durring the Match and I even told him it was only waiting on a trigger. If you decide to keep it the cups will only take a couple days to add. That I Promise
 
#79
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and crying about flush cups.... flush cups wont make the rifle shoot any better!!!

Shoot the piss out of it and enjoy it </div></div>

if you ordered a custom car and it was delivered a different color than you specified, would you be fine with that? after all, the color doesn't change the performance.
</div></div>

If I could get behind the wheel of it and enjoy the car the color to me is a moot point. Will a black car perform better then silver? nope..... flush cups can easily be dealt with, so can the color of a car. its called a paint shop.

your dog piling on this thread just because you like to fling some mud.
 
#80
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and crying about flush cups.... flush cups wont make the rifle shoot any better!!!

Shoot the piss out of it and enjoy it </div></div>

if you ordered a custom car and it was delivered a different color than you specified, would you be fine with that? after all, the color doesn't change the performance.
</div></div>

If I could get behind the wheel of it and enjoy the car the color to me is a moot point. Will a black car perform better then silver? nope..... flush cups can easily be dealt with, so can the color of a car. its called a paint shop.

your dog piling on this thread just because you like to fling some mud. </div></div>

there is no mud to be flung here. both parties involved have told their side of it and both stories are about the same. it was one guy telling his personal experience.

the only thing i am responding to now is the fact that you think it is fine to get something other than what you speced when you ordered a custom speced item, whether it be something simple as flush cups in a stock or the paint color on a car. i totally disagree with that.
 
#81
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and crying about flush cups.... flush cups wont make the rifle shoot any better!!!

Shoot the piss out of it and enjoy it </div></div>

if you ordered a custom car and it was delivered a different color than you specified, would you be fine with that? after all, the color doesn't change the performance.
</div></div>

If I could get behind the wheel of it and enjoy the car the color to me is a moot point. Will a black car perform better then silver? nope..... flush cups can easily be dealt with, so can the color of a car. its called a paint shop.

your dog piling on this thread just because you like to fling some mud. </div></div>

there is no mud to be flung here. both parties involved have told their side of it and both stories are about the same. it was one guy telling his personal experience.

the only thing i am responding to now is the fact that you think it is fine to get something other than what you speced when you ordered a custom speced item, whether it be something simple as flush cups in a stock or the paint color on a car. i totally disagree with that. </div></div>

300 Sniper, Initially the stock was not ordered with flush cups at all just 3 studs on the bottom. The second stock that McMillan had available had a stud and 4 cups (it was ready to ship) I called the customer and told him It had cups instead of studs as well as a Thumbwheel cheek. He approved using the Stock McMillan had ready. Otherwise he would have waited 6 months to just get the stock. The Studs being on the left side was just how the stock was from McMillan. Like I said before this whole situation was caused by a clerical error on our part in retrospect we did our best to get the customer a replacement as fast as possible that may have been the second error as just ordering a replacement insted of offering the One McMillan had ready caused the flush cup problem.

Lesson Learned.
 
#83
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Like a number of you guys I do not have a dog in this fight.

I do have my own business and I alway tell my customer.

"Things do go wrong occasionally and everyone gets problems.
Don't judge us by the problem.
Judge us by what we do about it."

I do not know George but from a business point of view he seems to have done everything he could to resolve the issue amicably.

I also understand the OP's position and I know after the wait and spending $4.8K I would have been disappointed, but guys you cannot change history.

George stepped up to the plate unfortunately the OP decided to get the problem resolved elsewhere.

Time to move on.
 
#84
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Long_Action</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know why you would have ordered flush cups on just 1 side of the rifle anyway. If your going to use flush cups drop an extra $30 and have then put on both sides!

The RH/LH mess would piss off MOST people and I could see a credit towards a future build to keep good relations..... Just send the rifle back in and wait a week or 2 to have more flush- cups added to the other side of your rifle! You will be better off with 4 anyway!

It kinda sound to me your more upset with the $ GAP charges than you are about the flush-cup issue????? </div></div>

If I did not like the price GAP charges I would have not ordered the rifle. It is not my first custom and will not be the last. Money is not the issue.

I paid the premium of a GAP rifle and the pride in ownership was spoiled by a less than ideal experience. It all comes down to communication. I was unaware of a few of the points George posted. I am sure he learned a few form me...
 
#85
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George, I look forward to meeting you. Part of my original desire to own a GAP rifle was the pride of ownership. Its unfortunate my experience did not go as planned and that's gone. It's nice knowing your side of the story perhaps all could have been avoided with a little better communication on both sides.

It would seem your willingness to stand by your company and builders has earned you a few more fans and hopefully more customers.

Best of luck,

Charles

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A10XRIFLE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Usdmgtr, Ill buy the Beer. I would like to clear one thing up. The rifle was done at the begining of March the only thing it was waiting on was the Trigger from Jewell. Thats why Kerry wanted to talk with me about it and yes I was out of town for 14 days look at the dates of the F Class Nationals. Mike Miller and I even had a discussion about this very rifle durring the Match and I even told him it was only waiting on a trigger. If you decide to keep it the cups will only take a couple days to add. That I Promise </div></div>
 
#86
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Regardless of all this, my next rifle will be a Crusader type cannon chambered in .300WM
Australian gunsmiths can build nice rifles sure, but I want one specifically from GAP like I wanted my scope from USOptics, because the shit works and you get support from PEOPLE not a system.
 
#88
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

there is no mud to be flung here. both parties involved have told their side of it and both stories are about the same. it was one guy telling his personal experience.

the only thing i am responding to now is the fact that you think it is fine to get something other than what you speced when you ordered a custom speced item, whether it be something simple as flush cups in a stock or the paint color on a car. i totally disagree with that. </div></div>

300 Sniper, Initially the stock was not ordered with flush cups at all just 3 studs on the bottom. The second stock that McMillan had available had a stud and 4 cups (it was ready to ship) I called the customer and told him It had cups instead of studs as well as a Thumbwheel cheek. He approved using the Stock McMillan had ready. Otherwise he would have waited 6 months to just get the stock. The Studs being on the left side was just how the stock was from McMillan. Like I said before this whole situation was caused by a clerical error on our part in retrospect we did our best to get the customer a replacement as fast as possible that may have been the second error as just ordering a replacement insted of offering the One McMillan had ready caused the flush cup problem.

Lesson Learned. [/quote]

Exactly...... the 2nd stock was built a certain way, he agreed to it, then bitched about flush cups.

So I was right 300sniper.....
 
#89
Re: My GA Precision Experience

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So I was right 300sniper..... </div></div>

yes i was corrected by george of something i missed/misread and i accepted that.

if you knew you were right, why didn't you correct me at first instead of making it sound like getting something other than exactly what you speced was totally acceptable?
 
#90
Re: My GA Precision Experience

FYI,

Flush cups on the left side of the rifle are correct for a left handed shooter interested in shooting with a sling.

If you put the sling on that side, you don't have to put a twist in it and it cradles the hand better while giving more support to the rifle. A right handed shooter should use the ones on the right side to shoot slung supported.

But whatever the reason, it's up to the purchaser to decide what level of happiness he is experiencing. Agreeing to something then deciding you spent too much to compromise is his right, but comes at a price. He could have waited the additional time for McMillan to send the right stock, or accept the offer. Accepting the compromise and then deciding it wasn't to his liking is what it is, and doesn't lessen the fact he received the level of service available to remedy the problem.

People Monday Morning Quarterbacking are usually more of an issue than the real issue.
 
#91
Re: My GA Precision Experience

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FYI,

Flush cups on the left side of the rifle are correct for a left handed shooter interested in shooting with a sling.

If you put the sling on that side, you don't have to put a twist in it and it cradles the hand better while giving more support to the rifle. A right handed shooter should use the ones on the right side to shoot slung supported.

But whatever the reason, it's up to the purchaser to decide what level of happiness he is experiencing. Agreeing to something then deciding you spent too much to compromise is his right, but comes at a price. He could have waited the additional time for McMillan to send the right stock, or accept the offer. Accepting the compromise and then deciding it wasn't to his liking is what it is, and doesn't lessen the fact he received the level of service available to remedy the problem.

People Monday Morning Quarterbacking are usually more of an issue than the real issue. </div></div>

What he said. It seems as though the two people in this argument with vested interest have worked it out rather maturely. And all the additionl comments have made the situation into something it was never intended or needed to be. However, as a newb to the hide I learned some valuable lessons.

1. Never buy anything from GAP. (just kidding)
2. Never speak badly of GAP. (not kidding)
3. Never assume when speaking with a bunch of grown men & women(?) that a discussion won't spiral out of control like a girls high school sleep over.

Seriously, is it too much to ask for a bunch of adults to have a constructive conversation about a certain topic? Seems to me that we would all be a little better off if we gave our thoughts about an hour or so before we go ahead and post something that is non-constructive and in some cases inflamatory. This forum should be a resource where enthusiasts can go for advice, knowledge, camaraderie, and the like. Not to bash one another.

just my newb two cents. Have a good day all. God bless
 
#95
Re: My GA Precision Experience

Wow, lay off of the OP already. He is simply giving a review of GAP. Notice the thread title, hes not bashing GAP at all. He is just giving us information.

As far as the flush caps are concerned, It would not be a huge deal to me, but if I payed 5 grand for a gun that took twice the estimated time I wouldn't be to stoked about it. I have no experience with GAP, but its reputation precedes itself.
 
#97
Re: My GA Precision Experience

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
sometimes people don't make public their negative experiences with a popular vendor because of the dog pile that usually ensues</div></div>

I can second that feeling.

I had GAP true up and rebarrel an M700 for me and the muzzle brake was crooked. George tried to talk me through how to fix it myself but it wasn't working. He took the rifle back and quickly turned it around (couple of weeks maybe, it wasn't significantly long). However, when I got it back the brake was still crooked, but not as bad.

I just kept my mouth shut and lived with it since it seemed to shoot fine otherwise. Since this is the first work I've had done at a name-brand gun smith I had no way to know if this is what you got at the $1600 level vs. the $5k or whatever for a full custom. The work was far better overall than I can get out of the local gunsmiths.

Is it the end of the world? No. Would I bad mouth GAP about it? No. Will it effect my decision to buy a full custom from them in the future? Yea, probably.
 
#98
Re: My GA Precision Experience

I think many of you <span style="font-weight: bold">missed the point</span> of this but like anything not everyone will understand.

In summery.


After 10 months or so the rifle came right handed (ordered left). I was given the choice to wait another 5-8 months or accept a stock that McM had with options I did not want like the thumb cheek... I asked Karey about a refund but choose to accept Georges offer because I was told the rifle would be done in <span style="font-weight: bold">30 days 60 max</span>.

This was not ideal but they already had my money and would charge 20% for the return when <span style="font-weight: bold">I just wanted a rifle to shoot</span>

The rifle was not returned after 60 days it was close to 100 days after the original 10 or 11 month wait . If I it was going to take that long I could have ordered the correct stock. I did talk with George about adding flush cups and changing some other details but that was not in writing (my fault). I agree, I misunderstood George about the "extra" cups. I believe he misunderstood some things I asked and expected too. <span style="font-weight: bold">Note, that is a small part of the whole story. </span>

After 90 days or so my 2nd rifle was complete and I could go shooting... This reduced the need for the rifle and allowed me to just ask for the refund. I was getting inconsistent updates on a completion date and was tired of waiting. When I finally got pissed and called and called, I was told the rifle was shipping soon and would be charged a 20% if I wished to cancel. Now this is a catch 22 as George said the was rifle completed when I pushed for the return. From my point of view I was calling and emailing trying to get a response for two weeks only to be told my rifle was almost complete. Almost is not complete and I was not allowed the refund, I should of just had AMX pull the charges and called it a day.

All said and done I had three choices accept a rifle that was not 100% correct in 13 months (cups, cheek...), wait 16+ months for a correct version <span style="font-weight: bold">or pay GAP 20% for making a mistake. </span>

Sorry that is not great service to me... That said I am done posting on this.

 
#99
Re: My GA Precision Experience

I ordered an AR-10 from them and found out the rail on it is out of spec. I can't mount a LaRue mount on it but it fits on 3 other ARs. I emailed them a few days ago and haven't heard back.

For an AR that expensive they should have checked the rail and they should have emailed me back by now.
 
#100
Re: My GA Precision Experience

Thank you to the OP for this thread.

I don't have a dog in this fight either but when someone has a problem with a product, It benifits all if they post it.

I ordered a custom rifle a couple of years ago from a builder that was praised on another site. I did my research and couldn't find one bad thing said about him.

22 months later, I recieved my rifle that was supposed to take 6-8 weeks. The rifle wouldn't group worth a shit and was unsafe. This was after returning the rifle once because the stock was jacked up.

When I posted my experiences on that site, I started getting all these pm's from people telling me what bad service they recieved from the same builder.

If everyone would have been as open as the OP here, I could have made an informed decision about the builder prior to wasting a lot of time and money.

I am sure GAP puts out very nice rifles. I'd love to have one, but when somebody has a bad experience I think they should put it out there so others know what problems could happen. It also puts information out there for the company to better understand how to improve their CS.

Griff
 
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