My home made steel target.....FAIL

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I had some steel laying around and I wanted to set up my own course out back of my house. So I put together 5 target stands and attached the steel. I set up the steel out to 600 yards.
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And my first 3 shots at 400 yards with my 22-250 didnt sound right. So I checked the target and to my suprise........
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Looks like I need some AR500 steel lol.

Anyone have some suggestions of where to get some?
 
Re: My home made steel target.....FAIL

Check the for sale section under optics. There are a couple folks here that sell them. Also, LVSteel from Kurt in Vegas is GTG as well.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What type and thickness of steel plate did you use?</div></div>

They were 1/4". I knew they would damage it if I shot at 100, but had no idea my 22-250 had that much energy at 400 (or maybe I just used really shitty steel)

Not sure what type of steel it was, I found it laying around our farm.
 
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I've found that at a 100yd minimum safe target distance, you really need to build targets from 1/2" AR400 plate or 3/8" AR500 plate to withstand 5.56 - XM193 ammo. It's velocity that kills steel targets, .308 actually does less damage than .223. Your 22-250 has even more velocity than 5.56, so it's going to be a bit harder on steel. I' go minimum 1/2" AR500 for sure.
 
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When I was w. GD Advanced Programs, we did some work with very small, ultra-high velocity rounds -- propelled by progressive charges that ran muzzle velocities up to 10,000 FPS. Fired into steel blocks, they created craters you could put a softball into. The .50 BMG's we fired for comparison left divots you could put a marble in.

The energy of high velocity projectiles is incredible... it's melting its way into and through the steel...

Cheers,

Sirhr
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gstaylorg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I believe the rules state that doesn't count as a group...but did you measure it?</div></div>

well I was shooting off a bipod on the front rack of the 4-wheeler. so I wasnt really shooting a group... I was just trying to figure out if the target would dent it at 400. The plate is 4" across. So I guess it was a 2"x2" group.


I ordered some AR500 3/8" plates today, so I'm guessing that will solve my problem. (I think that should hold up to my 7 wsm?)
 
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When I was teaching shop class at my local high school I made a dueling post out of scrap 1/4" and some rebar and pipe. Was made with the intention of using it for .22 plinking. Got the bright idea of "really making it spin", so I plugged away at it with an old mauser. Thought I was missing, 'cause it never moved. Strolled over and found similar to your pics. Made me glad I wasn't in WWII facing that thing. AG
 
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Home made targets are fun for a while until you break them.

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8x1" steel that was only shot at 600 yards. It has been hit several hundred times with a 308 and 7WSM. The 7 finally snapped the bottom part of.

3/8" 12" mild steel at 600 yards. The dents are from a 308. The 7WSM made it look like swiss cheese. Speed kills!

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I use 1/2" mild steel with my .308. Closest that I shot it was 400 yards, and it cratered it a bit, 500 will dimple it, and after that it doesn't scratch it.

One of these days i'll get AR500 so I can shoot at any distance I want without worrying. Got a buddy with a 50bmg that i'd like to shoot steel with, I just don't want to have holes knocked in my steel.

Branden
 
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It doesn’t even have to be a super fast bullet to damage mild steel. Here are some photos of some 1” thick mild steel that were shot with the bullet poking along around 2700 fps out of my 50 BMG.

I use 3/8” AR500 with success up to 300 mag.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vux51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What about .22LR on 3/8" mild steel?</div></div>

i would be worried about a ricochet
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Home made targets are fun for a while until you break them.

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8x1" steel that was only shot at 600 yards. It has been hit several hundred times with a 308 and 7WSM. The 7 finally snapped the bottom part of.

3/8" 12" mild steel at 600 yards. The dents are from a 308. The 7WSM made it look like swiss cheese. Speed kills!

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I remember watching the little plate through the scope when it got hit...very cool to watch
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What about .22LR on 3/8" mild steel? </div></div>

That will work, it will even do OK for awhile with most non-magnum pistol loads. The rule is IF it stays smooth you will be OK. Dents or craters can and will send lead back.
 
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Thanks for the info. I have a source for very clean plate, no rust. These are going to be for .22 tactical. I guess I'll try a few and see what happens. Nothing closer than 50 yards.
 
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I have built several autoreset plate racks using 3/8" mild steel they are perfect for long range .22lr shooting as you don't have to reset them.

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They begin the reset when the last plate falls.

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Here is a video, it's pretty bad but you can see the auto reset steel targets working. Click on the photo to play.
 
Re: Steel targets and spall

Be aware, when shooting steel targets, of the possibility of spall coming back to(toward) the shooter. If the round doesn't penetrate the target, the target will deform as it is disintegrating the bullet. It will then restore itself to (near) its original shape, and hurl bullet fragments back off of its surface. When the target is on a swinging suspension, the impact will swing it off of vertical and you can see the spall impact the ground in front of the target. If the target is heavy, the swing will be small, and the spall will impact nearer the firing line.

If the bullet is steel-cored, as in most GI .50 BMG, the spall contains big pieces that can come back a LONG way. I've seen .50 spall impact 200 yards in front of the target. Fortunately, I was shooting from 300!

I've seen steel cores from 7.62x39 come back 85 yards, with enough energy to raise a welt.

The NRA moved the small-bore silhouette chicken targets back from 25 yards to 40 yards because spall from .22LR was often hitting shooters.

I've even been hit by spall from a particle-board wooden target backer, shooting old, weak, .22 Short from a revolver. The bullets were compressing the particle board, but not penetrating it, and the board was throwing the bullets back at the shooter. Too many details to go into here, but the bottom line is Be Aware!

Wear your shooting glasses!!

Mike
 
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This past weekend, I sizzled a .172 caliber moly'ed 30gr Kindler Gold clean through 3/8" AR-500 plate. 4100fps muzzle velocity and Exbal tells me impact velocity @ 300yds (target distance) should be around 2935fps. The other two impacts on the plate are fireform loads from the same rifle @ 3700fps...
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If I hadn't have shot it myself, I'd prolly not believe it. These plates have been pounded relentlessly by my 7Wizzer and not affected...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jmorris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is an interesting video of bullets hitting steel both mild and AR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfDoQwIAaXg&feature=channel

You want results like you see between 6:30 and 9:30 in the video. </div></div>

Does anyone know the physics of a bullet going through steel? Does the friction of the impact turn the steel molten allowing the bullet to pass through? Some of those shots make steel look like water with how cleanly the bullet passes through. Just curious.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why would anyone use anything other than AR500??

Just buy the good shit and be done with it. I'll have mine the next 20 years </div></div>

Can't beat free targets. Just like free beer!
 
Re: My home made steel target.....FAIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why would anyone use anything other than AR500??

Just buy the good shit and be done with it. I'll have mine the next 20 years </div></div>

Can't beat free targets. Just like free beer! </div></div>


If it's free it's usually cheap or nasty. This includes targets and beer.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: knockemdown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This past weekend, I sizzled a .172 caliber moly'ed 30gr Kindler Gold clean through 3/8" AR-500 plate. 4100fps muzzle velocity and Exbal tells me impact velocity @ 300yds (target distance) should be around 2935fps. The other two impacts on the plate are fireform loads from the same rifle @ 3700fps...
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If I hadn't have shot it myself, I'd prolly not believe it. These plates have been pounded relentlessly by my 7Wizzer and not affected...
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As the saying goes, "speed kills". I've shot some steel at 300 yards with 190 grain bullets from my .300 WSM that would bang it up, but not shoot through it. Break out the 155's that are moving a good clip faster, and you have holes that look like the bullet never even slowed down before it punched through. I still like my 190's better, but if you wanted to put some holes in steel, those light bullets moving really fast sure do the trick.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WASP7067</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jmorris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is an interesting video of bullets hitting steel both mild and AR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfDoQwIAaXg&feature=channel

You want results like you see between 6:30 and 9:30 in the video. </div></div>

Does anyone know the physics of a bullet going through steel? Does the friction of the impact turn the steel molten allowing the bullet to pass through? Some of those shots make steel look like water with how cleanly the bullet passes through. Just curious. </div></div>

I think that some of the "steel" plates are actually lead plates. The reason that I believe that is some of the ones that the bullets are going through you can see the lead oxide coming from the surface. Lead creates the "splash" look a lot easier, and at a lower velocity than steel. I think the metal plates used that show the bullets opening up like bananas are actual steel, but i'm sure the bullets are going a good deal slower. That's just my opinion though.

I too would be interested in the physics of penetration and see exactly how it's done.

Branden
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vux51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm talking 22 lr rifle on swingers at 50 150 yds. </div></div>

Match .22LR will work even up close on 1/4" or thicker mild steel.

That's why you will see cheap .22LR/BB bullet traps.

I have a .22LR "swinger" than I picked up at WalMart or Gander Mtn. (can't remember which) awhile back. It's soaked up a couple boxes of .22LR and it's just fine. It was cheap enough that I wouldn't even think of trying to make one. When I see them again I will probably pick up 2-3 more.
 
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I've had M855 on 1" steel I-Beam sections at 50-100 yards go right through. Surprised me, didn't think the little 5.56 had it in there. Also had M993 go through 1" (at 100) of a pretty hard piece of steel. M948 went right through it no problem, works a heck of a lot better than M993.