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Iamero

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    Sometimes I just need to shelve my custom rifles and go back to the classics, so I did just that today.

    Over a year ago I slugged my mosin Barrel (ran a lead sinker down to check bore diameter) and it came out at .313”. I bought the largest “match” bullets hornady offered which was the 174gr HPBT .312” bullets. I did an o-give test and found out that in order to touch the lands I was all the way out at 2.47” which left only a few thousandths in the case neck. I did OCW with it which was maddening because across a full grain of powder variance the velocity remained exactly the same (need to labradar it some day to see what it actually ended at).

    At the time the load proved to be pretty decent, with a 5 shot group pinching 3/4”. I figured it might have been a fluke but was content with the results. Well almost a year has gone by and I decided to dust off the back of the safe and get it out again. I loaded up another 5 shots with that recipe and hit the range this evening. 1 shot on steel for cold bore, and then 4 shots on paper at 100 yards.

    I guess what I’m getting at is that it’s crazy how a 70 year old rifle with my DIY gunsmithing can pinch groups as tight as some of my custom rigs. For kicks and giggles I ran the bore scope down the tube. It’s such garbage; but with groups like this, what does it matter?

    Anyone else have an old surplus rifle that surprises them like this?

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    Damn, that bore looks more like burnt wood than machined metal. Its amazing that it still groups like that when the barrel looks that bad. Next time my OCD starts taking over I'm going to come back to this thread so I can be reminded everything doesn't have to be perfect to still shoot.
     
    Haha lucky guess at the name.

    And yea, blows my mind the bore looks like that and still shoots like it does. I’m almost afraid to mess with it but I would like to have a little shorter throat on a new barrel so I’m not seated in the neck so shallow. When I bought that borescope I had to remind myself not to let imperfections scare me if the gun shoots just fine, otherwise I would be scrapping every one of them!
     
    Mosins are much more precise than they have any business being.

    One thing I like about them is that the floating bolt head very rarely makes contact with only one lug.

    I suspect that, were it not for the split bridge design and Russian roots, this rifle design might have more of a commercial following.

    Regards,
    Josh
     
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    I had three, did a project, they all were OK, and became better, too.

    If you've been looking through bore scopes for awhile; it becomes even more surprising how some rifles just shrug off what looks like catastrophic internal damage.

    A new barrel could allay fears, but may or may not improve on the accuracy. My my key concern would be the length of the leade. A .308 bore would not be such a bad idea.

    I used the Hornady 150gr "303" Interlock and 50.0gr of IMR-4064.

    For punkin poppin', also the Hornady 100gr XTP .312 handgun bullet. Musta been going at an astronomical speed. Thwomp! Fun Gun!

    My problem with seating 123gr x39 bullets out quite far was that they didn't have enough neck tension, and ignition was very unreliable. Jump, Schmump; seat them deep enough that they get good neck tension.

    If you haven't yet, look up Smith-Sights.com for articles and videos; lots there, link below. Look up corking when you're there.

    Smith Sights, Anti-Rim Lock, Etc.

    Greg
     
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    Yea I could pick bore diameter when ordering from McGowan and think I’m going .312” again. But that being said, would it make more sense to just go to ..308 and shoot 168amax like my 308 is already using? My concern would be rhat wouldn’t surplus .312” stuff being too tight and cause overpressure?
     
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    If you want to shoot surplus, get a second 91/30 and do the Smith-Sights on that one. The Finns modified 91/30's and had new barrels with tighter bores.

    American 308 bores for 7,62x39 have choked throats to accommodate both 308 and 312 ammo; maybe McGowan can provide similar. My Savage Scout 7,62x39 has this, as do mini-30's.

    Greg
     
    Huh, good to know. Yea, I had a Finnish M39 and should never had sold that. Most remarkable surplus rifle I’ve owned.
     
    That’s what I wondered. I figured I might as well get the barrel on order and then it’s ready to go one this one stops shooting this load anymore.
     
    I just did something very much like that.

    I had bought an AR Stoner 20" Upper, and a 500rd case of Wolf Military Classic Steelcase/Bimetallic Projectile ammo. I then got the willies about shooting all that stuff down a stainless barrel. I then realized an exact replacement barrel was on sale at Midway for less than I paid for the ammo. I bought the barrel and socked it away for whatever....

    Case closed.

    Greg
     
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