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Yes we do! Thanks for posting that up! Now, get ready to answer a bunch of questions about it.Just wanted to take it out and show it to folks that would appreciate it.
1. I haven't shot it (yet). It's too beautiful.Yes we do! Thanks for posting that up! Now, get ready to answer a bunch of questions about it.
1. How well does it shoot?
2. How easily does the scope return to battery?
3. Have you ever taken off the scope and shot it with irons? if so how far?
4. If you feel up to it can you provide detail (closer) pics if needed for the follow-on crowd?
2. How easily does the scope return to battery?
Cplnorton will be able to discuss with a strong research ability.
Its a beautiful rifle.
Do you have more pictures of details.....serial on bolt, bolt raceways, muzzle, serial number.
What was the history of it?
As far as scope returning to battery, I haven't shot it but the recoil spring works pretty good just fiddling around simulating recoil. I do intend to shoot it (someday).Yes we do! Thanks for posting that up! Now, get ready to answer a bunch of questions about it.
1. How well does it shoot?
2. How easily does the scope return to battery?
3. Have you ever taken off the scope and shot it with irons? if so how far?
4. If you feel up to it can you provide detail (closer) pics if needed for the follow-on crowd?
As far as scope returning to battery, I haven't shot it but the recoil spring works pretty good just fiddling around simulating recoil. I do intend to shoot it (someday).Yes we do! Thanks for posting that up! Now, get ready to answer a bunch of questions about it.
1. How well does it shoot?
2. How easily does the scope return to battery?
3. Have you ever taken off the scope and shot it with irons? if so how far?
4. If you feel up to it can you provide detail (closer) pics if needed for the follow-on crowd?
Another "fact" I "heard" was that quite a few USMC scopes never made it beyond the armorers supply. Yes they bought over a thousand of them but not each and every one made it on a team rifle or a sniper 03/Win Model 70.
Possible your scope was new/slightly used/from a training school and never had the spring assembly removed.
Removing it is pretty easy with just two steps that make my heart beat faster but taking it off would not really be necessary as the rifle is its own history.
Another "fact" I "heard" was that quite a few USMC scopes never made it beyond the armorers supply. Yes they bought over a thousand of them but not each and every one made it on a team rifle or a sniper 03/Win Model 70.
Possible your scope was new/slightly used/from a training school and never had the spring assembly removed.
Removing it is pretty easy with just two steps that make my heart beat faster but taking it off would not really be necessary as the rifle is its own history.
That makes a whole lot of sense. Never thought about all that sand. I imagine sand hazard deminished a lot once they got a little inland.Sounds like you did some research beforehand, good on you.
Nice rifle.
Most of the snipers had the spring assembly removed because under 30-06 recoil it becomes a detriment to the life of the reticle cell.
With the recoil spring in place the scope is subject to first the shock of recoil, somewhat subdued by the spring, than probably just as harmful there is the counter shock of the spring powered return to battery.
Without the spring the scope actually floats in space and slips through its mounts while rifle and shooter absorb the recoil force.
Thats one theory and it probably has some validity with a scope that was intended to be used in combat but I dont think Unertl designed his gear with the intent they only be mounted on .22 caliber rifles. Lots of other shooters used these scopes on 30-06 or equally punishing rifles and never had an issue.
Another theory I read about that seems to make more sense is that the removal of the spring assembly eliminated a maintenance nightmare.
Can you imagine the spring assembly filled with coral reef sand? Trying to clean it out, bits of sand getting wedge in the in the spring keepers. Than what happens under recoil as the sand is ground back and forth with the spring into the tube.
Its probably bad enough what sand and debris did in the limited contact areas of the front and rear mounts.
But once inland you would have branches, vines, etc that could easily ruin the spring anyway....That makes a whole lot of sense. Never thought about all that sand. I imagine sand hazard deminished a lot once they got a little inland.
I really have no interest in shooting it due to it's age and condition. But I'm going to pick up my newly built rifle near Ft Stewart tomorrow and the armor is taking me to a range to zero it. So I am taking this one too in case time permits.Very nice rifle. They are fun to compete with too (mine is a replica, so no guilt in shooting it),
https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...age-sniper-match-vsm-pics-from-match.6885147/
That makes a whole lot of sense. Never thought about all that sand. I imagine sand hazard deminished a lot once they got a little inland.
Okinawa 1977-78Not on Pacific Islands. sand was everywhere and if not sand dirt, if not dirt banyan leaves, if not banyan leaves insects...........
Okinawa 1977-78
I still have what the jungle gave me....So than you know real "jungle" is a living, breathing thing that consumes all that enters in.
#2: Sucky. I didn't think to put a little greese on the scope before shooting it today.Yes we do! Thanks for posting that up! Now, get ready to answer a bunch of questions about it.
1. How well does it shoot?
2. How easily does the scope return to battery?
3. Have you ever taken off the scope and shot it with irons? if so how far?
4. If you feel up to it can you provide detail (closer) pics if needed for the follow-on crowd?
I kept forgetting to pull the scope back into battery. Didn't seem to affect my group thought. So when you state "this rifle"; are you giving me history on MY rifle or the one in the photo you shared?This is what positiion the scope is in, usually after 4 or 5 shots without the spring. It will be completely in the forward position.
The Marine snipers were trained to pull the scope back on every shot, just in a fluid motion just like you cycle the bolt.
This rifle is a Marine Special target rifle, a rebarreled NM by the Marines. It would have initially been in the 1935 shipment of 100 NM rifles to the Marines, or the 1936 shipment of 150. As was common most of these team rifles didn't make more than a couple seasons before needing re-barreled, so this one was probably rebarreled at the end of the 1939 or possibly the 1940 season. Though it's very likely it would have been the end of the 1939 season as it seems there was a mass rebarreling of the NM rifles by the Marines around this time. Probably because in the 1940 season the Marines bought their first M1 Garands for the teams and if the 1941 NM season had taken place, all competition would have been with the Garand.
As with many of the photos of these rifles you see in actual combat, the scope is often many times in this forward position. My thought is two things, they are firing so fast they don't have time to pull it back, or two, when you have it in this position it almost acts like a red dot sight. In the fact that the only thing you see is the center crosshairs on a target. So with it this far forward you would be able to scan for targets and then quick put the cross hairs on them. In a jungle enviroment when most shots were less than a 100 yards, I could see this being a viable solution for the 8x scope.
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This is what positiion the scope is in, usually after 4 or 5 shots without the spring. It will be completely in the forward position.
The Marine snipers were trained to pull the scope back on every shot, just in a fluid motion just like you cycle the bolt.
This rifle is a Marine Special target rifle, a rebarreled NM by the Marines. It would have initially been in the 1935 shipment of 100 NM rifles to the Marines, or the 1936 shipment of 150. As was common most of these team rifles didn't make more than a couple seasons before needing re-barreled, so this one was probably rebarreled at the end of the 1939 or possibly the 1940 season. Though it's very likely it would have been the end of the 1939 season as it seems there was a mass rebarreling of the NM rifles by the Marines around this time. Probably because in the 1940 season the Marines bought their first M1 Garands for the teams and if the 1941 NM season had taken place, all competition would have been with the Garand.
As with many of the photos of these rifles you see in actual combat, the scope is often many times in this forward position. My thought is two things, they are firing so fast they don't have time to pull it back, or two, when you have it in this position it almost acts like a red dot sight. In the fact that the only thing you see is the center crosshairs on a target. So with it this far forward you would be able to scan for targets and then quick put the cross hairs on them. In a jungle enviroment when most shots were less than a 100 yards, I could see this being a viable solution for the 8x scope.
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I kept forgetting to pull the scope back into battery. Didn't seem to affect my group thought. So when you state "this rifle"; are you giving me history on MY rifle or the one in the photo you shared?