My Rifle - Whats wrong with my groups? (Pics)

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I will start this thread by a brief background.
We ordered my Remington 700 SPS-V .308 from a shop and had it delivered from a distributor in N.C.

Got the rifle/base/rings and mounted it ( without using a torque driver/wrench.)
Base, i tightened to finger tight, and then some more, but not much more. Lock Tite'd it.
Mounted an old simmons scope that was on my dads 7mm mag onto it, again with no torque driver/wrench. wouldnt hold a group at all. progressively got worse.
So i figured it was the scope. So i ordered my Vortex Viper 6.5-20x50mm Mil Dot from SWFA. Go it along with new 30mm burris XTR Rings. Didnt re mount the base, but mounted the rings to 18-20inch pounds and the rings to base to 60-70 inch pounds using the torque wrench.
Went out and got some shitty ammo, (150gr Winchester Power point (soft tips) and sighted in my rifle) I then shot a group, that i wasnt very pleased with, but with this shitty ammo i was happy. So i waited after the sight in and 1st group's string barrel heat had cooled down. Shot another group (bottom left of the target) It was a few inches right, so i adjusted and it just kept climing right and up.
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All of the shots i took i felt just fine about, i can shoot pretty well, but not amazingly. All shots i practiced the fundamentals, and followed through, Gun has a 3lb trigger on it.
Waited even longer, thinking heat was playing with the barrel (its 35 degrees Fahrenheit. Shot another round at the bottom right, felt great about it, hit an inch right, shot another, a few more inches right, shot another and so on.
So at this point its like deja vu all over again. Im having the same problem i started with.

Shooting from a bench with a bipod/rear bag. 100 Yards, 16x on the scope, good parallax, great eye relief. What the hell is the problem?
I've narrowed it down to a few things, but still concerned.
1. Ammunition. Shitty Winchester .308 Power Point 150 gr.
BUT ive shot this out of my dads 7mm and it shot just fine, 3/4-1" groups at 100 yards out of a deer rifle. Maybe my rifle doesnt like this ammo? But it seems as though it would group in some form or fashion.

2. Scope incorrectly mounted/base incorrectly torqued?
I mounted the scope as best i could, and torqued it to spec.
Base isnt torqued, but i highly doubt i over torqued it.

3. Something wrong with the rifle?

4. Highly unlikely but something wrong with the scope?

My plan of action - Buy some FGMM 168gr and see how it does.
If that fails, Take the gun to a smith to mount everything with the tools i dont have.
If that fails call remington?
 
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could be any number of the aforementioned problems or a combo of several. Check the rings to make sure they are secure, the the base to the action and possibly the action to stock all these can have the effect you saw. Barrel heating up wont cause that much dispersion in the groups. Trying match ammo probably wont hurt, My best suggestion is to just check ALL the screws on the rifle. and go from there
 
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Did you check the action screws? I would remove the action from the stock and clean inspect for proper fit and reinstall and torque the screws.
 
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How far forward is your Bipod? If you load the bipod and the stock flexes a little the barrel could be touching it when it's fired. Floated barrel touching stock when fired... Bad JuJu...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bth87</div><div class="ubbcode-body">could be any number of the aforementioned problems or a combo of several. Check the rings to make sure they are secure, the the base to the action and possibly the action to stock all these can have the effect you saw. Barrel heating up wont cause that much dispersion in the groups. Trying match ammo probably wont hurt, My best suggestion is to just check ALL the screws on the rifle. and go from there </div></div>

everything seems 100% secure.
I mean, the rings are .0001" higher on the the left side than the right, but its next to impossible to mount them perfectly flush.

As for the ammo, i will try this first, and as for the action screws, its hard for me to take it apart, i borrowed a good torque wrench from a friend. I cant see spending 100+ $ on a tool that i'll use limited times.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How far forward is your Bipod? If you load the bipod and the stock flexes a little the barrel could be touching it when it's fired. Floated barrel touching stock when fired... Bad JuJu... </div></div>

Its mounted on the 1st swivel stud on the Varmit stock.
Never really noticed any flex.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SCR308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get some better ammo Match Ammo, and get a new stock, 150 bucks will put you in a Bell&Carlson stock. And look into Relaoding. </div></div>

Thought about getting a B&C Stock, also a good friend of mine will help me start reloading soon enough.
 
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Most accuracy related issues can be traced back to the ammo. WW power point ammo isn’t exactly "Match Grade Ammunition" I'd start with an ammo change.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wnroscoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most accuracy related issues can be traced back to the ammo. WW power point ammo isn’t exactly "Match Grade Ammunition" I'd start with an ammo change. </div></div>

2 things that come to mind when i think about this though.

This gun may not like this ammo, but when i shot it out of my dads rifle it held decent (3/4" to 1" groups)

Now i would figure, if the gun didnt like the ammo it would hold a group, maybe not a great one, but a group. This is just a pattern of movement up and to the right in most cases.
Ordering some FGMM 168gr from Palmetto state armory this week.
 
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I got the sps v as well. Bro I promise you 90% of your problem is that stock as scr308 stated. bedding it will help some but I too would go with a bell and carlson. The other 10% is ammo and the fact that you probably havent had that horrible trigger adjusted yet. just my opinion
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jthoss0837</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wnroscoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most accuracy related issues can be traced back to the ammo. WW power point ammo isn’t exactly "Match Grade Ammunition" I'd start with an ammo change. </div></div>

2 things that come to mind when i think about this though.

This gun may not like this ammo, but when i shot it out of my dads rifle it held decent (3/4" to 1" groups)

Now i would figure, if the gun didnt like the ammo it would hold a group, maybe not a great one, but a group. This is just a pattern of movement up and to the right in most cases.
Ordering some FGMM 168gr from Palmetto state armory this week. </div></div>

Dude I would listen to roscoe. He knows his shit!!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jthoss0837</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How far forward is your Bipod? If you load the bipod and the stock flexes a little the barrel could be touching it when it's fired. Floated barrel touching stock when fired... Bad JuJu... </div></div>

Its mounted on the 1st swivel stud on the Varmit stock.
Never really noticed any flex.
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I think the stock you have is relatively flexible and as such could very well be touching the barrel when the rifle is fired. That will mess with the harmonics of the barrel because it's different each time it touches. Try squeezing the barrel and forearm and see if it's easy to get them to touch. Maybe even put the rifle up on the bipod and pay attention to the forearm-barrel relationship when you get behind it and ready to shoot. I had a Steyr SSG (which is a very good and relatively expensive rifle) that was touching the crappy plastic stock they use and it was producing groups not unlike yours until I figured it out. Not sayin' that's definitely it but after you try better ammo, if it's still spreadin' 'em out you may want to hog out a little more barrel channel or replace the stock.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hyoslvr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jthoss0837</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wnroscoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most accuracy related issues can be traced back to the ammo. WW power point ammo isn’t exactly "Match Grade Ammunition" I'd start with an ammo change. </div></div>

2 things that come to mind when i think about this though.

This gun may not like this ammo, but when i shot it out of my dads rifle it held decent (3/4" to 1" groups)

Now i would figure, if the gun didnt like the ammo it would hold a group, maybe not a great one, but a group. This is just a pattern of movement up and to the right in most cases.
Ordering some FGMM 168gr from Palmetto state armory this week. </div></div>

Dude I would listen to roscoe. He knows his shit!! </div></div>

I know he does! Im just stubborn.
I will change the ammo, and look deeper into the stock, if that doesnt work ill change the stock.
 
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I've taken old surplus ammo and shot it through my Rem 700P and couldn't group better then 1.5 MOA. Depressing when the day before you couldn't make a group larger then 1 MOA. Ammo has a big factor especially when you are shooting shitty cheap ammo. Reloading ammo for your rifle will help a lot. I don't know if you have the equipment, but that can take a factory gun and make it shoot .5 MOA.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jthoss0837</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-108/mcmillan-a5-stock-tactical/Detail

If im going to get a stock, its going to be this one, i dont want to buy the $200 base model, and want the adjustments later on.
B&C tactical medalist a5 </div></div>

Just be aware that stock is a heavy pig. Start with some 168gr FGMM.
 
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Ammo. I have a couple $10k rigs (optics, rifle, etc, total package) that shoot 3 moa when I feed them 3 moa ammo (brown bear.)
 
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from a fellow sps v 308 owner, it is your ammo. you're getting better groups than i get with the power points. i'm lucky to get 5 power points in the center box of your target. the remington core lokts (spelling?) are a little better but don't bother.

GET A BOX OF HORNADY 168GR AMAX AND BE PREPARED TO BE PLEASED!!! i'm not gonna show what mine does, it would be like hearing what happens in a movie before you see it.

as mentioned earlier the b&c medalist stocks are a good investment. if you can spend more on a stock by all means do but the b&c stocks have served me well.
 
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Both primary reasons have been addressed.

Ammo - If you are on a budget, buy the American Eagle 168 grain OTM, it shoots very well, not quite as consistent as FGGM, but can be had for about 16 bucks a box.
Another option is the USA Ammo 168 or 175 grain loads, match bullets loaded in lake city once fired brass. Again, not true "match" ammo, but very good ammo and about 13.50 a box, plus excellent brass.

The Stock: That is probably the only stock made that is worse than the cheap hogue stock on the SPS tactical. Spend the 225 bucks on a B&C light tactical and see an immediate improvement in group size and consistency.
 
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it seems to me that there are alot of people telling you to invest in new stocks and better ammo money money money, as usual throwing money at it will most likely not fix your problem. that being said i own a remington 700 sps .308 i however have the sporter barrel and a nikon on cheap rings and cheap base. lets keep in mind your only shootin 100 yards. i would venture to say your most likely developing a flinch or not paying attention to your heart rate and holding your breath too deep and too long. the ONE thing i would try different is some 175 gr bthp from a good brand. so please i urge you not to throw money at this issue.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: balls2elwall</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it seems to me that there are alot of people telling you to invest in new stocks and better ammo money money money, as usual throwing money at it will most likely not fix your problem. that being said i own a remington 700 sps .308 i however have the sporter barrel and a nikon on cheap rings and cheap base. lets keep in mind your only shootin 100 yards. i would venture to say your most likely developing a flinch or not paying attention to your heart rate and holding your breath too deep and too long. the ONE thing i would try different is some 175 gr bthp from a good brand. so please i urge you not to throw money at this issue. </div></div>

Ive been shooting for several years.
Shot with my dads 7mm Magnum for 2-3 of those when we werent hunting. When we were hunting i was shooting a Remington 7-08. I could consistently hold 3/4"-1" groups all day long.
Under the mental overload of putting the crosshair on a deer i could still manage to think back to the fundamentals of marksmanship and control my breathing, and trigger control.
I've read up more about shooting than i have any other school literature. I've practiced probably more time dry firing with a target set up than i have with live ammo ( saving up $ for scope)
I am a confident shooter. I feel that i can place shots just fine. When I say theres something wrong, there is. Everytime the gun goes off i take a picture in my mind of what it looked like the split second the round went off. I may still have a bit of a flinch, but who doesnt? Its next to impossible to sit behind a rifle, manage the sound/recoil without blinking. I control my breathing to the lowest point of the natural respiratory cycle and squeeze the trigger, I dont hold my breath half way. I follow through after the shot is long gone.
etc etc

I like to keep my money in my pocket as much as possible, so tossing money at it isnt going to be the first thing on my mind. I thought long and hard about the choice for a scope, and im damn glad i did, i was leaning on several choices, but im extremely pleased with the vortex. Im going to try some ammo and see how that works. If i dont see a drastic improvement i'll keep searching for the right solution
 
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well thats awesome that you have that much experience especially with the 7 mm ive gotta admit i hate shooting them because i cant help but flinch lol. if its not shooter error and your scope is torqued to spec the next thing on my list would be ammo like i said but i just cant help but doubt that the winchester ammo you were shooting is affecting it that much at 100 yards. good luck to you i wish i were more help
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: balls2elwall</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well thats awesome that you have that much experience especially with the 7 mm ive gotta admit i hate shooting them because i cant help but flinch lol. if its not shooter error and your scope is torqued to spec the next thing on my list would be ammo like i said but <span style="font-weight: bold">i just cant help but doubt that the winchester ammo you were shooting is affecting it that much at 100 yards.</span> good luck to you i wish i were more help </div></div>

My thoughts exactly.
But if 5+ people here say thats the ticket, one being a very well respected gun smith, and the other having 1st hand experience with the exact same rifle, i have to take their word for it and find out myself.
 
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Like others have said maybe its your stock and ammo,but heres
something else you should check,take your cleaning rod with a tight/snug fitting patch,slowly run it threw the barrel
and see if you feel any rough and or tight spots and also check the outside of the barrel for any low and or high spots
Ive HAD two sps rifles 308 and 708 that had these problems listed above and had groups like yours with match and handloaded ammo
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: M855</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like others have said maybe its your stock and ammo,but heres
something else you should check,take your cleaning rod with a tight/snug fitting patch,slowly run it threw the barrel
and see if you feel any rough and or tight spots and also check the outside of the barrel for any low and or high spots
Ive HAD two sps rifles 308 and 708 that had these problems listed above and had groups like yours with match and handloaded ammo </div></div>

Will do, i cleaned the rifle when i got it to remove the gunk.
Cleaned it after its first shooting session when i found out the scope was bad. Put it away for a month or two.
Thanks for the advice.
 
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You say you have a flinch when you shoot and you blink as well at the moment the rifle fires . I'll say it again ...let someone else fire the rifle who don't flinch or blink
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Did you try moving your head around to check if the parallax on the scope actually matches up to the distance marked on the turret? Aside from that I would say ammo is probably the biggest factor I have encountered in my limited experience. So far I have put 60 rounds of FGMM 168gr and 80 rounds of American Eagle 150gr through my Savage. The FGMM rarely makes a 5 shot group over 1 MOA and the American Eagle is 2-3 MOA almost all the time.
Shooting cheap ammo is more frustration than it's worth in my opinion.
Here's an example. I shot a group with FGMM and then American Eagle. Adjusted the scope then repeated.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PoniesWhee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did you try moving your head around to check if the parallax on the scope actually matches up to the distance marked on the turret? Aside from that I would say ammo is probably the biggest factor I have encountered in my limited experience. So far I have put 60 rounds of FGMM 168gr and 80 rounds of American Eagle 150gr through my Savage. The FGMM rarely makes a 5 shot group over 1 MOA and the American Eagle is 2-3 MOA almost all the time.
Shooting cheap ammo is more frustration than it's worth in my opinion.
Here's an example. I shot a group with FGMM and then American Eagle. Adjusted the scope then repeated. </div></div>

That was one of the first things i did when i got behind the rifle. Parallax was damn near perfect as it can get lol. Moved my head around and saw zero movement between the reticle and the target.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAGUA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Before you do anything let someone else fire the rifle . </div></div>

Lol
Cant believe i looked over this comment.
Cant believe theres only been 2 on this thread.

I first fired the rifle, my uncle who shoots competition fired the rifle, and finally, my dad and neighbor both fired the rifle.
Inconsistent as it has been, same ammo etc.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAGUA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You say you have a flinch when you shoot and you blink as well at the moment the rifle fires . I'll say it again ...let someone else fire the rifle who don't flinch or blink
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I never said that i blink before the rifle goes off.
Im not anticipating the shot and flinching before hand.
Idk about you but 90% of the time i blink out of reaction from an explosion going off 5 inches from my face. Might be because i havent shot 1,000's of rounds, but i think even then i will still blink. I dont get the pussy face and squint my eyes and clinch the trigger. I had a problem with flinch when i was younger, but now its not an issue. That being said the reaction is after the shot is fired. But what do i know? Im just an inexperienced young adult with no experience in shooting any firearms accurately or knowledge of fundamentals.
Thanks. Your attitude reminds me of my relative, who thinks he's the only one that knows what is right when it comes to shooting.
I handed him the rifle, when i received it. I said here, ive heard enough You shoot it, lets see what the hell you can do with it.
Shot just as bad as what came up when i shot it.
Ignorance is something i get offended by, maybe thats a personal problem but you bashing me when i posted in the original post that the rifle has been fired by numerous other people, with the same results, is pretty fucking annoying.
 
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Settle down. We are just trying to help out. If you get offended easily you might wanna sit down and ask yourself if you want people giving you possibilities that so called "hurt your ego" don't post. It's not always the rifle's fault. Human error plays a larger role in shooting then the rifle.
 
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Everyone wanting to attack the shooter is ignoring the fact that he sounds like he knows what's wrong, and he's got two major known weak points in his system: ammo, and the stock. If he fixes both and still has an issue, then it's probably time to look at the user...but when you know for a fact that Factor A is a problem, you need to deal with that first before assuming anything else is wrong.

Personally I've seen Power Point to be 1-2 MOA ammo for me, but assuming the point of aim was the same on every one of those groups, it looks like the zero is wandering around, rather than ammo just grouping poorly. I've got a 700 VTR in one of those SPS stocks, and it's hideously flexible. At least on my VTR, there's actually raised tabs intended to contact the barrel and maintain contact. Took quite a bit of effort to file them down, relieve the stock underneath the barrel, and then stiffen the forend...and it still flexes enough to contact the barrel when you load the bipod up.

My money is on the stock. 10 to 1 what's going on is that you're shifting your position behind the rifle after each group, and it's putting differing pressure on the stock and thus the barrel. Get that rifle into a decent stock, and I'll bet your problem evaporates. The Gold Medal Match is definitely an excellent plan as well, but if the stock is screwing things up you're still going to have problems even with good ammo.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jthoss0837</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAGUA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You say you have a flinch when you shoot and you blink as well at the moment the rifle fires . I'll say it again ...let someone else fire the rifle who don't flinch or blink
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I never said that i blink before the rifle goes off.
Im not anticipating the shot and flinching before hand.
Idk about you but 90% of the time i blink out of reaction from an explosion going off 5 inches from my face. Might be because i havent shot 1,000's of rounds, but i think even then i will still blink. I dont get the pussy face and squint my eyes and clinch the trigger. I had a problem with flinch when i was younger, but now its not an issue. That being said the reaction is after the shot is fired. But what do i know? Im just an inexperienced young adult with no experience in shooting any firearms accurately or knowledge of fundamentals.
Thanks. Your attitude reminds me of my relative, who thinks he's the only one that knows what is right when it comes to shooting.
I handed him the rifle, when i received it. I said here, ive heard enough You shoot it, lets see what the hell you can do with it.
Shot just as bad as what came up when i shot it.
Ignorance is something i get offended by, maybe thats a personal problem but you bashing me when i posted in the original post that the rifle has been fired by numerous other people, with the same results, is pretty fucking annoying.
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If you think my post was to bash you ..all i can say is you must live a charmed life cause you have no idea what bashing is. I wish NOBODY was here.

You made no mention of other people firing the rifle in the OP ...The answer to your problems are in your own post but you don't want to accept it or listen to anyone when they say it might be the shooter.

Good luck
 
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I recently started shooting a 308 Rem 700 VLS that I got about 8 yrs ago. My first trip to the range I had a 10x SS mounted in Leupold rings in the factory laminate stock. I was shooting some Lake City M80 ball that I'd pulled from belts. When you figure the ammo in made to shoot from belt fed weapons you gotta figure it's not gonna throw a tight group, but what I got looked a lot like yours w/o the predictable drift.

I changed to a 20MOA rail (forget who makes it), XTR rings, and got a B&C A2 stock. Torqued everything down with a torque wrench. I don't know what did the trick, but something did. With the same M80 it will shoot about 1" to 1.5" at 100 yds and hold 3" at 200yds.

Assuming it's not an operator problem you might try a stock.
 
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Thanks for the queston, Jthoss. This is why I love the Hide. I've had similar problems with a couple of my rifles and the responces received are really helpful.
 
#46
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I have essentially the same system that you have sanm rifle,scope. My group with the 150's is poor. One thing to consider remove the bipod and shoot off of sandbags. The bipod combines with the solid bench, not to mention the matel stock, all add to the problem with the ammo. You could also try shooting prone on the ground with the bipod. The ground will dampen the vibrations from the bopod.
I just got a B&C A3 stock, and I am looking forward to getting to the range with it.
My groups did improve after removing the bipod. I am shooting consist 1/2 to 3/4 in. groups with Fed match 168G Sierra MK, but at $30 a box I will be loading my own
Brer Rabbit
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: former naval person</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ahem...shitty ammo. You might have answered your question there. JMHO </div></div>

I say this is probably your biggiest problem.. Shitty ammo equals shitty groups..

Try some real ammo, match grade and see what you get.. If that doesnt help which it will at least some then take it to a smith or shop and have them put the rings and base on correctly.. And he might even be able to tell you whats wrong if its something else..

Your stock on your varment is a big pos so that doesnt help you any.. See if you can find aused 700P or go to your shop and pick up a hogue stock that the tacticals use for like $40. They are better than what you have now.

Also if you havnt been shooting long your probably flinching like a mother and slapping the trigger.
We all do it for a long time.. You just have to get use to the shot and get use to shooting. You cant be a sharp shooter over night.. It will take practice or else we would all be shooting the 1k shots.

If none of that listed helps then maybe you found the second bermuda triangle. So never shoot there again.
 
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As stated above I've been shooting for several years. I had a flinch when I first started shooting when I was younger. But now it's little to zero. I don't slap the trigger nor do I hold my breath. I don't close my eyes when I pull the trigger in anticipation of the shot.
Sorry if I snapped a little but assuming that I can't shoot and I'm making
Mistakes that I've worked out long ago is very irritating.
 
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Re: My Rifle - Whats wrong with my groups? (Pics)

I see why someone might say it's me. And it doesn't hurt my "ego" when someone does. It's just I know that it's not. I've shot great groups consistently with a rifle that is more difficult to shoot ( recoil sound stock rings etc )
 
#50
Re: My Rifle - Whats wrong with my groups? (Pics)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jthoss0837</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see why someone might say it's me. And it doesn't hurt my "ego" when someone does. It's just I know that it's not. I've shot great groups consistently with a rifle that is more difficult to shoot ( recoil sound stock rings etc ) </div></div>

I think it'll all be copacetic as soon as you get the FGMM and upgrade the stock...you'll see an improvement to where it needs to be.
 
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