My velocities went to the moon!

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I fired that M1903A3 I bragged to you all about.

Handloaded 100 rounds of 3 different types of bullets and powders, and bought a box of Win Power Point hunting ammo to get "on track" with what velocities would look like coming out of commercially produced ammo. I fired the Winny stuff (didja know you can stuff 6 rounds into a Springfield Rifle?) got a 3" 5-round group with the that stuff (not counting the first round; this would have opened the group to 4.5 MOA). Chrono measured 2948 fps, second round 2977, then 2964... First round (fouler) was slowest, fastest round was 3005 fps. Avg was 2975 and Ex Spread was 57.08, with an SD of 18.84. All seemed ok with typical fouling shot shennanigans.

Then tried my 168 gr. SMK with 47 grains of Varget, which resulted in a 2.83 MOA group. Groups (or my shoulder getting beat to shit) started to open up with increased velocities...

Then things went haywire.

The Chrony started telling me I was seeing 3300, 3400, 3500... I was not getting any overpressure signs (no sticky lifts, no bashed in heads, no case splitting or the like) so I tried my handgun through the Chrony. 1061 fps. Hmmmmm...

I decided that discretion was the better part of valor, and put War Horse down - my shoulder started thanking me profusely.

So I shot my AR, resulting in one .6 MOA group (I swear to God, I have pics of all of this) and the Chrony read 4k! This made me pick up War Horse again and put some rounds out of it; the Winnys were ringing in at 3400 fps - so something was goofy with the Chrony. I later on found out the battery had gone into the 8.47 V range; this is the kiss of death for those things.

Shot my steel 8" target at 100 yards and it knocked it off the stand twice! That .30-'06 hits like a freight train (and your shoulder gets hit by that kind of force too); I'd hate to be on the receiving end of the that kind of firepower.

Poor Japanese and Germans!
 
Re: My velocities went to the moon!

The error on high readings with shadow trigger chronograph due to misalignment of the bullet path and the chrono structure should be

measurement = 1/cosine misalignment angle

So if the chronograph is 15 degrees off the bullet path

feet per second measurement = 1/cos 15 = 103.5%

That can't be it
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Re: My velocities went to the moon!

Get a limbsaver slip-on recoil pad for the 06 and enjoy it. I did this with my grandfather's old model 1917 and can put many rds through it now without developing a flinch. Shooting off the bench with those steel buttplates is suicide.
 
Re: My velocities went to the moon!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uafgrad</div><div class="ubbcode-body">how close were you to the screens?
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I was about 9 feet. The cord was suspended in the air between the Chrony and the bench. I'm aware that if you get too close, you begin reading powder velocities and that will cause you trouble.

The wind was blowing straight at the muzzle, so I figured if anything it would prevent dust, particles, gas etc. from going through the Chrony at that distance.
 
Re: My velocities went to the moon!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Have gotten this type readings from my old chronograph in bright sunlight.
That could have been your problem too.
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Woosh.

That's gotta be it. The sun was in full rage on Friday at Pawnee.

When I got started, the sun was overhead, the battery was "fresher," and the readings seemed normal.

The sun was setting and the Chrony was in line (West to East) with it. That's gotta be the source of the problem, right? I was told by a friend that the shades are just that; if the sun gets underneath them then you'll have problems.
 
Re: My velocities went to the moon!

I've got a trip to Wal-Mart in my future plans today to look at a Pachmayr Decellerator. I'm not blessed with recoil-absorbing pecs, it's all skin and bone, and I have the Yellow Badge of Courage on my right shoulder right now (along with recoil zits, weirdly enough).