Navy “ace” pilot?

[Mendy300wm]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/1...o-landed-damaged-southwest-flight-report.html


Job well done for sure, but isn’t an ace a pilot who has shot down 5 or more in air to air combat?

 

[vh20]

'Sho is.

 

[BoilerUP]

You're talking about the media, here...sensationalized nonsense is what they trade in, especially foxnews.com with their New York Post-style "stories".

 

[Redmanss]

Media doesn't have a clue what an "Ace" is, just like they think a grunt with an ACOG on their M4 is a sniper. She was an F-18 pilot for the Navy, one of the first, including having served as an aggressor pilot for the Navy's "Top Gun". Her service time was before women pilots were permitted to fly in combat, which took place in 1993.

Bravo-Zulu to her for bringing that plane down safely.

 

[diverdon]

It seems like part of the left's drive to change the meanings of words a little at time, so that we well no longer be able to honor true heroes, because they will use the same words to describe ordinary people. Soon we will have Ace teachers, and Ace police officers, and Ace dogcatchers. Fuck that, an Ace is a pilot who has shot down five enemy warplanes in combat.

 

[Srgt. Hulka]

I'm honestly surprised that as many millions of hours of air flight each year, that this doesn't happen more often.

 

[Jethro3898]

If she was an USN adversary pilot, she was a stud (for lack of a better term).
“Ace”, might not be the 100% accurate term, but she sure as crap was the cream of the crop.

 

[mdmp5]

Maybe she was a piece of ace back in the day

 

[Blackedout12v]

Bravo to her, she's obviously got the credentials and know how. But I would be lying if I walked on that plane and she introduced herself and said I'm your captain and have a nice flight, and I didn't think ohhh shit.

 

[diverdon]

Come on this is mostly a media drama. I'm sure she did her job but any pilot who flys one should be able to land a Jumbo on one half the engines.

 

[buffalowinter]

I'm sure no one is more upset about her being labeled an "Ace" than she is.

 

[Handloader]

Maybe she was a piece of ace back in the day

Wow, how sad, I'm not saying you're a dick....but.....

 

[Strykervet]

Aw, you pussies are just trying to keep all the glory to yourself. Everyone knows that a guy that can land a plane is an "ace", every guy who served in the army a "hero" (which has just been downgraded to include Olympic athletes who cut their dicks off and grow tits) and every guy who was 11B was of course an "operator".

Another thing I find amusing is that I'm a hero to one guy based on an accomplishment or act, but once I piss in his cheerios, not only am I now no longer a hero, I'm now a dick. Just went right on past asshole and straight to dick. Wow. That's gratitude for 'ya.

When I quit giving a shit what others thought about me I quit giving a shit about what they thought about each other too. I just quietly sit back and watch, hoping the crazy shit will stay as far away as possible. Jenner is a hero? I guess cutting your dick off and matter of factly throwing it in a dumpster without a second thought is kind of heroic in a way... I couldn't do it, always that chance I may need it one day.

 

[Frankly]

US Airlines didn't have a single fatality all of 2017 so they must be doing something right. It's the safest time to fly because they're all going to be on their toes.

Tammie Jo Schults must have had the Right Stuff back in the day, good for her slugging it out 25 years driving buses and still being sharp.

 

[_Windrider_]

I'm honestly surprised that as many millions of hours of air flight each year, that this doesn't happen more often.

Engine failures happen all the time. whats especially rare about this incident is that it was uncontained. what many don't know is that or modern day engines have a Kevlar shield around the fan section, or N1 section (think the actual fan blade you see when looking inside the engine). the this "shield" is supposed to contain any damage that occurs to the fan blade. Obviously that didn't happen this time, but based on what i know, id venture to guess that this occurred in the internal compression sections or in the turbine sections which don't have the same Kevlar shield. its exceedingly rare that these engines just explode like this. and then to add that someone got sucked out of a window after and explosive decompression.....i see a script in the future for Denzel.

I will reserve my comments about her Navy career and flying abilities. don't know her so i have nothing to say. it was a differnt time when she was doing it.

 

[BoilerUP]

One of the fan blades separated at the fan hub, and while the energy of shedding the blade clearly caused significant damage to the cowl and engine...the kevlar fan shield did not APPEAR to my glance to have been compromised.

That being said, SOMETHING caused that passenger window to come out...and frankly it looks waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too clean for my comfort to simply be turbine blade shrapnel.

If it was a Golden BB or something more discomforting, the investigation will be worth following...

 

[diverdon]

One of the fan blades separated at the fan hub, and while the energy of shedding the blade clearly caused significant damage to the cowl and engine...the kevlar fan shield did not APPEAR to my glance to have been compromised.

That being said, SOMETHING caused that passenger window to come out...and frankly it looks waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too clean for my comfort to simply be turbine blade shrapnel.

If it was a Golden BB or something more discomforting, the investigation will be worth following...

Occam's razor, the engine failed tossing junk causing problems. Anything else is more like a movie than likely real life.

 

[BoilerUP]

Occam's razor, the engine failed tossing junk causing problems. Anything else is more like a movie than likely real life.

While I don't disagree about the simplest answer is typically better...the location of the missing window relative to both fan and turbine sections, along with how cleanly the window is missing, causes me to scratch my head.

 

[Frankly]

What's the story with the lady who was partially sucked out of the window? Obviously no gory photos published but what do you think happened? Should we be thankful she had a bigger caboose than the window and plugged the hole?

Can you imagine sitting next to her? Damn, the remainder of the flight must have been a nightmare. I remember a horror movie that showed people getting turned to goo. Or that Aliens 3 (?) movie where the baby alien got sucked out.

 

[hollowoutadime]

11 rows back from the cowling, that is some bad luck for sure.
I believe a flight attendant was the only fatality on the Aloha flight, IIRC she was sucked out, body never found.

 

[tea&jam]

"A window is breached, a passenger is partially ejected by the decompression and the immediate aftermath is a futile and bloody struggle to save a life.

Then, the aircraft safely lands, complete with passenger selfies.

The Times calls it "twenty minutes of chaos and terror."

Now, repeat that twenty minutes over and over, for hours and days on end and you approach the psyche of a young battlefield warrior suffering from PTSD.

If the passengers of flight 1380 suffer nightmares and worse, what is the fate of the soldiers who physically survive their ordeal and "land" again, selfies or not?

Flight 1380 is light breakfast fare for many who serve our country."

-Eric Lamar, from the NYT comments sections
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/18/us/southwest-plane-engine-failure.html#permid=26794248

 

[mdmp5]

"A window is breached, a passenger is partially ejected by the decompression and the immediate aftermath is a futile and bloody struggle to save a life.

Then, the aircraft safely lands, complete with passenger selfies.

The Times calls it "twenty minutes of chaos and terror."

Now, repeat that twenty minutes over and over, for hours and days on end and you approach the psyche of a young battlefield warrior suffering from PTSD.

If the passengers of flight 1380 suffer nightmares and worse, what is the fate of the soldiers who physically survive their ordeal and "land" again, selfies or not?

Flight 1380 is light breakfast fare for many who serve our country."

-Eric Lamar, from the NYT comments sections
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/18/us/southwest-plane-engine-failure.html#permid=26794248

I have to agree with some of the replies to this comment. It is not a fair comparison to marginalize someone's experience by referencing another's experience as more stressful or traumatic. There is always someone who has gone through more than the next guy. That's like saying to a guy with a below the knee amputation, "hey you are lucky because I know a guy with an above the knee amp", or "you don't know pain because at least you're not paraplegic". It is up to the individual to determine his luck relative to others' misfortune, and if that makes them grateful, then good for them. But that logic coming from an outsider is a bullshit argument and guys like mr Lamar need to shut the fuck up.

 

[diverdon]

"A window is breached, a passenger is partially ejected by the decompression and the immediate aftermath is a futile and bloody struggle to save a life.

Then, the aircraft safely lands, complete with passenger selfies.

The Times calls it "twenty minutes of chaos and terror."

Now, repeat that twenty minutes over and over, for hours and days on end and you approach the psyche of a young battlefield warrior suffering from PTSD.

If the passengers of flight 1380 suffer nightmares and worse, what is the fate of the soldiers who physically survive their ordeal and "land" again, selfies or not?

Flight 1380 is light breakfast fare for many who serve our country."

-Eric Lamar, from the NYT comments sections
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/18/us/southwest-plane-engine-failure.html#permid=26794248

That's all very true but if you are walking through a bad part of town and somebody tries to rob you you kinda expect it, but if you are in your living room drinking a beer with your best friend and he punches you and takes your wallet that's pretty shocking.

 

[mdmp5]

That's all very true but if you are walking through a bad part of town and somebody tries to rob you you kinda expect it, but if you are in your living room drinking a beer with your best friend and he punches you and takes your wallet that's pretty shocking.

This is another good point to invalidate the guy's comment

 

[Redmanss]

That Eric Lamar attention whoring comment is a good example of a bullshit attempt by one group to make something they have zero to do with completely about them. Note the reply to it also bringing school shootings into the PTSD argument. Veterans should be better than that.

 

[tea&jam]

I'm not a vet. I've just had a beer or 2 and am stirring the pot, I mean pit.

@Redmanss, parts of it may be attention whoring, but I do think that pointing out "twenty minutes of chaos and terror" followed by selfies, makes a good point about sensationalism. Good, and very passive-aggressive.

 

[Redmanss]

I find nothing being sensationalized about this being called "Twenty minutes of chaos and terror". Explosive loss of engine and decompression, hard banking, rapid decent, woman hanging half out of the plane and afterwards bleeding out, sounds pretty chaotic and terrifying to me. The only thing I want to have to endure on a flight is a crying child, they at least go away as soon as I put on my Bose headphones and crank up the music.

I've seen plenty of selfies taken post attack while others experience extreme mental trauma, even amongst the best of men. Everyone responds differently to an extreme event, including the one being discussed here, but the fact some shake it off doesn't reduce its gravity for others.

 

[Frankly]

What's disturbing is that someone here reads the New York Times.

 

[tea&jam]

Touche. I like to think I have a pretty broad supply of information sources. I welcome any more newpaper recommendations you have.

 

[Frankly]

Touche. I like to think I have a pretty broad supply of information sources. I welcome any more newpaper recommendations you have.

Just a joke, I'll look at HuffPost or listen to NPR occasionally just to hear their side.

Why conservatives (ie not Rupert Murdoch or the people behind Breitbart) haven't started media companies to serve the 50% of Americans who are Right is beyond me? Seems like an easy sell, if there was a good newspaper or cable channel that was intelligent and professional I'd be all over it as would 50 million others. After all we have a lot of spending money, seems like an obvious business that is under serviced.

Anyway, damn, I just feel bad for the lady and respect for the pilot. And I know I'll have my choice of window seating for the next couple of months.

 

[Sniperwannabee]

Great job on her part! Military pilots are the best!