Navy Seal or is he?

[-Nick-]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roggom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roggom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sure if a guy goes out in public wearing a uniform and Trident, or starts a web page with all his BS stories, then he gets all he deserves. If the guy in question keeps it in the family, so should his confrontation be.

Some men can brush it off, some will eat a 1911. As long as OP is cool with either scenario. </div></div>

That's retarded... So it's ok as long as they only lie to the people who are the closest to them? And please point out an example where someone had stolen valor and upon their outing they opted out. If someone's retarded enough to lie to their own family then eat a bullet because the truth came out then I guess I'm a dick for thinking 2 words... Natural Selection. </div></div>
http://www.cnn.com/US/9605/16/boorda.6p/

Look, you do not have to agree with me, you only have to go on one call to pick up the little pieces of a Marines skull, or pack and wrap a sailor who has hung themselves. Had a Senior Chief cut his own stomach open because he got passed over for Master Chief(selected then pulled by his skipper) etc etc.
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Been there, done that, and even had to clean what left of his head off of the chair so the family could deal with his estate. You're being on scene of a suicide does not make you special or give you any insight to a persons psyche.

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We all have a need for approval, if we didnt these boards would not exist. Guys would not post pics of their rifles and groups and all that. Now some folks take it to the extreme and create lies to fit in, some tell these lies so long that they start to believe them as truth. It sickens me to listen to a pathological liar, and no I do not think it is right for this guy to BS his family.

<span style="color: #FF0000">One sec... I'm exhausted from typing ROLMAO over and over. You really think everyone on a forum is here to seek approval? That's so weird because I thought many of us come here to learn and entertain ourselves. You have some of us confused with the basement arm chair samurais. If I want to seek approval for anything I'm gonna go to my Wife or God because in reality they're the only approval I need. It helps that I don't lie to either of them in order to get that approval so I'm not compelled to suck a bullet for the discovery of all that deception to the people I'm closest to.

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As a leader I have always learned to praise in public and punish in private. If this guy only bragged to a close network of people, then why humiliate in front of the whole world. If he made these claims to the public, then he is responsible to the public.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Well lucky for him that he's neither his Boss, his President, or even his fucking Cub Scoutmaster so he doesn't have to approach it from a "leadership" role.</span>

It is just the way I think and the way I led. We all can not think the same as there would be no balance. In the end it is up to OP to decide what to do.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Why is it above you say "As a leader" (present tense) and below "the way i led" (past tense)? And as a leader whether past or present you should be able to distinguish the difference between assistance and leadership... the OP asked for assistance.</span>

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[-Nick-]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulL01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One thing for sure.
Jesse Ventura <span style="color: #FF0000">was</span> awesome!
The man ain<span style="color: #FF0000">'</span>t afraid to speak<span style="text-decoration: line-through">e</span> the <span style="color: #FF0000">truth even when it's total bullshit and completely disrespectful</span>.
Had to get that o<span style="text-decoration: line-through">g</span><span style="color: #FF0000">f</span>f my chest

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Fixed it for you...

 

[cavemanmoore]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #FF0000">One sec... I'm exhausted from typing ROLMAO over and over. You really think everyone on a forum is here to seek approval? That's so weird because I thought many of us come here to learn and entertain ourselves. You have some of us confused with the basement arm chair samurais. If I want to seek approval for anything I'm gonna go to my Wife or God because in reality they're the only approval I need. It helps that I don't lie to either of them in order to get that approval so I'm not compelled to suck a bullet for the discovery of all that deception to the people I'm closest to.

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I have no dog in this fight, nor did I serve in the military. But, that may be the single greatest post in the Bear Pit. Brilliant humor, blatant common sense, and meaningful reflection, all rolled in to one. Well done, Sir!

 

[roggom]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

Ok, I will keep it short as to not detract the topic any longer.

Broker: if you go back and read you own post <span style="font-style: italic">"... if you find out he's a fake then what? How much do you like your GF cause there's no positive ending once you out him..."</span>

You will see that my original point is similar, I only took it a step further in mentioning other possible scenarios (suicide). In the end, if the guy gets called out there may be some long felt resentment in that family against OP.

You asked for an example of a person who "opted out",and I provided such an example. I did not have to search for it, as anyone who served in the 90's should remember ADM Boorda. Instead of addressing my example you proceeded with your fallacious ad hominem rant in an attempt to continue arguing.

As for the need for approval, I did not just make that up, it is Maslow. Hence your "FLAME ON! Human Torch" red font and the use of "you" and "us" in your reply. The funny thing is caveman comes right along and validates my point "<span style="font-style: italic">...that may be the single greatest post in the Bear Pit...</span>" "<span style="font-style: italic">Well done, Sir!</span>"

Now back to OP and his dilemma.

 

[-Nick-]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roggom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, I will keep it short as to not detract the topic any longer.

Broker: if you go back and read you own post <span style="font-style: italic">"... if you find out he's a fake then what? How much do you like your GF cause there's no positive ending once you out him..."</span>

You will see that my original point is similar, I only took it a step further in mentioning other possible scenarios (suicide). In the end, if the guy gets called out there may be some long felt resentment in that family against OP.

You asked for an example of a person who "opted out",and I provided such an example. Instead of addressing my example you proceeded with your fallacious ad hominem rant in an attempt to continue arguing.

As for the need for approval, I did not just make that up, it is Maslow. Hence your "Human Torch" red font and the use of "you" and "us" in your reply. The funny thing is caveman comes right along and validates my point "<span style="font-style: italic">...that may be the single greatest post in the Bear Pit...</span>" "<span style="font-style: italic">Well done, Sir!</span>"

Now back to OP and his dilemma.

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See this is where you think your experience as a hospital corpsman makes you a psychologist when you're simply trying to read into it to prove your point. In fact if anyone is seeking approval its you. I asked you to provide an example of someone being outed and then offing themselves, not someone who only committed suicide, and you provided no example of that. <span style="color: #FFFF33">As for the red,</span> <span style="color: #FF99FF">it's so you can see the</span> <span style="color: #33FF33">response easier and red is the</span> <span style="color: #66FFFF">color most easily recognized</span> <span style="color: #FF9900">contrasting color to the human eye</span> and easily readable. As for the use of "you" and "us" its called grammatics and proper use there of when describing a party to a conversation... not some deep desire to win your approval and acceptance which I'm sure you yearn for.

"Now back to OP and his dilemma." - That's your attempt to end a discussion that's going very poorly on your part

 

[roggom]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

Adm Boorda was outed by Newsweek magazine regarding two ribbon devices(Combat V) for "valor" he supposedly earned in Vietnam. He then shot himself; he was Chief of Naval Operations at the time.


Also "you" and "me" are party to your sidetrack discussion not "you" and "us".

Cmon man, really... keep digging.

 

[-Nick-]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roggom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Adm Boorda was outed by Newsweek magazine regarding two ribbons for "valor" he supposedly earned in Vietnam. He then shot himself; he was Chief of Naval Operations at the time.


Also "you" and "me" are party to your sidetrack discussion not "you" and "us".

Cmon man, really... keep digging. </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roggom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We all have a need for approval, if we didnt these boards would not exist. Guys would not post pics of their rifles and groups and all that. </div></div>

You added the Boorda while I was responding, so nice try but that was not in your OP. Further, you made a general comment towards all users of forums, and the "us" was in reference to the forum users and not you. Again, who's really seeking approval since you keep trying to somehow connect yourself to me? No means no, lol...

 

[Ultraman550]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

Anybody who impersonates a United States man/woman of the military should be imprisoned for a year or put through training camp and not allowed to leave. I'm not in any branch but my respect for those who are is indescribable and to devalue their time away from family and friends, sacrifice of body and mind, hard work and the selfless act of putting their lives on the line for us is a criminal act in its own.

 

[roggom]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

No I posted the Boorda link in my original response, you also quoted it in your "red letter rant". The need for approval is innate and natural human response, if you ever studied Maslow you would understand.

Not trying to seek your approval, I only pointed out that we both had similar posts and you just like to argue. Its ok, you can keep going on and on and on and on and on...

"Connect yourself to me, No means No" lol, nice projection.

 

[-Nick-]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roggom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No I posted the Boorda link in my original response, you also quoted it in your "red letter rant". The need for approval is innate and natural human response, if you ever studied Maslow you would understand.

Not trying to seek your approval, I only pointed out that we both had similar posts and you just like to argue. Its ok, you can keep going on and on and on and on and on...

"Connect yourself to me, No means No" lol, nice projection. </div></div>

I stand corrected on the Boorda link as I see it now, but as for the "red letter rant" you're an idiot if you didn't get why it was typed in red. It's obvious you think your time as a corpsman quantifies you as an online psychologist, but contrary to your assumption I get to hear more about psychology on a daily basis then you've probably experienced in your existence. Maslow's theory is exactly that... theory. It also does not apply that every action is done so based upon some desired need for approval. Like when I tell you you're full of shit, it's not because I want your acceptance or approval as I could really care less, but in fact because I an independent thinker care not.

I find it amusing how your trying to relate us as having agreeable posts. And again with the statement of hopeful belief that I want to project myself onto or in you... You might want to read some Frued about that since you're repressing feelings of a desire for acceptance by other men. Just sayin...

 

[cavemanmoore]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roggom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As for the need for approval, I did not just make that up, it is Maslow. Hence your "FLAME ON! Human Torch" red font and the use of "you" and "us" in your reply. The funny thing is caveman comes right along and validates my point "<span style="font-style: italic">...that may be the single greatest post in the Bear Pit...</span>" "<span style="font-style: italic">Well done, Sir!</span>"</div></div>

Obviously the red font was there to make it easier to read.

Since when does using a witty response during a discussion count as seeking approval from one's peers? Perhaps your motivation for all communication is to seek the approval of others. But that doesn't make it so for the rest of us.

 

[roggom]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

Ok..ok...its alright....

I am not posing as an online Psychologist, these theories are common knowledge and taught everywhere from high school to business productivity seminars. Also its qualify, not quantify.

It is sad that your rebuttal to my projection statement only further validates the point.


You can stop at any point. You will only get this thread locked and I am curious if the original guy in question is legit or not. I will concede per Prov 26:4

 

[-Nick-]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roggom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok..ok...its alright....

I am not posing as an online Psychologist, these theories are common knowledge and taught everywhere from high school to business productivity seminars. Also its qualify, not quantify.

It is sad that your rebuttal to my projection statement only further validates the point.


You can stop at any point. You will only get this thread locked and I am curious if the original guy in question is legit or not. I will concede per Prov 26:4 </div></div>

First, look up the definition of theory.

Last... I have a real hard on for assholes that throw bible verses out in an argument. As a Christian that is NOT appropriate and a weak move by an even weaker person that would attempt to use God's word to shut someone down which God would NOT approve of. I'm guilty everyday of not being on the mission like I should, and I'm aware that I sin a LOT... but the one thing I don't do is abuse God's word, and I expect the same from those around me. I'll gladly recuse myself now since your not worth the waste of perfectly good oxygen at this point...

 

[roggom]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

You are correct, that was a low blow and in ill taste, I apologize to you and the forum.

 

[H5N1]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

To the OP: they are correct in the fact there is likely no good out come for you.

This idea that we should not call out imposters because it might upset them to the point of suicide is lunacy. If the said person is a pathological liar its just a function of time before his bubble gets popped anyway. So why let him steal valor from men who have earned it in the mean time?

The SEALs I know are heroes & have made huge personal sacrifices for this country.We owe it to them to not tolerate the pissing on the Trident they earned just to keep some liar from crying.

 

[Va_Gentleman]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

Just my $.02; but when I have talked to people that have "been in the shit", they usually said what rank they were and where they went. (Mostly WWII and Vietnam)

They never ever went into specifics and always seemed to have wet eyes when they recalled something about where they were. To them, the specifics are just indecent to discuss and painful to remember.

That's usually a cue as to whether someone is the genuine article.

 

[Defcon424]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

I have a close friend who's father says he was on the original SEAL team one and two. I never doubted him altho he doesnt seem to mind telling stories about killing guys . Is it normal for former SEAL's to recount their "glory days"

 

[nashlaw]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

Last year, the local newspaper did an article on Warren County residents that had served in Vietnam. One gent claimed to be a Marine sniper. He said he liked using an Enfield because .303 ammunition was much easier to come by. I know very little about smiling in Vietnam or anywhere else, but it sounded funny to me. I never followed up on it.

 

[Indiansinger]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

No one would believe that Mr Rogers from the children's show was a former Navy Seal with lots of kills in Vietnam. You can't always judge a book by its cover. Walk softly in your quest for conformation.

 

[shankster..]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Roger C. Carpenter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No one would believe that Mr Rogers from the children's show was a former Navy Seal with lots of kills in Vietnam. You can't always judge a book by its cover. Walk softly in your quest for conformation.
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<span style="font-weight: bold">That's because Mr. Fred Rogers never served in the military. Period. LOL at the irony as it relates to this thread.</span>

http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/mrrogers.asp

 

[RADcustom]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Roger C. Carpenter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No one would believe that Mr Rogers from the children's show was a former Navy Seal with lots of kills in Vietnam. You can't always judge a book by its cover. Walk softly in your quest for conformation.
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<span style="font-weight: bold">That's because Mr. Fred Rogers never served in the military. Period. LOL at the irony as it relates to this thread.</span>

http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/mrrogers.asp </div></div>

I heard it was John Denver.

 

[shankster..]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Roger C. Carpenter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No one would believe that Mr Rogers from the children's show was a former Navy Seal with lots of kills in Vietnam. You can't always judge a book by its cover. Walk softly in your quest for conformation.
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<span style="font-weight: bold">That's because Mr. Fred Rogers never served in the military. Period. LOL at the irony as it relates to this thread.</span>

http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/mrrogers.asp </div></div>

I heard it was John Denver. </div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">Another urban legend. LOL.</span>

 

[fw707]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Roger C. Carpenter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No one would believe that Mr Rogers from the children's show was a former Navy Seal with lots of kills in Vietnam. You can't always judge a book by its cover. Walk softly in your quest for conformation.
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<span style="font-weight: bold">That's because Mr. Fred Rogers never served in the military. Period. LOL at the irony as it relates to this thread.</span>

http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/mrrogers.asp </div></div>

I heard it was John Denver. </div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">Another urban legend. LOL.</span> </div></div>

Captain Kangaroo wasn't on Iwo Jima either.

 

[cavscout1983]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roggom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Between this and the PTSD thread, please enter reality. If the truth drives someone to suicide, then well, maybe they're needing to hear it more than not; a good pat on the head can do them no good when they're diving deeper into the fantasy world of " I was X" when they were really Y, Z, or back around to B-- never being Alpha.

Approval, or need for it, when it enters the realm of abject lying, is no excuse to not call out the BS. Especially when it's stealing the valor of good and honorable men; even more so when it's stealing from a family the chance to face this obstacle and negotiate it towards better days and healing from this man's inane bullshit-- if it is inane bullshit. </div></div>

Maybe you have not read my posts.

My points are:

--Provided OP the resource to verify if the guy in question is legit or not. One that does a weekly online VLOG on calling scumbags out in front of actual Teams.

-- Pathological Liars make me sick, I see them at every American Legion or at the gun shows. Those who steal Valor are the worst scum.

-- Having served and retired as a US Navy Hospital Corpsman and have seen first hand the after effects of suicide, some for deep mental issues, others for trivial girlfriend problems. It is one thing to read about it and another to pick up the pieces. In a suicide there are ALWAYS more than one victim.

-- My concern is not for the scumbag who is stealing valor, it is for OP and if he is fine with potentially having blood on his hands by outing someone on the whole internet. Do you think the family will be inviting OP over to Christmas dinner to celebrate the guy who outed their family member and embarrassed the whole family. If you read my posts you will see that my focus is OP and his decision to proceed.


None of you have to agree with me, I am not trying to convince any of you to think the way I do. We are all free to say and write what we want, but we are accountable for what we convey.

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No, Doc (forgive me, as I do not know your rank to address you properly per your service-- thank you for that), I have read your posts.

The issue I took is the insinuation was made that perhaps this should be considered with the understanding he might suck-start a pistol. OK. But if the truth coming out is what drives someone to suicide, that is the choice of the person killing themselves. I do not advocate taking out billboards over this issue in context, but once the determination is made that the person in question is lying he needs to be confronted and the truth laid out so healing can begin. It's a real shit sandwich when in the future this man passes (non-suicide, etc) the family goes to get "US Navy SEAL", or another indication of service in said capacity, on his headstone (which isn't cheap), calls the Navy and requests SEAL presence or recognition of SEAL service, and then the Navy lets the family know that ain't kosher.

Better to let the healing begin now.

 

[shankster..]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

I heard Freddy Mercury and Richard Simmons were in the Navy.

 

[Polytrauma]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

I heard <span style="font-weight: bold">Freddy Mercury </span>and Richard Simmons were in the Navy.

Wrong band Dude!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw

Funny thing is the NAVY was going to use this as recruiting commercial but decieded it was to gay!

 

[roggom]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

CS: completely agree with you.

As for Freddy and Richard in the Navy, even if they weren't, there were plenty of wog queens to take their place.

The Navy was like the vid above ^^^, but it is more like this now vvv. Started getting grey hair in my 30's lol. Lots of kids in the Navy, but most will always "snap to" when the mission requires it.

Warning, profanity in the video. Might not want to click it in the wrong company.

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[klf]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I heard Freddy Mercury and Richard Simmons were in the Navy. </div></div>

Yea, Richard would bite the end off the sub and Freddy would suck out the seamen.

 

[Va_Gentleman]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

Wasn't Hendrix in the 82nd or was it the 101st

 

[cavscout1983]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VA Gentleman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wasn't Hendrix in the 82nd or was it the 101st</div></div>

101st... didn't exactly click well with Army service and was discharged early.

 

[slowkota]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

So OP... Whats the verdict?

You can't just post that, and then leave us hanging!!!

 

[leprechaun]

Re: Navy Seal or is he?

Yep We would like to know