Nazis were Socialists- NOT right wingers

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Hitler, Mussolini, the Nazis, were all SOCIALISTS and Fascists- both are Leftist and overlapping.


Hitler and the socialist dream

He declared that 'national socialism was based on Marx' Socialists have always disowned him. But a new book insists that he was, at heart, a left-winger
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

www.forbes.com

Obama, Hitler, And Exploding The Biggest Lie In History

It's false to equate Fascism with the Right.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com

Adolf Hitler’s Debt to Karl Marx - Quadrant

This week, when people who should know better were marking the birth of modern Communism's founder, his socialist heirs were flinging the standard slur that conservatives are 'Nazis'. To find the Austrian Corporal's real legatees they should look much closer to home
quadrant.org.au quadrant.org.au




 
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Name calling and blame shifting at its finest; sadly, it’s working with their willfully ignorant voting base. I’m definitely very conservative, but I’m about as far away from a nazi as one could be and I don’t appreciate democrats labeling me as one.
 
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KYAggie said:
Name calling and blame shifting at its finest; sadly, it’s working with their willfully ignorant voting base. I’m definitely very conservative, but I’m about as far away from a nazi as one could be and I don’t appreciate democrats labeling me as one.
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Then tell everyone you know.
 
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SQ54 said:
Tell it to the dead people.
en.wikipedia.org

Mass killings under communist regimes - Wikipedia

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You just linked mass killings by communists. Fascist, communist, socialist all bad but all different. The guy even starts the video out with he will stand corrected. It is his view of how a part of socialism pertains to the Nazi Party. The only thing socialist about the Nazis was you get special treatment based on your specific race.
 
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Isaiah's Blacksmith said:
You just linked mass killings by communists. Fascist, communist, socialist all bad but all different. The guy even starts the video out with he will stand corrected. It is his view of how a part of socialism pertains to the Nazi Party. The only thing socialist about the Nazis was you get special treatment based on your specific race.
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They are not “all different”. They are all the same. And they all killed people.
 
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Emerson0311 said:
It sure would short circuit 50% of Canadian voters to admit their stated ideals are the same as Hitler’s. Therefore they lie to themselves.
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Ask any leftist to name anything the left offers that isn't based on avoiding personal responsibility and/or getting free stuff, and watch them vapor lock.
 
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Socialist is literally their name...

National Socialists.

They were full on Socialists, just their idea was that only one specific ethnicity mattered and all the rest were trash.
The rest of the humans were not worthy of the glorious socialist utopia... kind of sound familiar??

Make no mistake about it, in their domestic policies they were hardline Socialists wanting top-down government control of everything just like all good socialists, they just called their gulags "Concentration Camps", but it was the same idea if you look at Stalin or Mao or many others, send the undesirables off to be worked to death.
 
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mcameron said:
the confusion come from the lack of distinction between European and American standards for LEFT vs RIGHT.

per Wikipedia:





and under the European standard....the Nazis were, what you would call "right wing"....



the problem is when people try to equate that to the American standard for LEFT vs RIGHT....which is not compatible at all with the European standard.

under the american standard the Left is generally characterized by:
  • internationalism
  • top down govt control
  • equity
  • privilege's granted by govt
and the right is generally characterized by:
  • conservatism
  • equality
  • limited govt
  • nationalism
  • rights existing outside of govt

according to the European standard, if you take things to their extreme, on the left, you end up with a traditional liberal republic....and on the right, you end up with essentially fascism.

but under the American lens, if you take things to their extreme, on the left, you end up with oppressive communism....and on the right, you end up with anarcho-capitalism.


and all you really need to do is look at the "extremist groups" for each party to see this......American left wing extremist groups are BLM and ANTIFA, both hard core Communist parties.......American Right wing extremist groups are Tea Party and 3%ers, both hard core libertarian parties.
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2The heart of the wise inclines to the right,

but the heart of the fool to the left.
 
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Even if the Nazis were right wing 80 years ago in Germany, it doesn't really say much about right wing Americans in 2021. The last I checked, people can form a dangerous religious zealotry around anything and do horrible shit on it's behalf. Right now, it looks like the recipe for Nazis is brewing on the left and it's disturbing how many don't think it can happen here. Fun fact: Many other countries beat Hitler to the whole eugenics thing, including the US. In the 20's it was regarded by many to be the "progressive" thing to do and luckily our forced sterilization programs aren't what we're known for today, unlike the National Socialists of Germany.
 
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Nazis were a whole different animal. They were ultra-nationalists, socialists and tyrants. They would have the Reich rule the world and would have executed all non-Germanic people, after they were burned out from slavery and torture. Stalin killed more than Hitler, but he didn't have his sights set on the world. It's always been fascinating to me how the Nazi's blamed Jews for the consequences of German imperialism.
 
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The Nazi's were kind of a 'how it started/how its going' meme.

They started as National Socialists which ironically, is a much more respected format than what most of Europe currently is, as they are full on socialist, yet nationalism is deemed as racist.

Overall, not horrible depending on how the socialism is 'managed' and what type of government representation you actually have. Not saying I want any of this shit, but, its not the worst thing either.

At some point this boiled over into full blown fascism, which is much different and much worse in every way. The thing is, most people look at Nazi Germany as national socialists yet then reference all of the aspects of fascism and think they are the same thing/related.
 
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TheGerman said:
The Nazi's were kind of a 'how it started/how its going' meme.

They started as National Socialists which ironically, is a much more respected format than what most of Europe currently is, ironically, as they are full on socialist, yet nationalism is deemed as racist.

Overall, not horrible depending on how the socialism is 'managed' and what type of government representation you actually have. Not saying I want any of this shit, but, its not the worst thing either.

At some point this boiled over into full blown fascism, which is much different and much worse in every way. The thing is, most people look at Nazi Germany as national socialists yet then reference all of the aspects of fascism and think they are the same thing/related.
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Was that tipping point a year into the Four Year Plan, annexation of Austria? Or after the success in toppling the weak Weimar with votes, violence, and outright assassinations? Was there even one definite point?
 
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Middle Man said:
Was that tipping point a year into the Four Year Plan, annexation of Austria? Or after the success in toppling the weak Weimar with votes, violence, and outright assassinations? Was there even one definite point?
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I'm not sure. There wasn't a set 'oh we're fascists now' announcement.

I think it tied itself to the centralization of power of the NSDAP leadership where they kind of just started getting away with things, got enough power/control and then were magically part of a fascist dictatorship and just kept going.

A mile is made out of very many inches.
 
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Isaiah's Blacksmith said:
Please stop referencing Wikipedia. I'm an editor and can plant Lamont Sanford did it or was involved in most anything.
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I agree with you in so far as Wikipedia really shouldn't be relied upon as reference material.

It is worth pointing out that the TIK video, being the second video posted by the OP, utilized 115 sources. I'll put them here for you to review.

Did you actually watch the full video?

TIK has another video explaining the difference between Fascism and NAZI's. Equally well researched with sources provided and probably should be watched first as it is helpful to assist in understanding the central definitions of the debate. This video utilized 105 sources.

It should be noted, that TIK's work is peer reviewed regularly. Feel free to comment on his video's should you feel that you found a hole in his logic or material presented. He is pretty good about responding to legitimate comments and will provide clarification as it is warranted.


 

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It was all a lie to get white boys killing each other in the millions, over two thousand years they’ve been feeding you this lie.

Throw down your fake book and false god and return to the Pagan Gods.
 
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SQ54 said:
Democrat propaganda for the last 75 years has portrayed NAZI’s/fascist’s as right wing in order to deflect that away from them. The NAZI’s proclaimed to the world that they learned everything from American progressives, aka democrats.
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Again....Duh

It is like saying Water is Wet.........

Anyone that doesn't know that is either stupid or a socilist......... National Socialist Party (NAZI)
 
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mcameron said:
[...] American left wing extremist groups are BLM and ANTIFA, both hard core Communist parties.......American Right wing extremist groups are Tea Party and 3%ers, both hard core libertarian parties. [...]
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The Tea Party aren't extremists by any objective measure, and if there were right wing equivalents to BLM and ANTIFA we'd see many videos from different American cities of those alleged right wing groups committing arson, murder, sex assaults, shootings, stabbings, armed robberies, at the same rates as those by Antifa and BLM.

Do you consider ANY and ALL pushback by normal patriotic Americans against ANTIFA/BLM to be 'right wing extremism' ?

I'm trying to understand your perspective...
 
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