Neck trimming?

richidaho

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I'm shooting .308 what should the neck wall diameter be? Should I trim all to the same size or just measure and sort. How accurate should the sizing be? How much improvement will you get with all this neck trimming. I just wonder it seems a lot of work.:D

Thanks,
Rich L
 
Are you talking about neck turning? Trimming brass does not affect neck wall thickness

I'm pretty sure the OP means "neck turning", i.e. removing excess brass from the neck wall in order to get "consistency" in neck thickness,... and that's really the word-of-the-day: "CONSISTENCY". There really isn't a prefered wall thickness. A lot of variables can come into play, (brass thickness, brass consistency, chamber dimensions, desired neck tension, etc.) and depending on who you talk to and your desire to fiddle with it, you can go hog-wild tweaking neck thickness and neck-sizing to get the perfect combination of neck-tension, and wall-thickness for your load and chamber,... at least in your opinion. ;)

Again, reloading quality ammo is all about consistency and getting uniform wall-thickness from turning the necks is another step you can take to achieve it. What exactly does neck-turning achieve? Well, it primarily allows for consistent neck-tension on the bullet, thereby allowing for a consistent release of the bullet, thereby potentially tightening up the SD of your shots. I guess a case can be made for it also improving the concentricity of the bullet when seated, thereby making the engagement of the bullet into the lands more consistent, but measuring that is all but impossible (impractical).

I've turned my fair share of necks over the years and while it's not difficult to do, it's necessity for accuracy, at least in my practice, is a variable I'll only consider when certain criteria are met. In other words, will the investment in time and effort, not to mention money, be repaid in enough added accuracy given the intended purpose of the rifle and components I intend to use.

For me personally, I'll only turn necks if the rifle is intended for benchrest or F-class (long range shooting for group/score type accuracy), or if I have a barrel with a tighter chambering (only had that on one benchrest rifle) that will only chamber thin-necked cartridges. If the rifle is for shooting in the field, i.e. practical competitions with the occasional poke out past 1000-yards, just getting quality brass that is known to have consistent (enough) necks from the likes of Lapua or Norma is usually all that's necessary. If all I can get is crappy brass that is showing to have really inconsistent necks, I "might" consider turning them, but only after I've given the stock setup a thorough testing for accuracy. If they just aren't shooting the way I want them to, or I see occasional fliers that weren't caused by me, I "might" do it. Even then, I've found that neck-turning has more to do with my own peace of mind than on the accuracy it achieves, YMMV.

Ry
 
Buy K&M neck turner and skim your necks.Anneal first. Make a difference? All about uniformity. Did this to 3k of 223 brass to shoot 53gr Sierra.Wonderfully accurate.
 
308 is not cartridge I would recommend neck turning, reason why is most chamber reamers have a .342 or bigger neck, that is a lot of expansion for little gain IMHO.
 
15 thou and yes, it is LC brass. Doing an experiment, going to shoot M118 clone with neck turned, flash hole uniformed, primer pocket uniformed, sized back 2 thou, vs my normal load without the neck turn, primer pock uniform, flash hole uniform.
 
15 thou and yes, it is LC brass. Doing an experiment, going to shoot M118 clone with neck turned, flash hole uniformed, primer pocket uniformed, sized back 2 thou, vs my normal load without the neck turn, primer pock uniform, flash hole uniform.

Range report on these, please. I am curious what you find out.
 
Neck trimming?

15 thou and yes, it is LC brass. Doing an experiment, going to shoot M118 clone with neck turned, flash hole uniformed, primer pocket uniformed, sized back 2 thou, vs my normal load without the neck turn, primer pock uniform, flash hole uniform.

I did a similar test and didn't see any difference. Actually the rounds with no extra case prep had a lower SD with a difference of 3 fps. I don't turn necks on .308 though.
 
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15 thou and yes, it is LC brass. Doing an experiment, pgoing to shoot M118 clone with neck turned, flash hole uniformed, primer pocket uniformed, sized back 2 thou, vs my normal load without the neck turn, primer pock uniform, flash hole uniform.
I'm just getting into reloading .308, curious of your results as well. Keep us informed with your results!
 
Thank you all for the input I did mean "neck turning" . Sorry if anyone got confused; mostly me.lol... I bought 100 Lapua brass the other day. I think I will load and shoot. See what happens. About the same cost for 100 count of good brass vs cost of neck turner and die.

Thanks,
Rich L
 
May I ask what discipline are you shooting? Unless you are shooting VERY good groups every group, turning the case necks or not won't be noticed. If you are shooting 6" groups at 200 yards, you're wasting your money, at least right now. If that's the case you just need more trigger time.

If you are shooting 1/2" groups at 200 yards on every target, or even half your targets, you can gain by trimming your case necks. I have 4 neck turning tools. I favor "The Pumpkin". But practice with other types will help. Like most other things, experience brings perfection.
 
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I am shooting one ragged hole mostly at 100, all my rifle are custom barreled except one and its a savage 5 r and shoots as good as the custom barreled ones, I have OCD so I am just looking to shoot a smaller ragged holes.

May I ask what discipline are you shooting? Unless you are shooting VERY good groups every group, turning the case necks or not won't be noticed. If you are shooting 6" groups at 200 yards, you're wasting your money, at least right now. If that's the case you just need more trigger time.

If you are shooting 1/2" groups at 200 yards on every target, or even half your targets, you can gain by trimming your case necks. I have 4 neck turning tools. I favor "The Pumpkin". But practice with other types will help. Like most other things, experience brings perfection.
 
I'm currently shooting just under 3" groups at 200 meters. I just loaded up my first 10 shells with Lapua brass and will go try them tomorrow and see how they shoot. I had this gun custom barreled first of the year and have been working up loads this spring. Hear in SE Idaho its just starting to get nice outside. This will help me get out and shoot more. I personally think most of my problem has be a lack of power selection. I have been using H335 and have not had a chance to buy any other for the last few months. What are some of you-alls favored powders for .308.

Thanks,
Rich L
 
Well went out yesterday and shoot first 10 with Lapua brass at 100 meters. Tempter: 52 f, BP: 25.02 in/Hg, Wind: 6-10 mpg, NE. I had 10 left over Winchester brass to do a caparison. The load is H335, 40.3g, 185g, Berger VLD. This is clean bore shooting have a bad habit of cleaning my gun's. The barrel is 1-8, 26" long and the average muzzle velocity is 2522 ft/s (20 shot avg). I had a very nice group with both set of brass. Made one big hole for each group Lapua brass was a bit better then the Winchester but not much. The Lapua was just a bit bigger then a quarter. The Winchester brass had 4 shots that made it 1/2 dollar size. I will take out camera next time and calibers. I did have 5 total operator error/clean bore shots out of the 20. Any pointers would be helpful.



Thanks,
Rich L