Rifle Scopes Need a Nightforce dealer who deals

[Evolution 9]

I want to buy two 3.5-15NXS with NP-R1, HS, ZS scopes, and I'd appreciate help finding a dealer...

I am a capitalist, so I expect the dealer to make money on me, but I won't put up with BS like, "we can't make a package deal for two scopes because of MAP".

MAP= minimum ADVERTISED price.

I know the markup, and there is plenty in there for me to get a deal and the dealer to make plenty too, so if anyone knows a dealer who would rather sell me two scopes at a good price than zero scopes at full price, please shoot me a PM.

Thanks guys

 

[vman]

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Good luck.

This aint Thailand.

 

[coldboremiracle]

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With a reputation like that of Nightforce, their scopes are in high demand. I don't think any dealer has a problem moving them, therefore I don't think you'll find someone in a hurry to give you any discount. I could be wrong. . . . . . . .

 

[Timo Turl]

Re: Need a Nightforce dealer who deals

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Evolution 9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am a capitalist,</div></div>

More like an optimist. Might be better to work the wts section if a bargain is what you are after.

 

[Turk]

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Better luck trying to get 2 Ferrari's at a discount!

 

[CSTactical]

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At this time Nightforce’s lead-time is 13 weeks so dealers are going to have a hard time getting the scopes and a hard time keeping them on the shelf. We received around 10 units last week and now we are sold out. We have more on the way but they are getting spoken for really fast.

Mike @ CST

 

[ranger1183]

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best deals you might find are the used optics for sale. Good luck!

 

[SKS Guy]

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Try Euro Optics. They treated me right.

 

[buckey]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SKS Guy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Try Euro Optics. They treated me right. </div></div>

+1 = Alex and his staff are great to deal with!!!

 

[Dagsta]

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Try Jay here on the Hide at SportOptics!! Great people to deal with!! He goes by Opticsspecialist here!!

 

[ORD]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Buckey</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SKS Guy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Try Euro Optics. They treated me right. </div></div>

+1 = Alex and his staff are great to deal with!!! </div></div>

One more vote for Alex and Euro Optics!!

However, if you are thinking that you are going to get some knockout deal like a "Buy One, Get One 25% off..." FORGET IT! If that is what you are looking for, buy used from any one of several trusted members here who have NF scopes for sale in the Optics For Sale section and be done with it.

 

[DamnYuppie]

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If they are selling out so fast a dealer would be stupid to give you a mark down on the second one. Why give you 25% off when they can just sell it to someone else for regular price? Capitalism is all about effective allocation of resources and free markets, none of that has anything to do with getting good deals or discounts for multiple purchases...

I do agree that you will find good deals in the WTS section of this site. Here was one just posted this morning:

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2465133#Post2465133

 

[samnev]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dagsta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Try Jay here on the Hide at SportOptics!! Great people to deal with!! He goes by Opticsspecialist here!! </div></div>
+1 for Jay & Sport Optics.

 

[BCP]

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Pm some of the dealers on this site (sportoptics, europtic). They might be able to do something for you.

Also, I'd drop the "...I'm a capitalist and I demand a discount on my 2-scope bulk purchase." That isn't going to get you anything except laughter.

 

[E. Bryant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SKS Guy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Try Euro Optics. They treated me right. </div></div>

I'll add another vote for Alex and Euro Optic. He indeed has treated me well during my dealings with him.

 

[aggiesig]

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supply and demand...

last time I checked for most high end optics manufacturers:

supply is low & demand is high

you don't have much leverage bud...

 

[Opticsspecialist]

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as others have said, nightforce is running a 13 week lead time. i know a lot of people are out, we've been keeping scopes in the hopper, so we're still sitting ok, tons on order.

lets just say now isn't a good time to find deals, some people are out of nightforce all together.

 

[00bullitt]

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As noted on here that Nightforce has a current lead time of 13 weeks and dealers are selling there inventory pretty much as fast as they get it in. Nightforce also enforces a strict MAP policy(as the OP knows). They frown heavily on dealers selling below MAP and most dealers don't want to put there ability to sell Nightforce in jeopardy. Nightforce has done a good job protecting the integrity of their product and maintaining profitability for their dealers through enforcement of their MAP policy. Nightforce's goal is for there not to be a a search for the best price but rather a search for who has the product that the customer wants in stock.

 

[Stealff]

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Since your in central Idaho, why not drive over to Nightforce HQ and see what kind of deal they can give right there.

 

[fw707]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stealff</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Since your in central Idaho, why not drive over to Nightforce HQ and see what kind of deal they can give right there. </div></div>

That's a good idea!
And make sure you tell them you don't want to hear any of that BS about their "MAP pricing".

 

[nesikabay]

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Save your money why get 3rd grade scope save your money get a MARCH or a SB <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Evolution 9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I want to buy two 3.5-15NXS with NP-R1, HS, ZS scopes, and I'd appreciate help finding a dealer...

I am a capitalist, so I expect the dealer to make money on me, but I won't put up with BS like, "we can't make a package deal for two scopes because of MAP".

MAP= minimum ADVERTISED price.

I know the markup, and there is plenty in there for me to get a deal and the dealer to make plenty too, so if anyone knows a dealer who would rather sell me two scopes at a good price than zero scopes at full price, please shoot me a PM.

Thanks guys </div></div>

 

[Rthur]

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Thats kind of funny Nesika, this third grader is perfectly happy with his.

Rthur

 

[lightman]

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I'd PM Jay.He treats Hide members right.Nightforce controls their prices pretty tightly,dealers don't have as much room to deal as most think.Jay is GTG. Pete

 

[Evolution 9]

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Thanks for all the helpful replys and PMs!!!!!!!! It looks like I'll be taken care of, and a dealer will make some cash

Wow, never thought an unwillingness to listen to lies could prompt some of those responses. As background, I called a couple dealers and was told they "couldn't because of MAP". That is patently false/ BS. If they don't want to, good for them, that is also capitalism, just be honest. MAP, by Federal Law can ONLY regulate ADVERTIZED price.

Again, thanks for the help!!!!!!!!!

 

[00bullitt]

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Can you point me to where federal law states such?

 

[Papagallos]

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PM Mike or Mason at CSTactical. They have been great at answering some of my questions in relation to my needs in a scope. They are great people to deal with.

 

[parkze17]

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It is probobly true that they could sell it for under MAP, but if they did it NightForce would have the right to remove them as a dealer IM sure. Not that they would find out about the price unless it was posted by someone or they advertised it under the MAP. Like people were saying they sell as soon as they come in so would you want to take that chance of losing the sales that come with being a NightForce dealer?

 

[Asm1]

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best bet other than the used scopes ..just PICK your dealer of choice and roll..

Marsh1 on the hide is a great dealer with good service not to be overlooked..

 

[Evolution 9]

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Thanks, guys,

As stated above, I have been contacted by several dealers willing to help, so I don't need to look for used ones, and arguments about why dealers wouldn't want to help me obviously don't hold true.

As to referencing a law, Google price control laws in the US.

Thanks again!

 

[JSTARSZ]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Evolution 9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks, guys,

As stated above, I have been contacted by several dealers willing to help, so I don't need to look for used ones, and arguments about why dealers wouldn't want to help me obviously don't hold true.

As to referencing a law, Google price control laws in the US.

Thanks again!

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well I am in the exact same boat as you and looking for almost the same scope - I am buying a scope and give some of the dealers around here my danger pay for the last 6 months

I have been looking at scopes for the past two months and waiting for an opportunity; however, unless I find one in the used section it seems that I will have to pay MAP prices. I guess when you have a good product it kind of sales itself.

I have a 223 build by Small Action Customs (Mark Gordon) coming complete in May/June time frame and am looking for an optic for it. I am looking hard at Nightforce with the NPR1 reticle MOA/MOA. I need to get on the stick and start talking to dealers I guess. Good luck with your optic when you get it.

 

[E3C3H3O3]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: aggiesig</div><div class="ubbcode-body">supply and demand...

last time I checked for most high end optics manufacturers:

supply is low & demand is high

you don't have much leverage bud... </div></div>

+1, exactly what he said, when supply is low and demand is crazy high, the chances of you getting a discount on anything is slim to none, Good Luck

 

[aggiesig]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Evolution 9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks, guys,

As stated above, I have been contacted by several dealers willing to help, so I don't need to look for used ones, and arguments about why dealers wouldn't want to help me obviously don't hold true.

As to referencing a law, Google price control laws in the US.

Thanks again!

</div></div>

Just make sure you post the dealer that made you the deal as well as the price you got it at.

Then it becomes advertised and all the competing dealers break there fingers dialing their nightforce reps number too hard reporting the offending one, and there's a shitstorm to follow.

 

[dwt]

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LOL , the way those things sell ,you will be lucky they don't raise YOUR price because of your broadcast ?

 

[Evolution 9]

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E3C3H3O3, Read my post, I don't need luck, I got the deal.

Aggie, No, I won't post that, and NO, that would not meet the definition of "advertised" price.


This site is a GREAT resource, but really, guys, MAP is a way around a law, and I am just getting around MAP. If that bothers anybody, they should go to a country that allows price fixing.

 

[OpticsPlanet]

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Unfortunately, MAP is not the sole issue. In order to become a dealer for many products, you must agree to the terms set forth by the company. This often includes: No Discounting of Products, among other things, such as export, etc.

George P.

 

[limited_10]

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I purchased my New Night Force from Bear Basin, but also picked up two others off the used section on this site, they all work great!

 

[limited_10]

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I purchased my New Night Force from Bear Basin, but also picked up two others off the used section on this site, they all work great!

 

[stefan73]

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Good for you!

 

[JSTARSZ]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Optics Planet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Unfortunately, MAP is not the sole issue. In order to become a dealer for many products, you must agree to the terms set forth by the company. This often includes: No Discounting of Products, among other things, such as export, etc.

George P.</div></div>
I have to say as an avid shooter I am starting to get a little ticked off by no sales attitude. There are lots of optics in the market place and although I wouldn't mind having a NF I am open to other optics that may be more flexible in their approach to the market place. Yes, they do have a good product but that will not sustain you forever as others move in a re-invent themselves – Vortex and bring items to the market place that are a very reasonable price for what you get.

 

[Toddcal13]

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Jay at sport optics

 

[califflash]

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I'll take a risk and jump into the fray. Technically there isn't a law against one or more companies agreeing to a set regulated price (a.k.a. price fixing). However, common law (the court room) has decided that current anti-trust law covers price fixing as well. There are a couple of exceptions, music industry prices for airing a song on the radio for instance. I believe the land mark case was with 3 grain elevators in the mid west that were trying to control the price of grain in an area during the depression.

Now this is where it gets fuzzy. Technically a dealer can't sign a contract saying that they will sell at MAP. They could sign something that they won't sell something below MAP, but that could get the manufacturer in trouble for manipulating prices. More likely the contract says something like the manufacturer will terminate the contract if it is found that the dealer is openly dealing below MAP, leaving some wiggle room for the law.

Now that that's out of the way.

In America if you want something you can go after it. At the same time in America you can't just expect a hand out, forgotten sometimes I think. If you want something of quality typically you have to pay for it. And despite what you think 2 scopes is not worthy of a "cut me a deal" discount, 10 maybe, especially with the market characteristics currently. That being said, call around and find the best price and buy the thing. Or you could actually learn to haggle, which typically does not start with "I want you to cave on your price."

 

[Evolution 9]

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Good post, and thanks for clearing up MAP a little for people.

Now to the rest,

"2 scopes not worthy of discount" Well, obviously, the dealers disagree with you (I'm getting a deal).

"10 maybe" That is enough to become a dealer, so no MAYBE about it.

"you could actually learn to haggle..." Read my post. I don't have trouble haggling, I was having trouble finding a DEALER who is willing to/ knows how/ etc. so the haggling process couldn't even start. This thread fixed that, so thanks again guys!

Again, if nobody was willing to make a deal, good for them, that's fine. Just don't lie about it saying you "can't". Life is too short to take BS from people.

 

[TravisB]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Evolution 9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good post, and thanks for clearing up MAP a little for people.

Now to the rest,

"2 scopes not worthy of discount" Well, obviously, the dealers disagree with you (I'm getting a deal).

"10 maybe" That is enough to become a dealer, so no MAYBE about it.


Sounds like your over budget and need to buy a lesser quality scope.

"you could actually learn to haggle..." Read my post. I don't have trouble haggling, I was having trouble finding a DEALER who is willing to/ knows how/ etc. so the haggling process couldn't even start. This thread fixed that, so thanks again guys!

Again, if nobody was willing to make a deal, good for them, that's fine. Just don't lie about it saying you "can't". Life is too short to take BS from people. </div></div>

 

[TravisB]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Evolution 9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good post, and thanks for clearing up MAP a little for people.

Now to the rest,

"2 scopes not worthy of discount" Well, obviously, the dealers disagree with you (I'm getting a deal).

"10 maybe" That is enough to become a dealer, so no MAYBE about it.

"you could actually learn to haggle..." Read my post. I don't have trouble haggling, I was having trouble finding a DEALER who is willing to/ knows how/ etc. so the haggling process couldn't even start. This thread fixed that, so thanks again guys!

Again, if nobody was willing to make a deal, good for them, that's fine. Just don't lie about it saying you "can't". Life is too short to take BS from people. </div></div>




Sounds like your over budget. Maybe you need a lesser quality scope.

 

[vman]

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[Turk]

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Not kool!

 

[neeley205]

Re: Need a Nightforce dealer who deals

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: aggiesig</div><div class="ubbcode-body">supply and demand...

last time I checked for most high end optics manufacturers:

supply is low & demand is high

you don't have much leverage bud... </div></div>

This. . .

Why should he cut off 3-400 on the price of two optics when he can sit by the phone for a couple more hours and sell them both for full price? After all, the buiseness is a capitalist enterprise themselves. Take a look around, the mid to high level optics field isn't exactly struggleing.

Besides, if you walked into my shop and posed the question to me like that, I wouldn't cut you an inch of slack.

 

[Evolution 9]

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Travis, you are funny

 

[KillShot]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Evolution 9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Travis, you are funny

</div></div>


And YOU are being a troll.

 

[vman]

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LOL

I guess im harsh when it comes to this sort of stuff as I have a friend who is an absolute tight ass of a guy, and really it shits me to no end and is one of his WORST qualities. Especially when he has the money there in the first place.

Examples include
- Allowing others to fork out thousands for his and his Mr's airfares, and taking months to pay it back.
- Spending an hour on the phone trying to score free tickets to events instead of paying like the rest of the "normal" citizens
- Getting angry at friends for not giving him "mates rates" like its his right to receive cost price

Yet at any given opportunity he will try to scam anyone he can including his own friends.

Lets just say, he hasnt gotten around to buying his first firearm yet because none of the dealers will barter with him. The norm is, it just doesnt happen in that industry.

But if you have had success then good on you.