Need Your Thoughts: Please Help

[sterlingp]

Hello guys, Mounted my Z Comp527 in a Spuhr 6002, 1.5 in. Does this appear too high?
This is a MTU contour barrel in a MDT ESS chassis. Spuhr makes a 1.18 in high as well.

Your thoughts?

I bought the mount used from a fine SH subscriber today.
Thanks, And Regards
Paul

 

[RedRockCharlie]

Do you have a photo or two?

 

[Evolution 9]

There’s no picture for us to make a judgment on.

Regardless, the old idea that there’s some meaningful advantage to mounting the scope as low as possible is just that; old. It makes sense on some 22s for close range gopher hunting, but otherwise it’s an outdated and meaningless concept.

If you’re happy with the height then keep your current mount. There’s literally nothing at all that a lower mount will do for you.

If you’re trying to align optics like clip-on night vision, or if you’re really against adjustable comb stocks or something, then scope height might be an issue.

 

[ACard]

There’s no picture for us to make a judgment on.

Regardless, the old idea that there’s some meaningful advantage to mounting the scope as low as possible is just that; old. It makes sense on some 22s for close range gopher hunting, but otherwise it’s an outdated and meaningless concept.

If you’re happy with the height then keep your current mount. There’s literally nothing at all that a lower mount will do for you.

If you’re trying to align optics like clip-on night vision, or if you’re really against adjustable comb stocks or something, then scope height might be an issue.

^^^ This

 

[Baron23]

So there has been a bit of discussion on the board lately about the "old legacy idea" of keeping the scope as close to the bore as possible.

For me, its not really an outdated idea but my desires for mounts as low as I can get them and still have clearance between the bell and the barrel is more about fit than being close to the bore.

I'm a long former time skeet shooter and we are nuts about gun fit as our eye is the rear sight, if you will, and benefits from being properly placed....which of course includes height so you can see over the damn receiver.

I have consistently needed a very high comb on these shotguns to see over the action.....1 1/4" Drop at Comb. That's high...look at factory shotgun stock specs to compare.

So, now I'm old and like trying to stay still more than swinging a 10 lbs shotgun 400 times in a tournament and am now shooting scoped rifles and enjoying it.

I have two rifles, both in JAE chassis which do have adjustable combs for height. Even with the lowest ARC rings that would give me clearance of the barrel (1.10" Med rings) I have to crank my comb up very high in the allowable adjustment to get my eye at the proper height. 1 1/2" high mount???.....I don't think I would ever be able to get properly behind the scope.

Personally, I think that once past getting enough height to clear the barrel, then its really up to the configuration of your individual face. Some need high, some not so much.

I just have very high fashion, runway model, cheekbones!!! Don't hate me because I'm beautiful!

 

[Nik H]

Keeping the scope close to the bore-line is a horribly outdated requirement. Previously, stocks did not offer an adjustment for cheek rest height. Modern chassis do and it is advantageous to use a cheek rest height that keeps your head upright so you don't get fatigued. When you do, you will find that a 1.5" mount generally is optimal. I use this height mount on all of my sticks.

Much of this can be found in the lessons that Frank offers that you can access if you are a supporter.

 

[Baron23]

you will find that a 1.5" mount generally is optimal. I use this height mount on all of my sticks.

Maybe for your face, mine…not so much

 

[Nik H]

Maybe for your face, mine…not so much

If your big head is upright at a different height, then good. If not, then you'll find out in September.

The point that we are being taught is that the height of the cheek rest and the position of the rifle in your shoulder relative to your centerline should keep your head upright and your neck muscles relaxed. Keeping your scope bell close to your barrel is a useless idea.

Moreover, your shotgun position and experience has little bearing to shooting a rifle from the prone position.

Furthermore, if you are using any sort of NV or thermal clip on, they are generally calibrated to a height of 1.5" so if your optics mount is at a different height, your NV or thermal will not be aligned properly and introduce errors when mated to your dayscope. The only exception that I know of is the UTC-X clip on which I think requires a height of 1.32"

I would spend less time in the Pit

 

[MarinePMI]

 

[pineoak]

Keeping the scope close to the bore-line is a horribly outdated requirement. Previously, stocks did not offer an adjustment for cheek rest height. Modern chassis do and it is advantageous to use a cheek rest height that keeps your head upright so you don't get fatigued.

I find myself to be more consistent with a more upright cheek weld.

1.375" works well for my ergos. I use 1.5" as well with no issues.

If running a can, helps to have your scope a bit higher than lowest possible to get the glass a little further away from the heat source. That first 1/4" above a can usually has a bit more mirage. With a scope cover sometimes as well, as the heat doesn't just get trapped, it comes out the front or barrel side minimally depending on your cover.

 

[OREGUN]

I use a 1.5” Spuhr with my ZCO 527 and love it. Even a 1.25” feels too short now On my other scopes. Upright head, center of eye instead of peering out through an eyebrow…all that.

Id likely switch mount brands so I could stay at 1.5” if I had to.

Try it for awhile At least before you second guess the choice.

 

[MarinePMI]

If he ever runs an AT-X, it'll feel even shorter with that action buried into the chassis.

 

[4O6shootist]

I run an at high rail, 1.5" mount with a zco420 on my atx. Bore height is near 2.8" works great. Have a zco527 in a 1.5" mbrace on my lone peak fuzion prs rig. I still run my cheekpieces low as possible as i prefer a vertical eye alignment and just use a jaw weld vs cheek weld to the stock. I shoot much more comfortably this way.

 

[Maggot]

Keeping the scope close to the bore-line is a horribly outdated requirement. Previously, stocks did not offer an adjustment for cheek rest height. Modern chassis do and it is advantageous to use a cheek rest height that keeps your head upright so you don't get fatigued. When you do, you will find that a 1.5" mount generally is optimal. I use this height mount on all of my sticks.

Much of this can be found in the lessons that Frank offers that you can access if you are a supporter.

I have to chime in. I bought a set of low ARC rings and have trouble with my Howard Leight 'ear's' hitting the comb and pushing he protection up so the loud bang gets in. I want to try some 1.5", or a riser.

 

[pineoak]

Depending on the length of your face 1.35 might work as well.