But no. They had to create Quebec Biker War tier casualties.
Like a bunch of Richard Jewells that got hired.
Like a bunch of Richard Jewells that got hired.
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Thats because you jumped in the middle of a conversation yelling and screaming. Not aware of the specific topic. I wasn't talking about the Documentary, at that point.This was not the documentary. This is 60 minutes from years earlier. I will stand by what I said, nobody in the netflix documentary said that they dividians set the fires except the fed bois.
I wonder why this guy wasn't interviewed for the documentary. I'll look into him. I suspect his story has changed many times over the years.
Thats because you jumped in the middle of a conversation yelling and screaming. Not aware of the specific topic. I wasn't talking about the Documentary, at that point.
But now that you mention it they did record the voices of the guys yelling burn it, as they had micro phones monitoring the property, which was mentioned in the documentary.
That ground you are standing on... seem to be quick sand. Let me know if you need a rope.
You're so fill of shit homey. Read that shit. That's your Australian boy in 99 saying something totally different under oath, recounting his testimony from 93. He said he thought he heard someone say something.
At that point he had been sitting in prison for 6 years. After changing his story, his sentence was reduced significantly. Hmmmm
The warrant was for the compounds address.
Not just Vernon.. should call him by his real name... I keep forgetting he was using an Alis
So they are running around the building with gas cans... The building was obviously burned with a accelerant.
You're so fill of shit homey. Read that shit. That's your Australian boy in 99 saying something totally different under oath, recounting his testimony from 93. He said he thought he heard someone say something.
At that point he had been sitting in prison for 6 years. After changing his story, his sentence was reduced significantly. Hmmmm
Did the warrant specify VernKor could be arrested only at the compound?
After 7 pages of reactions here... Its no wonder this country has slowly lost its gun rights. What a shit show.
You guys might wana get it together.
The Founding Fathers are the government...You're a lot more trusting of the government than the founding fathers.
The Founding Fathers are the government...
Did you get your answers on the warrant??I swear, it's like I'm taking to my democrat BIL.
You're a lot more trusting of the government than the founding fathers.
swear, it's like I'm taking to my democrat BIL.
They had tons of fuel in the building. One reason they were able to hold out so long was that they had fuel and generators. You thought all of those lights were on inside for 51 days because the atf forgot to turn the power off? They were preppers way before it was cool. That was why the ATF was there to begin with. You aren't allowed to buy loads of firearms and ammo to prevent the government from doing exactly what they did.So they are running around the building with gas cans... The building was obviously burned with a accelerant.
But your conclusion is they didn't burn it... You are not the sharpest tool in the shop.
Sounds like he got what he wanted.They had tons of fuel in the building. One reason they were able to hold out so long was that they had fuel and generators. You thought all of those lights were on inside for 51 days because the atf forgot to turn the power off? They were preppers way before it was cool. That was why the ATF was there to begin with. You aren't allowed to buy loads of firearms and ammo to prevent the government from doing exactly what they did.
Wanna hear something interesting? Koresh told them the entire time they were prepping that the government would eventually show up and try to kill them all. Well, maybe he was a prophet.
That is one of the most brilliant things I have heard you say. Bravo!!gun control was founded in racism, no secret there. That is the angle to fight the lefties but we're collectively stupid
Is there really anyone here that doesn't think OP is a fed?
Good grief, this is what the Ignore function is for. PLEASE USE IT.
Liar!View attachment 8118571
FBI And Other Agencies Paid Informants $548 Million In Recent Years With Many Committing Authorized Crimes
The FBI spent an average of $42 million a year on confidential human sources between fiscal years 2012 and 2018.www.forbes.com
That would be my point. I don’t understand why many can’t see that there is more than option 1 he was evil and the government was right, or option 2 your a David fanboy. Option 3 is he was probably guilty concerning underage girls, and that the government especially was a murdering group of bastards that day. I say probably guilty of sex crimes only because they burned him and most of the witnesses alive before they could have a trial. Let’s review:The glowniggers pumped so much CS into the compound it gave children seizures, so hard that it broke their back. I’ve seen the pictures it’s not speculation. No, I will not post them. David Karesh was not a saint, but none of them deserved to go out in hell fire caused by our government.
Did you get your answers on the warrant??
2 times I tried to tell you it was for the address and you didn't seem to hear it...
The warrnet wasn't for Vernon... it was for the cults compound.
Yeah, I don't remember the part in the Bible where Jesus said stockpile weapons and fight the man.Somebody here doesn’t know how religious cults work…
They weren’t “hostages” they were brainwashed to believe that this dude was the second coming of Christ. I guess that’s “Christianity” to some of you. I’m sure it’s all a conspiracy and they were just good ole’ Christian folk who were 2A martyrs. Yep that’s more believable.
Somebody here doesn’t know how religious cults work…
They weren’t “hostages” they were brainwashed to believe that this dude was the second coming of Christ. I guess that’s “Christianity” to some of you. I’m sure it’s all a conspiracy and they were just good ole’ Christian folk who were 2A martyrs. Yep that’s more believable.
Religion NEVER gets used to justify a charismatic cult leader’s personal wants. Never. This dude was obviously the second coming of Christ. The Feds just don’t want you to go to heaven so they perverted this clear incarnation of God’s message.Yeah, I don't remember the part in the Bible where Jesus said stockpile weapons and fight the man.
Religion NEVER gets used to justify a charismatic cult leader’s personal wants. Never. This dude was obviously the second coming of Christ. The Feds just don’t want you to go to heaven so they perverted this clear incarnation of God’s message.
Repent you foul sinner!
Just in case it wasn’t clear, my comment wasn’t directed at you.Fuck the adults. I'm more concerned with a fed agency having a hand in killing kids that did not decide to be there. Don't care who started the fire. According to the experts here,the ATF knew what to expect. Rather than pick up Koresh away from the compound and try to negotiate with someone possibly less "committed," they tried a frontal assault. Either they're stupid or little kids are acceptable collateral damage...or both.
It was/is the same shit in iraq/afgh/Yemen/Middle East. The “leaders” keep the followers ignorant on the actual text and then “interpret” it for them to direct the followers to do what they want. This has been going on for thousands of years.That's the problem. People follow a religion...not to be confused with God.
Have you heard these people speak... the ones who survived are still committed to this very day.Fuck the adults. I'm more concerned with a fed agency having a hand in killing kids that did not decide to be there. Don't care who started the fire. According to the experts here,the ATF knew what to expect. Rather than pick up Koresh away from the compound and try to negotiate with someone possibly less "committed," they tried a frontal assault. Either they're stupid or little kids are acceptable collateral damage...or both.
In their state they would have seen everything he said coming true. These cats were brain washed, heavilyPure speculation, but it is very possible that an arrest of Koresh would have been viewed as literally the kidnapping of Christ to his followers. This is how they viewed him. If Christ were to return and the government kidnapped and imprisoned him, how do you think the devout Christian’s of this country would react? Would you just calmly turn yourself over? Or would you fight?
Food for though, speculation as stated.
Right, every time someone on here posts “ hE pReDiCtEd ThIs WoUlD hApPeN!In their state they would have seen everything he said coming true. These cats were brain washed, heavily
There is a reason he weaved the story he did, because he knew he was on the wrong side of the law.
30 years after they created their own apocalypse... the rest are still here and the world is still turning.
Have you heard these people speak... the ones who survived are still committed to this very day.
I don't think it would have mattered, they could have arrested him on the moon. And those at the compound would have still fought, they definitely would have been on alert/defensce had he been arrested making getting into the compound a fight.
If you wana talk mistakes, I think the mistake they made was going along with the raid after the element of surprise was lost. Just as arresting him would have lost that element.
I personally feel the arrest Vernon out side the compound is a failed plan too.
From your link...Didn't try so we'll never know.
Back in '91.
Not clicking that battle damage analysis link.
I already have detailed files on it.
We just got hacked by Russia today. Russians are getting angry. Hacking everything at maximum speed.
From your link...
At 12:07 p.m., the Davidians started simultaneous fires at three or more different locations within the compound. This was established by a team of independent arson experts; by video shot from an aircraft utilizing Forward Looking Infrared Radar (FLIR) technology; by observations of FBI agents who saw an individual appearing to light one of the fires; by statements from survivors admitting that the Davidians set the fires; and by [material redacted as required by statute). The fires rapidly engulfed the compound in flames and smoke.
At approximately 12:25 p.m., the FBI agents closest to the compound heard what they described as "systematic" gunfire. Many agents believed at the time that those inside were killing themselves, killing each other, or both.
The remains of 75 individuals (50 adults and 25 children under age 15) were recovered in the ruins of the compound. At least 17 of those individuals died of gunshot wounds, including several children. Another child was stabbed to death. In addition to the 75 persons who died during the April 19 fire, five other bodies, all with gunshot wounds, also were recovered. Those five bodies were of the Davidians presumably killed during the February 28 shootout with the ATF. Some of those five bodies showed evidence of having been shot from inside the compound. At least one of those five bodies showed evidence of suicide.
--------- Likely would have resulted in a similar action------------
They Suicided themselves.
Had they handled this like big boys, they'd still be alive and likely been out of prison years ago.
Just found a video from the Waco region.
Thinking about getting back into high school chicks myself.
100% legal. That's why I moved here in '91.
That’s the damned truth, everyday on here I see another gun that I want to buy or build.I'm not positive, but I think I may have been brainwashed by the Sniper's Hide cult. I wake up everyday wanting to buy another gun and some more ammo.
You’ve been misled. They’re supposed to be, but instances like this and recent ones will show you they’re not held to hardly any standard at all.Maybe I've been mislead, but I thought LE was held to a higher standard than a group of wackadoodles.
It depends on who is interpreting the results. I guarantee you those atf/fbi agents were congratulated on a job well done. In fact, one of those blood soaked monsters was almost promoted to the head of the atf last yearYou’ve been misled. They’re supposed to be, but instances like this and recent ones will show you they’re not held to hardly any standard at all.
Its not what happened... correct. You could create countless imaginary out comes. Chase your tail. Deal with the reality of what happened, not your imaginary potential.Okay, if they had arrested Koresh at the Baskin Robins it may have ended the same. Didn't try, so we'll never know.
Maybe I've been mislead, but I thought LE was held to a higher standard than a group of wackadoodles. "A bunch of kids died, not our fault, we got the guns, mission successful."
If that was a job well done, we wouldn’t still be talking about it.It depends on who is interpreting the results. I guarantee you those atf/fbi agents were congratulated on a job well done. In fact, one of those blood soaked monsters was almost promoted to the head of the atf last year
Neither fight or turn myself over. Knowing what the details are for the second coming would point out the false prophetIf Christ were to return and the government kidnapped and imprisoned him, how do you think the devout Christian’s of this country would react? Would you just calmly turn yourself over? Or would you fight?
Food for though, speculation as stated.
I would go to Dairy Queen and get a large blizzard. Maybe take my dogs to the beach. I dunno… kind of a “treat yo’self day”.Neither fight or turn myself over. Knowing what the details are for the second coming would point out the false prophet
Fedbois are held to a high standard…of degeneracy.Okay, if they had arrested Koresh at the Baskin Robins it may have ended the same. Didn't try, so we'll never know.
Maybe I've been mislead, but I thought LE was held to a higher standard than a group of wackadoodles. "A bunch of kids died, not our fault, we got the guns, mission successful."