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      "widget_def.thdonate_topDonors" => "[TH] Donate: Top donors"
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      "widget_def.thfeature_full_thread" => "[TH] Featured Threads and Content: Full Threads"
      "widget_def.thfeature_grid" => "[TH] Featured Threads and Content: Grid"
      "widget_def.thfeature_grid_threads" => "[TH] Featured Threads and Content: Grid Threads"
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      "widget_def.thfeature_slider_threads" => "[TH] Featured Threads and Content: Slider Threads"
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Netflix Waco Documentary

Same to you,

Do you support a pedophile using children as Human shields? Yes/no.
Not valid question

Feds could have picked up Koresh without endangering all the other folks, by staging a siege they literally made sure things escalated. There is literary no way you bring tanks and CS and do an armed raid to flush the folks out that wouldn't get a shit load of folks killed.

Also, Waco was not about Feds going after a pedophile, it was about guns.


Witness doesn't paint a great picture of Federales
 
Definitely not, however, nobody has ever been able to tell me why they didn’t grab the pedo while he was in town. Over than the obvious big .gov throwing their weight around because they can. Showing the rest of the tax slaves what happens if you get out of line. The gov didn’t give a shit about him diddling kids, plenty of them do that shit too.
I’m glad dk got dead, sad that the kids did too. Posing in front of their charred bodies tells me you’re proud of your accomplishment. Idiots looked like dentists posing with a buck after a high fence “hunt” except they’d killed children.

Actually sounds interesting, I’d watch it but I won’t give the pedos at netflix $.

As I've learned here, confiscating his firearms was more important than the safety of the children.
 
I watched it last week. Part 1? anyway. Koresh had some serious firepower. One of his followers was up in a tower shooting a .50 (Barrett?). Snipers set up beforehand on an old farmhouse/barn a half mile away for eyes on, and started taking fire from the compound. Oh shit moment for them! The compound was on a hill & had visual 360.

The Netflix shows iirc 4 or 5 assaulters got seriously injured right away. One good thing about the show was the continuous helicopter/ground news footage, so that footage shows what it shows. People (both assaulters/defenders) were interviewed to describe what happened to themselves, then footage showed it as it happened. So... that part was pretty good. That famous footage of the guy going up the ladder & getting hosed through the wall, he survived & told about it, but he got seriously shot up doing that. Told how he looked/went in the window & saw a guy with an SKS, so that might be what got him.

In my opinion, it is not really neutral but tries to be... Because it presents the cops' point of view, and ya know... women & children.... It presents video and recorded voice phone calls of some of the events, and a viewer could make their own conclusions. It is propaganda after all, nust not sure where it wants to lead the viewer...

It presented the group as a "I just wanted to be left alone" sort, with women & children. Didn't really talk about what weapons Koresh had, legal or illegal, that I remember... And is there a part 2? I only saw the first...

Lots of the cops only had had pistols, some had mp5's & some M16 style stuff. They seemed to be seriously outgunned, at first. Everybody (everybody) shooting at a BIG house with pistols like some cowboy movie. I think the gov forces really did make quite a few tactical & strategic mistakes & the show pretty clearly points this out. Koresh had predicted/prophesied this exact thing was going to happen, & when he was given opportunity to get women & kids out, he did that, then at the last minute refused to personally give up & went down in flames.

This Netflix show is entertainment. It's propaganda. It's history. It's oh, poor women & kids, crying on camera about how they were abused. It's pedophilia & illegal guns. It's inside informants, it's jbt's storming the compound & getting shot to shit, then crying on camera about how they were abused... I see a pattern. NOBODY was right.
 
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Not valid question

Feds could have picked up Koresh without endangering all the other folks, by staging a siege they literally made sure things escalated. There is literary no way you bring tanks and CS and do an armed raid to flush the folks out that wouldn't get a shit load of folks killed.

Also, Waco was not about Feds going after a pedophile, it was about guns.


Witness doesn't paint a great picture of Federales

I’m not sure I’ve seen a single person, OP included, say that the feds weren’t in the wrong here. I could be wrong and don’t speak for anyone but myself. Nor has anyone stated the raid had anything to do with pedophilia, rather bringing that up to paint a character portrait of the “victim” here.

The entire thing was a clusterfuck that could have entirely been avoided by either party not being enormous dickbags. It’s not always black and white, good vs evil.
 
The entire thing was a clusterfuck that could have entirely been avoided by either party not being enormous dickbags. It’s not always black and white, good vs evil.

Absolutely. Having the luxury of 20/20 hindsight, who would you have expected to display more restraint...especially considering kids were involved?
 
The gov was way out of line with how they handled this whole cluster fuck. Was it even really about the guns? Or not doing what they wanted/paying taxes. I don’t give a shit about anyone that got burned up other than the kids. Those women pimping their kids out to some cult leader deserve their place in hell and I’m glad they got sent there. The problem is the feds aren’t (supposed to be) the judge, jury, and executioner. They like to think they are.
 
Most likely not going to watch this Netflix Waco Docu. already have the basic important facts years ago. If having doubts to who the sickest criminal fucks involved are in this historic event. You only need to Remember Bill and his Sweetheart in crime.

Never Forget ..
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Not valid question

Feds could have picked up Koresh without endangering all the other folks, by staging a siege they literally made sure things escalated. There is literary no way you bring tanks and CS and do an armed raid to flush the folks out that wouldn't get a shit load of folks killed.

Also, Waco was not about Feds going after a pedophile, it was about guns.


Witness doesn't paint a great picture of Federales

Arresting him out side the compound would not have gotten them access to the illegal fire arms they were after. Waste of time... there was an informant inside, they knew what was there

Staging the siege... Your wording gives away your disposition.

They were literally fire upon with a .50 and a full auto M-60. That is why they had tanks... a 50 can penetrate a Bradly at close range.

Reeeeeee the guberment...fuck lol

Over looking the fact that ALL THE KIDS THAT WERE RELEASED SURVIVED and the ones who died are the ones Koresh was using a human shields... that is one hell of a stretch
 
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Every kid that was released, survived.

The pedo is the reason the rest died.

You question doesn’t represent reality.
you're fucking high if you believe that

While I abhor Koresch and that whole fking group, the gov't was wrong and handled the whole thing horribly wrong. If you are making excuses and blaming the death of those kids on anyone but the gov't then you're a fking pos! They could have gotten him numerous times outside the compound but wanted to be bravado and tits up!

use your fking head
 
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Arresting him out side the compound would not have gotten them access to the illegal fire arms they were after. Waste of time... there was an informant inside, they knew what was there

Staging the siege... Your wording gives away your disposition.

They were literally fire upon with a .50 and a full auto M-60. That is why they had tanks... a 50 can penetrate a Bradly at close range.

Reeeeeee the guberment...fuck lol

Over looking the fact that ALL THE KIDS THAT WERE RELEASED SURVIVED and the ones who died are the ones Koresh was using a human shields... that is one hell of a stretch
so kids lives were less important than the weapons. gotcha. you're a fking government clown

everyone here should ignore you
 
Hmmm, let's wargame a bit, eh?
Koresh & Co were forewarned by the mailman of impending assault.

I see the opening scene of Saving Private Ryan whenever that cattle car with 35 ATF/? rolls up & unloads. Koresh fucked up a prime chance to use 5 guys with semi-auto rifles before they got out the tailgate. Remember, he had advanced intel of a raid. He should have been prepared. (after the fact info here) He had the guns & ammo, he had the guys/gals/(sorry, but used everywhere else in the world)kids/ to shoot at them. Why didnt he attack into their assault? He just let them roll up to the front door & deploy. (rhetorical question)(dont care).
 
Absolutely. Having the luxury of 20/20 hindsight, who would you have expected to display more restraint...especially considering kids were involved?
they definitely knew about the kids and the weapons and I have a hard time believing they didn’t have a good indication that DK wasn’t going without a fight. Personally I also have a hard time believing there wasn’t a route to take that didn’t involve an all-out shootout. The kids were the only innocents in this shitshow.

But yeah…in hindsight was the cost worth getting illegal weapons on that specific day? I’d say no. Otherwise we wouldn’t still be taking about it 3 decades later.
 
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Lets put the political/religious/social/whatever ideology aside for a moment & talk tactics, OK?

When it comes to .gov -vs- religious people (in the USA)
-Or-
.gov -vs- YOU & whatever YOU believe. This is the real issue here. If you're a chomo the people around you will either support you or not.

Edit to add: the supporters are armed now. & training. They aint all FAT FUCK purple haired (lost it here). Some of our enemies are fit, well-trained, well armed, look-like-you-or-me dudes/uh-cough! And will kill the fuck-out-of-you- IF YOU LET THEM.

Situational awareness. As much as possible. (elint/sigint/humint/?)
 
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So your Source is mostly David Thibodeau and Barbar grants interpretation of events. I have read, seen and listened to most of what is in there.

What exactly are you at odds with.

Is there any thing specific in that link of information you want to discuss.

I have spent some time digging on this, and I have built a position and ready to defend it.
 
they definitely knew about the kids and the weapons and I have a hard time believing they didn’t have a good indication that DK wasn’t going without a fight. Personally I also have a hard time believing there wasn’t a route to take that didn’t involve an all-out shootout. The kids were the only innocents in this shitshow.

But yeah…in hindsight was the cost worth getting illegal weapons on that specific day? I’d say no. Otherwise we wouldn’t still be taking about it 3 decades later.
Valid point. He was actually charged with attempted man slaughter a few years earlier when he got into a gun battle with the guy he was viling for power with inside the compound. They were aware of who he was and would go down fighting, which he did.

The Kids were the only innocents in this shit show.

But, if you don't realize THIS- the only thing stopping the FBI/ATF/HTR team from storming that place was those kids- then IDK what to tell you. That is why I say he used them as shields and is ultimately responsible for their death. No matter what action the feds took, Koresh and his follower were going to fight till the end. THERE WAS NO CHANCE FOR A HAPPY ENDING HERE.
 
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If you would like to see something that actually looks at what happened objectively watch Waco rules of engagement, a documentary made years ago. It clearly shows without much room for doubt that the branch davidians regardless of what you think of their beliefs were simply murdered. The documentary goes into detail on the tear gas substance they filled the buildings with, pumping it in with armored vehicles that punched holes in the walls. They were very aware that in liquid form it’s not flammable but after it dries it might as well have been gasoline.

One comment in the documentary has stuck with me for years, the ATF called several psychologists once the compound was surrounded to be on site for advice, one of the psychologists said in a interview that once he arrived it didn’t take him long to figure out that the people he should be concerned with were the FBI and ATF agents on site more than the davidians, and literally everything the government agencies were doing was designed to lead to the davidians being killed verses reaching a peaceful solution.
 
Nothing wrong with that.

Search Warrant​

United States District Court Western District of Texas
SEARCH WARRANT W93-15M

In the Matter of the Search of residence of Vernon Wayne Howell, and others, Rt . 7, Box 471-B, AKA: Mount Carmel Center, McLennan County, TX, its appurtenances, vehicles, underground structures located on entire premises of the 77 acre compound. See attached photos & property description Attachments A, B and C.

To: Special Agent Davy Aguilera and any Authorized Officer of the United States

Affidavit(s) having been made before me by S/A Davy Aguilera who has reason to believe that on the premises known as the residence of Vernon Wayne Howell and others, Rt 7 Box 471-B, AKA: Mount Carmel Center, Waco, McLennan County, Texas, its appurtenances, vehicles underground structures located on entire premises of the 77 acre compound. See attached photographs and property descriptions.in the Western District of Texas there is now concealed a certain person or property, namely (describe the person or property): SEE ATTACHED SHEET FOR CONCEALED PROPERTY (ATTACHMENT D)

I am satisfied that the affidavit(s) and any recorded testimony establish probable cause to believe that the person or property so described is now concealed on the person or promises above-described and establish grounds for the issuance of this warrant.

YOU ARE HEREBY COMMANDED to search on or before February 28,1993 (not to exceed ten days) the person or place named above for the person or property specified, serving this warrant and making the search in the daytime -6:00 A.M. to 10:00 P.M./at any time in the day or night as I find resonable cause has been established and if the person or property be found there to seize same, leaving a copy of this warrant and receipt for the person or property taken, and prepare a written inventory of the person or property seized and promptly return this warrant to Dennis G. Green (U.S. Judge or Magistrate) as required by law.

February 25, 1993 8:43 p.m at Waco, Texas

Attachment A​

The residence of Vernon Wayne Howell, and others, described as a large two story tan structure with a light gray composition roof, with several breaks in the roof line and white shutters on the windows; with a three or four story square addition to the structure near the center of the complex which appears to be an observation tower. There is a rusty cylindrical water tank at the north end of the structure which is approximately 60 feet in height. There are also numerous vehicles of various makes and models around the structure, as well as several outbuildings located on the premises which is approximately 70 to 80 acres in size. At the entrance driveway to the premises is a small frame shack.

To locate the property begin at Exit number 330, Loop 340 and Texas Highway number 6, at its intersection with Interstate Highway 35, just south of Waco, McLennan County, Texas, go east on Loop 340, which curves into a northerly direction for approximately 8.1 miles to its intersection with Texas Farm Road number 2491. Turn right, or east on Farm Road 2491, and proceed for approximately 5.6 miles to its intersection with Double EE Ranch Road/County Road number 222. Turn left, or north and proceed approximately .4 of a mile to the entrance driveway which is on the rifht or east side of Double EE Ranch Road. At the entrance to the property is one small mailbox and one large mailbox accompanied by a Waco Tribune Herald delivery box which is yellow in color with black printing upon it. Affiant and other authorized agents seek to search the _entire_ 70-80 acre compound, including all buildings, vehicles and structures on the premises located both above and below the ground.

PHOTOGRAPHS OF PROPERTY ARE ATTACHED AND MADE A PART HERETO.

Attachment D​

The following property is concealed:

A quantity of firearms, including but not limited to: an assortment of AR-15 rifles and AK-47 rifles, and parts thereof, along with a quantity of assorted machinegun conversion parts, which, when assembled, would be classified as machineguns, machinerty and implements used or suitable for use in converting semi-automatic weapons to fully automatic and for constructing destructive devices such as pipe bombs, and homemade grenades, this machinery would include, but not limited to metal lathes and milling machines, .50 caliber anti-tank rifle, sten guns, grenade launchers, practice rifle grenades, practice hand grenades, various chemicals, including but not limited to black powder, igniter cord, aluminum metal powder and potassium nitrate, magnesium metal powder, metals in various forms, inert "pineapple" type hand grenades, pipe bombs and parts thereof, and other suitable casings of unknown description which, when assembled, would be classified as destructive devices as those terms are defined in Section 5845 (b), and Section 5845 (f), Chapter 53, Title 26, United States Code, which are not registered with the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record, Washington, D.C., as required by law, and documentary and computerized evidence of receipt, ownership and instructions for converting semi-automatic firearms into machineguns, and the construction of improvised explosive weapons, including computer hardware, peripheral equipment and software containing files and directories and the information theron. This is to include any disks, manuals, printouts and other assorted computer equipment.

Affidavit​

Affiant alleges the following grounds for search and seizure.

I, Davy Aquilera, being duly sworn, depose and state that:

I am a Special Agent with the U.S. Treasury Department, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Austin, Texas and I have been so employed for approximately 5 years. This affidavit is based on my own investigation as well as information furnished to me by other law enforcement officers and concerned citizens.

As a result of my training and experience as a Special Agent for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, I am familiar with the Federal firearm and explosive laws and know that it is unlawful for a person to manufacure, possess, transfer, or to transport or ship in interstate commerce machineguns, machinegun conversion parts, or explosives which arre classified, by Federal law, as machineguns, and/or destructive devices, including any combination of parts either designed or intended for use in converting any firearm into a machinegun, or into a destructive device as defined by Federal law, and from which a destructive device may be readily assembled, without them being lawfully registered in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record, U.S. Treasury Department, Washington, D.C.

During my 5 years experience with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, I have investigated persons who have unlawfully possessed, transferred or shipped in interstate or foreign commerce firearms and/or explosive devices which were not registered to them with the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record, and have successfully participated in the prosecution of several of these individuals.

On June 4, 1992, I met with Lieutentant Gene Barber, McLennan County Sheriff's Department, Waco, Texas, who has received extensive training in explosives classification, identification adn the rendering safe of explosive devices and has been recognized in Federal Court as an expert witness in this field. Lt. Barber stated taht he had received informationn in May 1992, from an employee of United Parcel Service, Waco, Texas that from April through June of 1992, several deliveries had been made to a place known as the "Mag-Bag", Route 7 Box 555-b, Waco, Texas 76705, located on Farm Road number 2491, in the names of Mike Schroeder and David Koresh, which the UPS employee believed to be firearms components and explosives. Through my investigation, I know that the place known as the "Mag-Bag" is a small tract of land located at the above address which has two metal buildings located on it.

The name "Mag-Bag" comes from the shipping label which is accompanied many items shipped to the above address. I and other agents have personally observed vehicles consistently ove the past six months at the "Mag-Bag" locatoin which are registered to Vernon Wayne Howell, aka:David Koresh. Lieutentant Barber furhter stated that the UPS employees, Larry Gilbreath, became suspicious and concerned about the deliveries, most of which were shipped Cash On Delivery, (C.O.D.) because of their frequency and because of the method used by the recipient to receive the shipments and to pay for them.

Lieutenant Barber explained that David Koresh was an alias name used by Vernon Wayne Howell who operated a religious cult commune near Wacl, Texas at a place commonly known as the Mount Carmel Center, which is one of the premises to be searched and more specifically described above. i have learned from my investigation, particularly from my discussions with former cult members that Vernon Howell adopted the name David Koresh more than a year ago. The name "David Koresh" was chosen by Howell because Howell believed that the name helped designate him as the messiah or the anointed one of God. Lieutenant Barber further related that he was told by Gilbreath that he has been making deliveries to the "Mag Bag" and Mount Carmel Center on Double EE Ranch Road, Waco, Texas for several years, but he had never been suspicious of any of the deliveries until 1992. Gilbreath became concerned because he made several C.O.D. deliveries addressed to the "Mag-Bag" but when he would stop at that location he was instructed to wait while a telephone call was made to the Mount Carmel Center by the person at the "Mag-Bag", usually Woodrow Kendrick or Mike Schroeder, notifying the person who answered the phone at the Mount Carmel Center that UPS was coming there with a C.O.D. delivery, after which Gilbreath would be instructed to drive to the Mount Carmel Center to deliver the package and collect for it. That on those occasions when he was at the Mount Carmel Center to deliver and colect for the C.O.D. packages. He saw several manned observation posts, and believed that the observers were armed.

Lieutenant Barber stated that he was told by Larry Gilbreath (UPS) that in May of 1992 two cases of inert hand grenades and a quantity of black powder were delivered by him to the "Mag-Bag." The source of these shipments was unknown to Gilbreath.

On June 9,1992, I was contacted by Lieutentant Barber who told me that he had learned from Larry Gilbreath that in June of 1992, the United Parcel Service delivered ninety (90) pounds of powdered aluminum metal and 30 to 40 cardboard tubes, 24 inches in length and 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 inches in diameter, which were shipped from the Fox Fire Company, Pocatella, idaho, to "Mag-Bag." From another shipper whose identity is unknown, two parcels containing a total of sixty (60), M-16/AR-15 ammunition magazines were delivered by UPS to the "Mag-Bag" on June 8,1992. I know based upon my training and experience that an AR-15 is a semi-automatic rifle practically identical to the M-16 rifle carried by United States Armed Forces. The AR-15 rifle fires .223 caliber ammunition and, just like the M-16, can carry magazines of ammunition ranging from 30 to 60 rounds of ammunition. I have been involved in many cases where defendants, following a relarively simple process, convert AR-15 semi-automatic rifles to fully automatic rifles of the nature of the M-16. This conversion process can often be accomplished by an individual purchasing certain parts which will quickly transform the rifle to fire fully automatic. Often times templates, milling machines, lathes and instruction guides are utilzed by the converter.

Lieutenant Barber related to me the follwing background information about the Mount Carmel Center commune, which is located at Rt. 7, Box 471-b, Waco, Texas , and consists of some seventy (70) acres of land, occupied by Vernon W. Howell, a/k/a David Koresh and others.

The property was once owned and occupied by George Buchanan Roden, who once was an unannounced candidate for the office of President of the United States. Roden inherited the property sometime in the 1950's, and beginning about January 1986 established and led a religious cult group with about twenty (20) followers. He claimed to be the Prophet of the group. The property at that time was known as the "Elk Property/ Mt. Carmel Center." About this same time, Roden was in jeopardy of losing the property by foreclosure due to delinquent taxes which had not been paid since 1968.

About this same time, Vernon Wayne Howell, had established a similar group in Palestine, Texas, known as the Branch Davidian Seventh-Day Adventists. Sometime in 1987, Howell, laid claim to ownership of the Mr. Carmel Center property and wanted to acquire it by any means possible. On November 3,1987, Howell led an armed group of eight men into Roden's camp and a 45-minute gun battle ensued. Roden was shot in the finger and was the only person injured.

Eight people, including Vernon W. Howell and Paul Gordon Fatta were arrested by the McLennan County Sheriff's Department, Waco, Texas, and were indicted for attempted murder by a McLennan County Grand Jury. All eight subjects were tried in State court at Waco, Texas and were acquitted of the charges of attempted murder by a jury.

After the armed assault by Howell and his followers, George Roden vacated the property. In 1987, the property was taken over by Howell and his cult group. The taxes owed on the Mr. Carmel Center have been paid by Howell's group. His cult has grown to about seventy (70) to eighty (80) people which includes men, women and children who now live on the Nount Carmel Center property.

Lieutenant Barber furnished me with recently taken aerial photographs of the Mount Carmel Center which had been taken by Captain Dan Weyenberg of the McLennan County Sheriff's Department, Waco, Texas. Among the things noted in the photographs was a buried bus near the main structure and an observation tower, approximately three or four stories tall with windows on all four sides enabling a view from the structure of 360 degrees.

I was also advised by Lieutenant Barber that Robert Cervanka, a known long time McLennan County citizen, who lives near the Mount Carmel Center compound, had, on several occasions, from January through February of 1992, had heard machinegun fire coming from the compound property. Mr. Cervanka offered law enforcement authorities his residense to be used a surveillance post.

On July 21,1992, I met with Rovert L. Cervanka, Route 7, Box 103, Riesel, Texas. Mr. Cervanka farms the property surronding the east side of the Mount Carmel property. Mr. Cervanka stated he has farmed that area since 1948. From about January and February of 1992 he has heard machinegun fire on the Vernon Howell property during the night hours. He is familiar with and knows the sound of machinegun fire because he did a tour overseas with the U.S. Army. He believes that some of the gunfire he heard was being done with 50 caliber machineguns and possibly M-16 machineguns.

On November 13,1992, based on information gained from Gilbreath by Lieutenant Barber, I interviewed Dave Haupert, Olympic Arms Inc., Olympia, Washington, a company which had shipped several parcels to David Koresh at the "Mag-Bag", Rt. 7, Box 555-b, Waco. Texas. Mr. Haupert told me that the records of Olympic arms Inc., indicated that approximately forty-five(45) AR-15/M-16 rifle upper receiver units, with barrels of various calibers, had been shipped from March through April of 1992 to the Mag-Bag Corporation for a total cost of $11,107.31, cash of delivery.

On January 13,1993, I interviewed Larry Gilbreath in Waco, Texas, and confirmed the information which ahd previously been related to me by Lieutenant Barber. Mr. Gilbreath told me that although he had been making deliveries at the "Mag Bag" and the Mount Carmel Center for quite some time, his suspicion about the packages being delivered to those places never was aroused until about February 1992. At that time the invoices accompanying a number of packages reflected that they contained firearm parts and accessories as well as various chemicals. He stated that in May 1992, a package which was addressed to the "Mag Bag" accidently broke open while it was being loaded on his delivery truck. He saw that it contained three boxes the contents of which were "pineapple" type hand grenades which he believed to be inert. He stated that here were about fifty of the grenades and that he later delivered them to the Mount Carmel Center. The Mount Carmel Center is that tract of land depicted in the photograph labeled "attachment B" with the main residential structure being depicted in "attachment C."

Mr. Gilbreath stated that these suspicious packages were usually addressed to the "Mag Bag" or to David Koresh. When he would stop to deliver them to the "Mag Bag", he was met most of the time by Woodrow Kendrick, and on other occasions by Steve Schneider. They would have him wait while they telephoned the Mount Carmel Center to tell them that UPS was coming with a C.O.D. package. He would be instructed to take the package(s) to the Mount Carmel Center, he was usually met by Perry Jones or, on occasion, by Steve Schneider, who would pay the C.O.D. charges in cash and would accept delivery of the shipments.

On this same date, June 8,1992, I interviewed Glen Deruiter, Manager, Sarco Inc., Stirling, New Jersy, and learned from him that in May of 1992, their company shipped one M-16 parts set kit with a sling and magazine to the "Mag-Bag" in the name of David Koresh. The total value of these items was $284.95

Also on June 8,1992, I interviewed Cynthia Alco, Owner/Manager, Nesard Gun Parts Company, Barrington, Illinois, and learned from her that in May of 1992, her company shipped to the "Mag-Bag", two (2) M-16 machinegun car kits and two (2) M-16 machinegun E2 kits. These kits contain all the parts of an M-16 machinegun, except for the lower receiver unit which is the "firearm" by lawful definition. Ms. Alco stated that the total amount of sales to the Mag-Bag was $1227.00. Within the past month, I have spoken with Curtis Bartlett, Firearms Technician with BATF and have learned that Nesard Company has been under investigation in the past by ATF for engaging in a scheme to supply parts which would enable individuals to construct illegal weapons from various component parts.

On June 9, 1992, I requested that a search of the records of the National Fireamrs Registration and Transfer Record, Washington, D.C., to determine if Vernon W. Howell and/or Paul G. Fatta, one of Howell's closest follwers, had any machineguns or other NFA weapons registered to them. The result of the search was negative.

On this same date, June 9, 1992, I requested a search of the records of the Firearms Licensing Section of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Atlanta, Georgia, to determine if Howell, Fatta or the "Mag-Bag" Corporation were licenses as Fieramrs dealers or manufacturers. The result of this search was negative.

On June 10, 1992, I requested a search of the records of the Firearms Licensing Section of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Atlanta, Georgia, to determine if David Koresh, Howell's alias name or David M. Jones, a known associate of Howell, were licensed as Firearms dealers of manufacturers. The result of this search was negative.

On June 23,1992, I spoke with ATF compliance Inspector Robert Souza, Seattle, Washington, who inquired about the Mag Bag Corporation, Route 7, Box 555, Waco, Texas. He had received some invoices reflecting a large quantity of upper receivers and AR-15 parts being shipped to "Mag Bag", Waco, Texas, from Olympic Arms Inc., 624 Old Pacific Hwy., S.E. Olympia, Washington. Inspector Souza faxed me copies of invoices, reflecting purchases of twenty (20) AR-15 upper receiver units with barrels by the "Mag Bag" on March 26th and 30th, 1992. These items are in addition to the items referred to above.

As a result of my investigation of shipments to Howell/Koresh and Mike Schroeder at the "Mag-Bag" Corporation, Waco, Texas, through the United Parcel Service, and the inspection of the firearms records of Henry McMahon, dba, Hewitt Hand Guns, Hewitt, Texas, I have learned that they acquired during 1992, the following firearms and related explosive paraphernalia:

one hundred four (104), AR-15/M-16, upper receiver groups with barels. Eight thousand, one hundred (8,100) rounds of 9mm and .223 caliber ammunition for AR-15/M-16. Twenty (20), one hundred round capacity drum magazines for AK-47 rifles. Two hundred sixty (260), M-16/AR-15 magazines. Thirty (30) M-14 magazines. Two (2) M-16 E2 kits. Two (2) M-16 car kits. One M-76 grenade launcher. Two hundred (200) M-31, practice rifle grenades. Four (4) M-16 parts set Kits "A". Two (2) flare launchers Two cases, (approximately 50) inert practice hand grenades. 40-50 pounds of black gun powder. Thirty (30) pounds of Potassium Nitrate. Five (5) pounds of Magnesium metal powder. One pound of Igniter cord. ( A class C explosive) Ninety-one (91) AR/15 lower receiver units. Twenty-six (26) various calibers and brands of hand guns and long guns. 90 pounds of aluminum metal powder. 30-40 cardboard tubes.

The amount of expenditures for the above listed firearm paraphernalia, excluding the (91) AR-15 lower receiver units and the (26) complete firearms, was in excess of $44,300.

From my investigation, I have learned that a number of shipments to the "Mag-Bag" have been from vendors with questionable trade practices. One is presently under investigation by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, for violations fo the National Firearms Act, which prohibits unlawful possession of machineguns, silencers, destructive devices, and machinegun conversion kits.

Because of the sensitivity of this investigation, these vendors have not been contacted by me for copies of invoices indicating the exact items shipped to the Mag-Bag.

On November 13,1992, I interviewed Lieutenant Coy Jones, McLennan County Sheriff's Department, Waco, Texas, and learned from him that he had spoken with an employee of the United Parcel Servcie , Waco, Texas, who wished to remain anonymous. This person told Jones that Marshal Keith Butler, a relative of the person who wishes to remain anoymous, is a machinist by trade, and is associated with Vernon Howell.

The records of the Texas Department of Public Safety reflect that Butler has been arrested on seven (7) occasions since 1984 for unlawful possession of drugs. Two of the arrests resulted in convictions for possession of a controlled substance. Butler's latest arrest and conviction was in January 1992. Butler received a sentence of three (3) years in the Texas Department of Corrections. In April 1992 Butler was paroled to McLennan County, Texas.

On November 13,1992, I interviewed Terry Fuller, a deputy sheriff for teh McLennan County Sheriff's Department, Waco, Texas, and learned from him that on November 6,1992, at approximately 1:25 p.m., while on routine patrol in the area of the Mount Carmel Center, the property controlled by Vernon Howell, he heard a loud explosion in the area of the north part of the Mount Carmel Property. As he drove toward the area where he thought the explosin had occurred, he observed a large cloud of grey smoke dissipating from ground level on the north end of the Mount Carmel property.

On December 7,1992, I spoke with Special Agent Carlos Torres, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Houston, Texas, who had been assisting me in a portion of this investigation. He related to me the results of his interview on December 4,1992, with Joyce Sparks, Texas Department of Human Service, Waco, Texas. Special Agent Torres told me that Ms. Sparks received a complaint from outside the State of Texas, that David Doresh was operating a commune type compound, and that he was sexually abusing young girls. Ms. Sparks stated that on February 27,1992, she along with two other employees of the Texas Department of Human Services and Two McLennan County Sheriff's Deputies responded to the complaint. They went to the Mount CArmel Center compound located east of Waco in McLennan County. When they arrived at the compound, they were met by a lady who identified herself as Rachel Koresh, the wife of David Koresh.

(one line missing) Koresh was not there. She had strict orders from him not to talk with anyone unless he was present. Ms. Sparks finally was able to convince Mrs. Koresh to allow her to talk with some of the children. who were present. She talked to a young boy about 7 or 8 years old. The child said that he could not wait to grow up and be a man. When Ms. Sparks asked him why he was in such a hurry to grow up, he replied that when he grew up he would get a "long gun" just like all the other men there. When Ms. Sparks pursued the subject, the boy told her that all the adults had guns and that they were always practicing with them.

Ms. Sparks also told Special Agent Torres that she was escorted throught part of th ebuilding where she noted a lot of construction being performed. She also said that she could not determine how many people were in the group, but estimated about sixty (60) to seventy (70)people there including men, women and children. She stated that she saw about 15 to 20 adult males there.

Ms. Sparks also said that on April 6,1992, she visited the compound again. On this occasion she talked with David Koresh. She asked Koresh about the firearms which she had been told by the small child. Koresh admitted that there were a few firearms there, but said that most of the adults did not know of them, and that there were too few to be of any significance. Ms. Sparks said that when she pressed Koresh about the firearms and their location at the compound, he offered to show her around. He requested that she wait about 30 minutes until he could get the other residents out of the building so they would not see where he had the firearms stored. After a period of time, Ms. Sparks was escorted through part of the building by Koresh. She noted that there was more construction activityy and that the inside of the structure looked quite differant from her previous visit. Each time Ms. Sparks asked Koresh about the location of the firearms, he would tell her that they were in a safe place where the children could not get to them. Then he would change the subject.

Ms. Sparks said that she noticed a trap door in the floor at one end of the building. Whe she inquired about it, Koresh allowed her to look into the trap door. She could see a ladder leading down into a buried school bus from which all the seats had been removed. At one end of the bus she could see a very large refrigerator with numerous bullet holes. She also saw three long guns lying on the floor of the bus, however, she did not know the make or caliber of them. Whe stated that there was no electricity in the bus. Everything she saw was with the aid of a pen light. When questioned by Ms. Sparks, Koresh said that the bus was where he practiced his target shooting in order not to distrub his neighbors.

Ms. Sparks felt the entire walk through the compound was staged for her by Koresh. When she asked to speak with some of the children and other residents, Koresh refused, stating they were not available. She said that during her conversation with Koresh, he told her that he was the "Messenger" from God, that the world was coming to an end, and that when he "reveals" himself the riots in Los Angeles would pale in comparison to what was going to ahppen in Waco, Texas. Koresh stated that it would be a "military type operation" and that all the "non-believers" would have to suffer.

On December 11,1992, I interviewed Robyn Bunds in LaVerne, California. Robyn Bunds is a former member and resident of Vernon Howell's commune in Waco, Texas. She told me that in 1988, at the age of 19, she gave birth to a son who was fathered by Vernon Howell. Her departure from the commune in 1990 was a result of Howell becoming progressively more violent and abusive.

While she was there, she and the other residents were subjected to watching extremely violent movies of the Vietnam war which Howell would refer to as training films. Howell forced members to stand guard of the commune 24 hours a day with loaded weapons. Howell always was in possession of firearms and kept one under his bed while sleeping. Robyn stated that her present residence in California belonged to her parents. For a period of several years Howell had exclusive control of the residence and used it for other members of his cult when he was in California. It was later relinquished by Howell to Robyn's mother. In June 1992, while she was cleaning one of the bedrooms of the residence she found a plactic bag containing gun parts. She showed them to her brother, David Bunds, who has some knowledge of firearms. He told her that it was a machinegun conversion kit. She stored the gun parts in her garage because she felt certain that Howell would send some of his followers to pick them up. Subsequent to her discovery of the conversion kit, Paul Fatta, Jimmy Riddle, and Neal Vaega, all members of Howell's cult and residents of the commune in Waco, came from Waco, Texas, to California and picked up the conversion kit.

On December 12,1992, I interviewed Jeannine Bunds, the mother of Robyn and David Bunds. She told me that she was a former member of Howell's group in Waco, Texas, having left there in September 1991. She is a registered nurse and was working in that capacity at the Good Samaritan Hospital, Los Angeles, California. While at Howell's commune in Waco, she participated in live fire shooting exercises conducted by Howell. She saw several long guns there, some of which she described as AK-47 rifles. Mrs. Bunds described the weapon to me and was able identify an AK-47 from among a number of photographs of firearms shown to her by me. I believe that she is well able to identify an AK-47. In July of 1991, she saw Howell shooting a machinegun on the back portion of the commune property. She knew it was a machinegun because it functioned with a very rapid fire and would tear up the ground when Howell shot it. Mrs. Bunds also told me that Howell had fathered at least fifteen (15) children from various women and young girls at the compound. Some of the girls who had babies fathered by Howell were as young as 12 years old. She had personally delivered seven(7) of these children.

According to Ms. Bunds, Howell annuls all marriages of couples who join his cult. He then has exclusive sexual access to the women. He also, accoring to Mrs. Bunds, has regular sexual relations with young girls there. The girls ages are from eleven (11) years old to adulthood.

On January 6,1993, I interviewed Jeannine Bunds again in Los Angeles, California. I showed her seveal photographs of firearms and explosives devices. She identified an AR-15 rifle and a pineapple type hand grenade as being items which she had seen a the Mournt CArmel Center while she was there. She stated that she saw several of the AR-15 and at least one of the hand grenades.

On January 7,1993, I interviewed Deborah Sue Bunds in Los Angeles, California. She was the wife of David Bunds, and she had been a member of the "Branch Davidian" since birth. She stated she first met Vernon Wayne Howell in July 1980. When Howell assumed leadership of the "Branch" in Waco, Texas, in 1987, he began to change the context of their Doctrine. While she was at the Mount Carmel compound in Waco, Texas, she was assigned, under Howell's direction, to guard duty with a loaded weapon. About February 1989, she observed Howell shooting a machinegun behind the main structure of the compound. She is sure the firearm was a machinegun because of the rapid rate of fire and the rate of fire was much different from that which was usually conducted during practice exercises on the compound. After describing the firing of this weapon to me, I believe that Ms. Bunds was describing the firing of an automatic weapon.

Mrs. Deborah Bunds also told me that during an evening meal a short time after having seen Howell shoot the machinegun, she overheard Howell and his closest associates discussing machineguns. Howell was very excited about having a machinegun. He voiced a desire to acquire additional machineguns, specifically AK-47 type machineguns.

During this investigation I made inquiries of a number of law enforcment data bases for information about those commune residents who I have been able to identify. Through TECS I learned that some forty (40) foreign nationals from Jamaica, United Kingdom, Israel, Australia and New Zealand have entered the United States at various times in the past and have used the address of the Mount Carmel Center, Waco, Texas as their point of contact while here. According to INS records most of these foreign nationals have over stayed their entry permits or visas and are therefore illegally in the United States. I know that it is a violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 922 for an illegal alien to receive a firearm.

On January 1, and January 3,1993 , Mrs. Poia Vaega of Mangars, Auckland, New Zealand, was interviewed telephonically by Resident Agent in Charge Bill Buford, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Little Rock, Arkansas, who also is assisting me in this investigation. The results of Special Agent Buford's interview on January 3,1993, was tape recorded with the permission of Poia Vaega and has since been transcripted and typewritten. Both the tape recording and the interviews with Poia Vaega revealed a falst imprisonment for a term of three and one half (3 1/2) months which began in June of 1991 and physical and sexual abuse of one of Mrs. Vaega's sisters, Doreen Saipaia. This was while she was a member of the "Branch Davidian" at the Mount Carmel Center, Waco, Texas. The physical and sexual abuse was done by Vernon Wayne Howell and Stanley Sylvia, a close follower of Howell, on several occasions.

It was learned from Mrs. Vaega that she and her husband, Leslie, were also members of Howell's group in Waco for a short period of time in March 1990. Upon their arrival at Mount Carmel Center, she and her husband were separated and not allowed to sleep together or have any sexual contact.

According to Mrs. Vaega, all the firls and women at the compound were exclusively reserved for Howell. She stated that Howell would preach his philosophy, which did not always conincide with the Bible, for hours at a time. She and her husband left the compound after ten (10) days because her husband did not agree with Howell's doctrine, but that her two sisters stayed behind.

Mrs. Vaega also related taht she was present at one of the study periods held by Howell when Howell passed his personal AK-47 machinegun around for the group to handle and look over.

On January 6,1993, I received the results of an examination conducted by Jerry A. Taylor, Explosives Enforcement Officer, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Walnut Creek, California, in response to a requrest from me to render an opinion on device design, construction, functioning, effacts, and classification of explosives materials which have been accumulated by Howell and his followers. Mr. Taylor has received extensive training in Explosives Classification, Identification and rendering safe of explosive devices and has been recognized on numerous occasions as an expert witness in Federal court. Mr. Taylor stated that the chemicals Potassium Nitrate, Aluminum, and Magnesium, when mixed in the proper proportions, do constitute an explosive as defined by Federal law. He further stated that Igniter cord is an explosive. Also Mr. Taylor stated that the inert practice rifle grenades and hand grenades would, if modified as weapons with the parts avaliable to Howell, become explosives devices as defined by Federal law. Finally he stated that black powder, is routinely used as the main charge when manufacturing improvised explosive weapons such as grenades and pipe bombs. I know that Title 26, United States Code, Section 5845 makes it unlawful for a person to possess any combination of parts designed or intended for use in converting any device into a destructive device. The definition of "firearm" includes any combination of parts, either designed or inteded for use in converting any device into a destructive device such as a grenade, and from which a destructive device may be readily assembled. See United States v. Price, 877 F.2d 334 (5thCir.1989). So long as an individual possesses all of the component parts, item constitutes a destructive device even though it is not assembled, so long as it can be readily assembled. United States v. Russell, 468 F. Supp.322 (D.C. Tex 1979)


On January 8,1993, I interviewed Marc Breault in Los Angeles, California. He is an American citizen who lives in Australia with his wife Elizabeth. He was once a member of the "Branch Davidian" in Waco, Texas. He lived a the Mount Carmel Center from early 1988 until September 1989. While there he participated in physical training and firearm shooting exercises conducted by Howell. He stood guard armed with a loaded weapon. Guard duty was maintained twenty-four (24) hours a day seven (7) days a week. Those who stood guard duty were instructed by Howell to "shoot to kill" anyone attempted to come through the entrance gate of the Mount Carmel property. On one occasion, Howell told him that he wanted to obtain and/or manufacture machineguns, grenades and explosive devices. Howell stated he thought that the gun control laws were ludicrious, because an individual could easily acquire a firearm and the necessary parts to convert it to a machinegun, but if a person had the gun and the parts together they would be in violation of the law. On another occasion, Howell told him that he was interested in acquiring the "Anarchist's Cook Book", which I know is a publication outlining clandestine operations to include instructions and formulas for manufacturing improvised explosive devices.

On January 12, 1993, I spoke with Special Agent Earl Dunagan, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Austin, Texas, who is assisting me in the investigation. He related the resulrs of his inquiry to the ATF Firearms Techonology Branch, Washington, D.C., for an opinion concerning the firearms parts which have been accumulated by Howell and his group. Special Agent Dunnagan stated that he had spoken with Curtis Bartlett, Firearms Enforcement Officer, Washington, D.C., and was told by Officer Bartlett that the firearms parts which Howell has received and the method by which he has recieved them, is consistent with activities in other ATF investigations in various parts of the United States, which have resulted in the discovery and seizure of machineguns. Mr. Bartlett stated that the firearms parts received by Howell could be used to assemble both semi-automatic firearms and machineguns. He has examined many firearms which had been assembled as machineguns which included these type parts.

Mr. Bartlett also told Special Agent Dunagan that one of the vendors of supplies to Howell has been the subject of several ATF investigations in the past. ATF executed a search warrant at this company and had seized a number of illegal machineguns and silencers.

Special Agent Dunagan told me that on January 12,1993, he spoke with Special Agent Mark Mutz, ATF, Washington, D.C., who was the case agent on the above ongoing investigation dealing with the illicit supplier who has provided gun parts to Howell. Special Agent Mutz stated that during the execution of the Federal search warrant at the company's office in South Carolina, he saw large quantities of M-16 machinegun and AK-47 machinegun parts. The company maintained their inventory of these parts as "replacement parts" so they fell easily within a loophole in the Federal law which prohibited ATF from seizing the parts. Special Agent Mutz stated taht the company had all the necessary parts to convert AR-15 rifles and AK-47 rifles into machineguns if their customers had the upper and lower receivers for those firearms. Based on my investigation, as stated above in the description of gun parts shipped to Howell, I know that Howell possesses the upper and lower receivers for the firearms which he is apparently trying to convert to fully automatic.

Mr. Bartlett told me that another one of the vendors of suplies to Howell, Nesard Gun Parts Co., 27 W. 990 Industrial Rd., Barringon, Ill., has also been the subject of an ATF investigation. Officer of that company, Gerald Graysen Cynthia alco and Anthony Alco all pled guilty to ATF charges. The Nesard Co., which owned Sendra Corporation, was shipping AR-15 receivers through the Sendra Corp., along with part kits from the Nesard Co. When these parts are assembled it resulted in the manufacture of a short barrelled rifle. Even though the above subjects are convicted felons they continue to conduct business because the Nesard Gun Parts Co., distributes gun parts and not firearms.

On January 25,1993, I interviewed David Block in Los Angeles, California. He stated that he was a member of Howell's cult at the Mount Carmel Center, Waco, Texas, from March 1992, until June 23,1992. During the time he was there, he attended two Gun Shows with Vernon Howell, Mike Schroeder, Paul Fatta, and Henry McMahon who is a Federally licensed firearms dealer. The gun shows were in Houston and San Antonio, Texas.

While at the Mount Carmel Center he saw a metal lathe and a metal milling machine which were normally operated by Donald Bunds and Jeff Little. Donald Bunds, a mechanical engineer, has the capability to fabricate firearms parts, according to Block. On one occasion at the Mount Carmel Center, he observed Bunds designing, what Bunds described as a "grease gun/sten gun" on an Auto Cad Computer located at the residence building at the compound. The computer has the capability of displaying a three dimensional rendering of objects on a computer monitor screen. The object appeared to be a cylindrical tube with a slot out into the side of it for a bolt cocking lever. Bunds told him that Howell wanted Bunds to design a "grease gun" which they could manufacture. Mr. Block told me that on another occasion at the Mount Carmel Center he saw Donald Bund designing a template which Bunds explained was to fit around the "grease gun" tubes indicating where the bolt lever slots were to be milled out. This was another step in manufacturing "grease guns" which had been requested by Howell. I know that a "grease gun" is a machinegun following after the design of a World War II era military weapon.

During his time at the Mount Carmel Center Mr. Block was present several occasions when Howell would sk if anyone had any knowledge about making hand grenades or converting semi-automatic rifles to machineguns. At one point he also heard discussion about a shipment of inert hand grenades and Howell's intent to reactiviate them. Mr. Block stated that he observed at the compound published magazines such as, the "Shotgun News" and other related clandestine magazines. He heard extensive talk of the existence of the "Anarchist Cook Book".

Mr. Block told me that he observed a .50 caliber rifle mounted on a bi-pod along with .50 caliber ammunition. However, what Mr. Block described to ATF Agents, was a British Boys, .52 caliber, anti-tank rifle (a destructive device). Mr. Block further stated that he also heard talk of the existence of two additional .50 caliber rifles on the compound. There was also extensive talk about converting the .50 caliber rifles and other rifles to machineguns.

Mr. Block also told me that he met James Paul Jones from Redding, California, who was visiting the Mount Carmel Center in April or May of 1992. According to Howell, Jones was a firearms and explosives expert.

On Februrary 22,1993 ATF Special Agent Robert Rodriquez told me that on February 21, 1993, while acting in an undercover capacity, he was contacted by David Koresh and was invited to the Mount Carmel Compound. Special Agent Rodriguez accepted the invitation and met with David Koresh inside the compound. Vernon Howell, also known as David Koresh played music on a guitar for 30 minutes and then began to read the Bible to Special Agent Rodriguez. During this session, Special Agent Rodriquez was asked numerous questions about his life. After answering all the questions Special Agent Rodriquez was asked to attend a two week Bible session with David Koresh. This was for Special Agent to learn the 7 Seals and become a member of the group. Special Agent Rodriquez was told that by becoming a member he(Rodriquez) was going to be watched and disliked. David Koresh stated that Special Agent Rodriquez would be disliked because the Government did not consider the group religious and that he (Koresh) did not pay taxes or local taxes because he felt he did not have to. David Koresh told Special Agent Rodriquez that he believed in the right to bear arms but that the U.S. Government was going to take away that right. David Koresh asked Special Agent Rodriquez if he knew that if he (Rodriquez) purchased a drop-in-searfor an AR-15 rifle it would not be illegal, but if he (Rodriquez) had an AR-15 rifle with the sear that it would be against the law. David Koresh stated that the sear could be purchased legally. David Koresh stated that the Bible gave him the right to bear arms. David Koresh then advised Special Agent Rodriquez that he had something he wanted Special Agent Rodriquez to see. At that point he showed Special Agent Rodriquez a video tape of ATF which was made by the Gun Owners Association (G.O.A.). This film portrayed ATF as an agency who violated the rights of Gun Owners by threats and lies.

I believe that Vernon Howell, also known as David Koresh and/or his followers who reside at the compound known legally as the Mount Carmel Centere are unlawfully manufacturing and possessing machineguns and explosive devices.

It has been my experience over the five years that I have been a Special Agent for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and that of other Special Agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, some of whom have the experience of twenty (20) years or more, who have assisted in this investigation that it is a common practice for persons enganged in the unlawful manufacture and possession of maachineguns and explosive devices to employ surreptitious methods and means to acquire the products nessacary to produce such items, and the production, use and storage of those items are usually in a protected or secret environment. It is also my experience that persons who acquire firearms, firearm parts, and explosive materials maintain records of receipt and ownership of such items and instruction manuals or other documents explaining the methods of construction of such unlawful property.

SIGNED DAVY AQUILERA, SPECIAL AGENT BUREAU OF ATF

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN TO BEFORE ME THIS 25TH DAY OF FEBRUARY, 1993

DENNIS G. GREEN UNITED STATES MAGISTRATE JUDGE WESTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS-WACO

Motion to Seal​

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
WESTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS
WACO DIVISION
Filed, Feb. 26, 1993
Clerk, U.S. Dist.Crt

CRIMINAL NO. W93-15M
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

V.

IN RE: SEARCH OF THE RESIDENCE OF VERNON WAYNE HOWELL, AND OTHERS, RT.7, BOX 471-B, ALSO KNOWN AS THE MOUNT CARMEL CENTER, WACO, MCLENNAN COUNTY, TEXAS, ITS APPURTENANCES, VEHICLES AND UNDERGROUND STRUCTURES LOCATED ON THE ENTIRE PREMISES OF THE 77 ACRE COMPOUND

GOVERNMENT'S MOTION TO SEAL

Comes now the United States of America, by and through the United States Attorney for the Western District of Texas, and moves this Honorable Court for an order that this motion, along with the Search Warrant and Affidavit and other related papers in this case be placed under the seal of the Court until further order. The basis for this action is the need to ensure the integrity of an ongoing criminal investigation against Vernon Wayne Howell and others. It is believed that evidence may be altered or destroyed should the direction of the investigation become evident.

Respectfully submitted,

RONALD F. EDERER
UNITED STATES ATTORNEY

By:

[signature]
Assistant U. S. Attorney
P. O. Box 828
Waco, TX 76703
(817) 757-6245
 
No, nothing very detailed. Mainly they were converting semi auto's into full auto's and had a few belt feds.
Were they? Because the stories at the time from other people at the gun shows in the area was that the atf was trying to get people to buy illegal shit and tried with dk as well. He didn't go for it but they "knew" he had illegal full autos and were bound to make an example of him.

Also from the time, the autos they had were purchased legally and owned by other members of the compound and not dk. More than once he invited the atf to inspect the weapons they had and verify they were legal. I have no proof other than living through this time and my memory of it.

Regardless, as Americans they should have been given a fair trial and not been burned alive by the government. If he (dk) was a pedophile and convicted in court, he could get the death penalty and I wouldn't care. Because if you're going to wholesale slaughter a man and his kin for pedofilia without due process, I know a guy who, for years, took inappropriate showers with his daughter, so often that she had to change her shower schedule to avoid her pedo father. I'll gladly give you his name and address so you and your agency can light the fires.
 
Were they? Because the stories at the time from other people at the gun shows in the area was that the atf was trying to get people to buy illegal shit and tried with dk as well. He didn't go for it but they "knew" he had illegal full autos and were bound to make an example of him.

Also from the time, the autos they had were purchased legally and owned by other members of the compound and not dk. More than once he invited the atf to inspect the weapons they had and verify they were legal. I have no proof other than living through this time and my memory of it.

Regardless, as Americans they should have been given a fair trial and not been burned alive by the government. If he (dk) was a pedophile and convicted in court, he could get the death penalty and I wouldn't care. Because if you're going to wholesale slaughter a man and his kin for pedofilia without due process, I know a guy who, for years, took inappropriate showers with his daughter, so often that she had to change her shower schedule to avoid her pedo father. I'll gladly give you his name and address so you and your agency can light the fires.
Fuck Joe Biden... but this ain't about that.

I don't work for the Government. These are my opinions looking into it.

Did you read the warrent above, there is written proof of what was going on.

They didn't just saluter him. He was a willing participant. He had 8 weeks to have peaceful resolution.
 
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Fuck Joe Biden... but this ain't about that.

I don't work for the Government. These are my opinions looking into it.

Did you read the warrent above, there is written proof of what was going on.

They didn't just saluter him. He was a willing participant. He had 8 weeks to have peaceful resolution.
Yeah, seen the warrant before. Whether you knew how government agencies lied to procure it was my main question. You made up your mind and that's fine.

 
Yeah, seen the warrant before. Whether you knew how government agencies lied to procure it was my main question. You made up your mind and that's fine.

Do you have a better source for that article? I’d like to read it but your link is just to the short abstract and has no downloads available and the “find in a library” link comes up blank as well.
 
This is what pops up when you click the link to the library..

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It is not an endorse meant, just some ones opinion.

Hamline Journal of Public Law and Police, 18, (Fall 1996), 1


Can't find the actually meat.

Come on... I am not a fucking retard... try harder.
 
"In short, the only evidence that the BATF offered the magistrate that the Davidians were converting semi-automatic guns into machine guns appears to be:

(a) the Davidians had bought the E2 spare parts kit, which BATF falsely claimed was an "EZ" conversion kit;
*20 (b) the Davidians had made unspecified purchases from a company that sells conversion kits, and which also sells thousands of items which are not conversion kits; and
(c) the Davidians owned home workshop equipment such as lathes which can, in addition to many legal uses, be used for illegal fabrication of machine gun components."
 
Correct, it's the first thing anyone who actually looks into Waco should have read by now. So why are those posting unaware of it? Yes, you can read it online somewhere, but it takes more than zero effort.
Why is it every time on here someone posts an "article" they don't want to share a viable link? I'm assuming YOU read it somewhere, right? So where did you read it or is it some secret? That first google link is the same link you shared, the one that doesn't actually let you read the article. LOL.
 
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"In short, the only evidence that the BATF offered the magistrate that the Davidians were converting semi-automatic guns into machine guns appears to be:
Mr. Block told me that he observed a .50 caliber rifle mounted on a bi-pod along with .50 caliber ammunition. However, what Mr. Block described to ATF Agents, was a British Boys, .52 caliber, anti-tank rifle (a destructive device). Mr. Block further stated that he also heard talk of the existence of two additional .50 caliber rifles on the compound. There was also extensive talk about converting the .50 caliber rifles and other rifles to machineguns.

What about the anti tank weapon mention in the warrant. ( an unregistered destructive device)???
 
this???

If anything this just highlights how bat shit crazy Vernon was. I ain't calling him David Any more.

Yes that’s the one, it certainly doesn’t portray him favorably but it’s fair, but it does rip the governments defense of their actions apart. They show the thermal imaging that clearing shows the fire started where the tank was destroying the wall not by the davidians in a suicide as the government claimed. The film shows the government used psychological warfare that is designed to keep the adversary on edge and to escalate a conflict vs calming the issue and getting them to leave peacefully. It’s been probably 20 years since I watched it, it’s worth a watch.
 
Mr. Block told me that he observed a .50 caliber rifle mounted on a bi-pod along with .50 caliber ammunition. However, what Mr. Block described to ATF Agents, was a British Boys, .52 caliber, anti-tank rifle (a destructive device). Mr. Block further stated that he also heard talk of the existence of two additional .50 caliber rifles on the compound. There was also extensive talk about converting the .50 caliber rifles and other rifles to machineguns.

What about the anti tank weapon mention in the warrant. ( an unregistered destructive device)???
Was it unregistered, or just not registered to dk? If so, does that allow the government to kill everyone?
 
Was it unregistered, or just not registered to dk? If so, does that allow the government to kill everyone?

If they had a bunch of 50cal machine guns and anti-tank weapons why didn’t they use them? Probably because it was all bullshit.

Feds were making a ton of noise about “rightwing conspiracy christian terrorism” and they needed an example for the cameras. So they picked the doomsday cult whom their own research indicated would be the most volatile and likely to resist.
 

Search Warrant​

United States District Court Western District of Texas
SEARCH WARRANT W93-15M

In the Matter of the Search of residence of Vernon Wayne Howell, and others, Rt . 7, Box 471-B, AKA: Mount Carmel Center, McLennan County, TX, its appurtenances, vehicles, underground structures located on entire premises of the 77 acre compound. See attached photos & property description Attachments A, B and C.

To: Special Agent Davy Aguilera and any Authorized Officer of the United States

Affidavit(s) having been made before me by S/A Davy Aguilera who has reason to believe that on the premises known as the residence of Vernon Wayne Howell and others, Rt 7 Box 471-B, AKA: Mount Carmel Center, Waco, McLennan County, Texas, its appurtenances, vehicles underground structures located on entire premises of the 77 acre compound. See attached photographs and property descriptions.in the Western District of Texas there is now concealed a certain person or property, namely (describe the person or property): SEE ATTACHED SHEET FOR CONCEALED PROPERTY (ATTACHMENT D)

I am satisfied that the affidavit(s) and any recorded testimony establish probable cause to believe that the person or property so described is now concealed on the person or promises above-described and establish grounds for the issuance of this warrant.

YOU ARE HEREBY COMMANDED to search on or before February 28,1993 (not to exceed ten days) the person or place named above for the person or property specified, serving this warrant and making the search in the daytime -6:00 A.M. to 10:00 P.M./at any time in the day or night as I find resonable cause has been established and if the person or property be found there to seize same, leaving a copy of this warrant and receipt for the person or property taken, and prepare a written inventory of the person or property seized and promptly return this warrant to Dennis G. Green (U.S. Judge or Magistrate) as required by law.

February 25, 1993 8:43 p.m at Waco, Texas

Attachment A​

The residence of Vernon Wayne Howell, and others, described as a large two story tan structure with a light gray composition roof, with several breaks in the roof line and white shutters on the windows; with a three or four story square addition to the structure near the center of the complex which appears to be an observation tower. There is a rusty cylindrical water tank at the north end of the structure which is approximately 60 feet in height. There are also numerous vehicles of various makes and models around the structure, as well as several outbuildings located on the premises which is approximately 70 to 80 acres in size. At the entrance driveway to the premises is a small frame shack.

To locate the property begin at Exit number 330, Loop 340 and Texas Highway number 6, at its intersection with Interstate Highway 35, just south of Waco, McLennan County, Texas, go east on Loop 340, which curves into a northerly direction for approximately 8.1 miles to its intersection with Texas Farm Road number 2491. Turn right, or east on Farm Road 2491, and proceed for approximately 5.6 miles to its intersection with Double EE Ranch Road/County Road number 222. Turn left, or north and proceed approximately .4 of a mile to the entrance driveway which is on the rifht or east side of Double EE Ranch Road. At the entrance to the property is one small mailbox and one large mailbox accompanied by a Waco Tribune Herald delivery box which is yellow in color with black printing upon it. Affiant and other authorized agents seek to search the _entire_ 70-80 acre compound, including all buildings, vehicles and structures on the premises located both above and below the ground.

PHOTOGRAPHS OF PROPERTY ARE ATTACHED AND MADE A PART HERETO.

Attachment D​

The following property is concealed:

A quantity of firearms, including but not limited to: an assortment of AR-15 rifles and AK-47 rifles, and parts thereof, along with a quantity of assorted machinegun conversion parts, which, when assembled, would be classified as machineguns, machinerty and implements used or suitable for use in converting semi-automatic weapons to fully automatic and for constructing destructive devices such as pipe bombs, and homemade grenades, this machinery would include, but not limited to metal lathes and milling machines, .50 caliber anti-tank rifle, sten guns, grenade launchers, practice rifle grenades, practice hand grenades, various chemicals, including but not limited to black powder, igniter cord, aluminum metal powder and potassium nitrate, magnesium metal powder, metals in various forms, inert "pineapple" type hand grenades, pipe bombs and parts thereof, and other suitable casings of unknown description which, when assembled, would be classified as destructive devices as those terms are defined in Section 5845 (b), and Section 5845 (f), Chapter 53, Title 26, United States Code, which are not registered with the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record, Washington, D.C., as required by law, and documentary and computerized evidence of receipt, ownership and instructions for converting semi-automatic firearms into machineguns, and the construction of improvised explosive weapons, including computer hardware, peripheral equipment and software containing files and directories and the information theron. This is to include any disks, manuals, printouts and other assorted computer equipment.

Affidavit​

Affiant alleges the following grounds for search and seizure.

I, Davy Aquilera, being duly sworn, depose and state that:

I am a Special Agent with the U.S. Treasury Department, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Austin, Texas and I have been so employed for approximately 5 years. This affidavit is based on my own investigation as well as information furnished to me by other law enforcement officers and concerned citizens.

As a result of my training and experience as a Special Agent for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, I am familiar with the Federal firearm and explosive laws and know that it is unlawful for a person to manufacure, possess, transfer, or to transport or ship in interstate commerce machineguns, machinegun conversion parts, or explosives which arre classified, by Federal law, as machineguns, and/or destructive devices, including any combination of parts either designed or intended for use in converting any firearm into a machinegun, or into a destructive device as defined by Federal law, and from which a destructive device may be readily assembled, without them being lawfully registered in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record, U.S. Treasury Department, Washington, D.C.

During my 5 years experience with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, I have investigated persons who have unlawfully possessed, transferred or shipped in interstate or foreign commerce firearms and/or explosive devices which were not registered to them with the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record, and have successfully participated in the prosecution of several of these individuals.

On June 4, 1992, I met with Lieutentant Gene Barber, McLennan County Sheriff's Department, Waco, Texas, who has received extensive training in explosives classification, identification adn the rendering safe of explosive devices and has been recognized in Federal Court as an expert witness in this field. Lt. Barber stated taht he had received informationn in May 1992, from an employee of United Parcel Service, Waco, Texas that from April through June of 1992, several deliveries had been made to a place known as the "Mag-Bag", Route 7 Box 555-b, Waco, Texas 76705, located on Farm Road number 2491, in the names of Mike Schroeder and David Koresh, which the UPS employee believed to be firearms components and explosives. Through my investigation, I know that the place known as the "Mag-Bag" is a small tract of land located at the above address which has two metal buildings located on it.

The name "Mag-Bag" comes from the shipping label which is accompanied many items shipped to the above address. I and other agents have personally observed vehicles consistently ove the past six months at the "Mag-Bag" locatoin which are registered to Vernon Wayne Howell, aka:David Koresh. Lieutentant Barber furhter stated that the UPS employees, Larry Gilbreath, became suspicious and concerned about the deliveries, most of which were shipped Cash On Delivery, (C.O.D.) because of their frequency and because of the method used by the recipient to receive the shipments and to pay for them.

Lieutenant Barber explained that David Koresh was an alias name used by Vernon Wayne Howell who operated a religious cult commune near Wacl, Texas at a place commonly known as the Mount Carmel Center, which is one of the premises to be searched and more specifically described above. i have learned from my investigation, particularly from my discussions with former cult members that Vernon Howell adopted the name David Koresh more than a year ago. The name "David Koresh" was chosen by Howell because Howell believed that the name helped designate him as the messiah or the anointed one of God. Lieutenant Barber further related that he was told by Gilbreath that he has been making deliveries to the "Mag Bag" and Mount Carmel Center on Double EE Ranch Road, Waco, Texas for several years, but he had never been suspicious of any of the deliveries until 1992. Gilbreath became concerned because he made several C.O.D. deliveries addressed to the "Mag-Bag" but when he would stop at that location he was instructed to wait while a telephone call was made to the Mount Carmel Center by the person at the "Mag-Bag", usually Woodrow Kendrick or Mike Schroeder, notifying the person who answered the phone at the Mount Carmel Center that UPS was coming there with a C.O.D. delivery, after which Gilbreath would be instructed to drive to the Mount Carmel Center to deliver the package and collect for it. That on those occasions when he was at the Mount Carmel Center to deliver and colect for the C.O.D. packages. He saw several manned observation posts, and believed that the observers were armed.

Lieutenant Barber stated that he was told by Larry Gilbreath (UPS) that in May of 1992 two cases of inert hand grenades and a quantity of black powder were delivered by him to the "Mag-Bag." The source of these shipments was unknown to Gilbreath.

On June 9,1992, I was contacted by Lieutentant Barber who told me that he had learned from Larry Gilbreath that in June of 1992, the United Parcel Service delivered ninety (90) pounds of powdered aluminum metal and 30 to 40 cardboard tubes, 24 inches in length and 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 inches in diameter, which were shipped from the Fox Fire Company, Pocatella, idaho, to "Mag-Bag." From another shipper whose identity is unknown, two parcels containing a total of sixty (60), M-16/AR-15 ammunition magazines were delivered by UPS to the "Mag-Bag" on June 8,1992. I know based upon my training and experience that an AR-15 is a semi-automatic rifle practically identical to the M-16 rifle carried by United States Armed Forces. The AR-15 rifle fires .223 caliber ammunition and, just like the M-16, can carry magazines of ammunition ranging from 30 to 60 rounds of ammunition. I have been involved in many cases where defendants, following a relarively simple process, convert AR-15 semi-automatic rifles to fully automatic rifles of the nature of the M-16. This conversion process can often be accomplished by an individual purchasing certain parts which will quickly transform the rifle to fire fully automatic. Often times templates, milling machines, lathes and instruction guides are utilzed by the converter.

Lieutenant Barber related to me the follwing background information about the Mount Carmel Center commune, which is located at Rt. 7, Box 471-b, Waco, Texas , and consists of some seventy (70) acres of land, occupied by Vernon W. Howell, a/k/a David Koresh and others.

The property was once owned and occupied by George Buchanan Roden, who once was an unannounced candidate for the office of President of the United States. Roden inherited the property sometime in the 1950's, and beginning about January 1986 established and led a religious cult group with about twenty (20) followers. He claimed to be the Prophet of the group. The property at that time was known as the "Elk Property/ Mt. Carmel Center." About this same time, Roden was in jeopardy of losing the property by foreclosure due to delinquent taxes which had not been paid since 1968.

About this same time, Vernon Wayne Howell, had established a similar group in Palestine, Texas, known as the Branch Davidian Seventh-Day Adventists. Sometime in 1987, Howell, laid claim to ownership of the Mr. Carmel Center property and wanted to acquire it by any means possible. On November 3,1987, Howell led an armed group of eight men into Roden's camp and a 45-minute gun battle ensued. Roden was shot in the finger and was the only person injured.

Eight people, including Vernon W. Howell and Paul Gordon Fatta were arrested by the McLennan County Sheriff's Department, Waco, Texas, and were indicted for attempted murder by a McLennan County Grand Jury. All eight subjects were tried in State court at Waco, Texas and were acquitted of the charges of attempted murder by a jury.

After the armed assault by Howell and his followers, George Roden vacated the property. In 1987, the property was taken over by Howell and his cult group. The taxes owed on the Mr. Carmel Center have been paid by Howell's group. His cult has grown to about seventy (70) to eighty (80) people which includes men, women and children who now live on the Nount Carmel Center property.

Lieutenant Barber furnished me with recently taken aerial photographs of the Mount Carmel Center which had been taken by Captain Dan Weyenberg of the McLennan County Sheriff's Department, Waco, Texas. Among the things noted in the photographs was a buried bus near the main structure and an observation tower, approximately three or four stories tall with windows on all four sides enabling a view from the structure of 360 degrees.

I was also advised by Lieutenant Barber that Robert Cervanka, a known long time McLennan County citizen, who lives near the Mount Carmel Center compound, had, on several occasions, from January through February of 1992, had heard machinegun fire coming from the compound property. Mr. Cervanka offered law enforcement authorities his residense to be used a surveillance post.

On July 21,1992, I met with Rovert L. Cervanka, Route 7, Box 103, Riesel, Texas. Mr. Cervanka farms the property surronding the east side of the Mount Carmel property. Mr. Cervanka stated he has farmed that area since 1948. From about January and February of 1992 he has heard machinegun fire on the Vernon Howell property during the night hours. He is familiar with and knows the sound of machinegun fire because he did a tour overseas with the U.S. Army. He believes that some of the gunfire he heard was being done with 50 caliber machineguns and possibly M-16 machineguns.

On November 13,1992, based on information gained from Gilbreath by Lieutenant Barber, I interviewed Dave Haupert, Olympic Arms Inc., Olympia, Washington, a company which had shipped several parcels to David Koresh at the "Mag-Bag", Rt. 7, Box 555-b, Waco. Texas. Mr. Haupert told me that the records of Olympic arms Inc., indicated that approximately forty-five(45) AR-15/M-16 rifle upper receiver units, with barrels of various calibers, had been shipped from March through April of 1992 to the Mag-Bag Corporation for a total cost of $11,107.31, cash of delivery.

On January 13,1993, I interviewed Larry Gilbreath in Waco, Texas, and confirmed the information which ahd previously been related to me by Lieutenant Barber. Mr. Gilbreath told me that although he had been making deliveries at the "Mag Bag" and the Mount Carmel Center for quite some time, his suspicion about the packages being delivered to those places never was aroused until about February 1992. At that time the invoices accompanying a number of packages reflected that they contained firearm parts and accessories as well as various chemicals. He stated that in May 1992, a package which was addressed to the "Mag Bag" accidently broke open while it was being loaded on his delivery truck. He saw that it contained three boxes the contents of which were "pineapple" type hand grenades which he believed to be inert. He stated that here were about fifty of the grenades and that he later delivered them to the Mount Carmel Center. The Mount Carmel Center is that tract of land depicted in the photograph labeled "attachment B" with the main residential structure being depicted in "attachment C."

Mr. Gilbreath stated that these suspicious packages were usually addressed to the "Mag Bag" or to David Koresh. When he would stop to deliver them to the "Mag Bag", he was met most of the time by Woodrow Kendrick, and on other occasions by Steve Schneider. They would have him wait while they telephoned the Mount Carmel Center to tell them that UPS was coming with a C.O.D. package. He would be instructed to take the package(s) to the Mount Carmel Center, he was usually met by Perry Jones or, on occasion, by Steve Schneider, who would pay the C.O.D. charges in cash and would accept delivery of the shipments.

On this same date, June 8,1992, I interviewed Glen Deruiter, Manager, Sarco Inc., Stirling, New Jersy, and learned from him that in May of 1992, their company shipped one M-16 parts set kit with a sling and magazine to the "Mag-Bag" in the name of David Koresh. The total value of these items was $284.95

Also on June 8,1992, I interviewed Cynthia Alco, Owner/Manager, Nesard Gun Parts Company, Barrington, Illinois, and learned from her that in May of 1992, her company shipped to the "Mag-Bag", two (2) M-16 machinegun car kits and two (2) M-16 machinegun E2 kits. These kits contain all the parts of an M-16 machinegun, except for the lower receiver unit which is the "firearm" by lawful definition. Ms. Alco stated that the total amount of sales to the Mag-Bag was $1227.00. Within the past month, I have spoken with Curtis Bartlett, Firearms Technician with BATF and have learned that Nesard Company has been under investigation in the past by ATF for engaging in a scheme to supply parts which would enable individuals to construct illegal weapons from various component parts.

On June 9, 1992, I requested that a search of the records of the National Fireamrs Registration and Transfer Record, Washington, D.C., to determine if Vernon W. Howell and/or Paul G. Fatta, one of Howell's closest follwers, had any machineguns or other NFA weapons registered to them. The result of the search was negative.

On this same date, June 9, 1992, I requested a search of the records of the Firearms Licensing Section of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Atlanta, Georgia, to determine if Howell, Fatta or the "Mag-Bag" Corporation were licenses as Fieramrs dealers or manufacturers. The result of this search was negative.

On June 10, 1992, I requested a search of the records of the Firearms Licensing Section of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Atlanta, Georgia, to determine if David Koresh, Howell's alias name or David M. Jones, a known associate of Howell, were licensed as Firearms dealers of manufacturers. The result of this search was negative.

On June 23,1992, I spoke with ATF compliance Inspector Robert Souza, Seattle, Washington, who inquired about the Mag Bag Corporation, Route 7, Box 555, Waco, Texas. He had received some invoices reflecting a large quantity of upper receivers and AR-15 parts being shipped to "Mag Bag", Waco, Texas, from Olympic Arms Inc., 624 Old Pacific Hwy., S.E. Olympia, Washington. Inspector Souza faxed me copies of invoices, reflecting purchases of twenty (20) AR-15 upper receiver units with barrels by the "Mag Bag" on March 26th and 30th, 1992. These items are in addition to the items referred to above.

As a result of my investigation of shipments to Howell/Koresh and Mike Schroeder at the "Mag-Bag" Corporation, Waco, Texas, through the United Parcel Service, and the inspection of the firearms records of Henry McMahon, dba, Hewitt Hand Guns, Hewitt, Texas, I have learned that they acquired during 1992, the following firearms and related explosive paraphernalia:

one hundred four (104), AR-15/M-16, upper receiver groups with barels. Eight thousand, one hundred (8,100) rounds of 9mm and .223 caliber ammunition for AR-15/M-16. Twenty (20), one hundred round capacity drum magazines for AK-47 rifles. Two hundred sixty (260), M-16/AR-15 magazines. Thirty (30) M-14 magazines. Two (2) M-16 E2 kits. Two (2) M-16 car kits. One M-76 grenade launcher. Two hundred (200) M-31, practice rifle grenades. Four (4) M-16 parts set Kits "A". Two (2) flare launchers Two cases, (approximately 50) inert practice hand grenades. 40-50 pounds of black gun powder. Thirty (30) pounds of Potassium Nitrate. Five (5) pounds of Magnesium metal powder. One pound of Igniter cord. ( A class C explosive) Ninety-one (91) AR/15 lower receiver units. Twenty-six (26) various calibers and brands of hand guns and long guns. 90 pounds of aluminum metal powder. 30-40 cardboard tubes.

The amount of expenditures for the above listed firearm paraphernalia, excluding the (91) AR-15 lower receiver units and the (26) complete firearms, was in excess of $44,300.

From my investigation, I have learned that a number of shipments to the "Mag-Bag" have been from vendors with questionable trade practices. One is presently under investigation by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, for violations fo the National Firearms Act, which prohibits unlawful possession of machineguns, silencers, destructive devices, and machinegun conversion kits.

Because of the sensitivity of this investigation, these vendors have not been contacted by me for copies of invoices indicating the exact items shipped to the Mag-Bag.

On November 13,1992, I interviewed Lieutenant Coy Jones, McLennan County Sheriff's Department, Waco, Texas, and learned from him that he had spoken with an employee of the United Parcel Servcie , Waco, Texas, who wished to remain anonymous. This person told Jones that Marshal Keith Butler, a relative of the person who wishes to remain anoymous, is a machinist by trade, and is associated with Vernon Howell.

The records of the Texas Department of Public Safety reflect that Butler has been arrested on seven (7) occasions since 1984 for unlawful possession of drugs. Two of the arrests resulted in convictions for possession of a controlled substance. Butler's latest arrest and conviction was in January 1992. Butler received a sentence of three (3) years in the Texas Department of Corrections. In April 1992 Butler was paroled to McLennan County, Texas.

On November 13,1992, I interviewed Terry Fuller, a deputy sheriff for teh McLennan County Sheriff's Department, Waco, Texas, and learned from him that on November 6,1992, at approximately 1:25 p.m., while on routine patrol in the area of the Mount Carmel Center, the property controlled by Vernon Howell, he heard a loud explosion in the area of the north part of the Mount Carmel Property. As he drove toward the area where he thought the explosin had occurred, he observed a large cloud of grey smoke dissipating from ground level on the north end of the Mount Carmel property.

On December 7,1992, I spoke with Special Agent Carlos Torres, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Houston, Texas, who had been assisting me in a portion of this investigation. He related to me the results of his interview on December 4,1992, with Joyce Sparks, Texas Department of Human Service, Waco, Texas. Special Agent Torres told me that Ms. Sparks received a complaint from outside the State of Texas, that David Doresh was operating a commune type compound, and that he was sexually abusing young girls. Ms. Sparks stated that on February 27,1992, she along with two other employees of the Texas Department of Human Services and Two McLennan County Sheriff's Deputies responded to the complaint. They went to the Mount CArmel Center compound located east of Waco in McLennan County. When they arrived at the compound, they were met by a lady who identified herself as Rachel Koresh, the wife of David Koresh.

(one line missing) Koresh was not there. She had strict orders from him not to talk with anyone unless he was present. Ms. Sparks finally was able to convince Mrs. Koresh to allow her to talk with some of the children. who were present. She talked to a young boy about 7 or 8 years old. The child said that he could not wait to grow up and be a man. When Ms. Sparks asked him why he was in such a hurry to grow up, he replied that when he grew up he would get a "long gun" just like all the other men there. When Ms. Sparks pursued the subject, the boy told her that all the adults had guns and that they were always practicing with them.

Ms. Sparks also told Special Agent Torres that she was escorted throught part of th ebuilding where she noted a lot of construction being performed. She also said that she could not determine how many people were in the group, but estimated about sixty (60) to seventy (70)people there including men, women and children. She stated that she saw about 15 to 20 adult males there.

Ms. Sparks also said that on April 6,1992, she visited the compound again. On this occasion she talked with David Koresh. She asked Koresh about the firearms which she had been told by the small child. Koresh admitted that there were a few firearms there, but said that most of the adults did not know of them, and that there were too few to be of any significance. Ms. Sparks said that when she pressed Koresh about the firearms and their location at the compound, he offered to show her around. He requested that she wait about 30 minutes until he could get the other residents out of the building so they would not see where he had the firearms stored. After a period of time, Ms. Sparks was escorted through part of the building by Koresh. She noted that there was more construction activityy and that the inside of the structure looked quite differant from her previous visit. Each time Ms. Sparks asked Koresh about the location of the firearms, he would tell her that they were in a safe place where the children could not get to them. Then he would change the subject.

Ms. Sparks said that she noticed a trap door in the floor at one end of the building. Whe she inquired about it, Koresh allowed her to look into the trap door. She could see a ladder leading down into a buried school bus from which all the seats had been removed. At one end of the bus she could see a very large refrigerator with numerous bullet holes. She also saw three long guns lying on the floor of the bus, however, she did not know the make or caliber of them. Whe stated that there was no electricity in the bus. Everything she saw was with the aid of a pen light. When questioned by Ms. Sparks, Koresh said that the bus was where he practiced his target shooting in order not to distrub his neighbors.

Ms. Sparks felt the entire walk through the compound was staged for her by Koresh. When she asked to speak with some of the children and other residents, Koresh refused, stating they were not available. She said that during her conversation with Koresh, he told her that he was the "Messenger" from God, that the world was coming to an end, and that when he "reveals" himself the riots in Los Angeles would pale in comparison to what was going to ahppen in Waco, Texas. Koresh stated that it would be a "military type operation" and that all the "non-believers" would have to suffer.

On December 11,1992, I interviewed Robyn Bunds in LaVerne, California. Robyn Bunds is a former member and resident of Vernon Howell's commune in Waco, Texas. She told me that in 1988, at the age of 19, she gave birth to a son who was fathered by Vernon Howell. Her departure from the commune in 1990 was a result of Howell becoming progressively more violent and abusive.

While she was there, she and the other residents were subjected to watching extremely violent movies of the Vietnam war which Howell would refer to as training films. Howell forced members to stand guard of the commune 24 hours a day with loaded weapons. Howell always was in possession of firearms and kept one under his bed while sleeping. Robyn stated that her present residence in California belonged to her parents. For a period of several years Howell had exclusive control of the residence and used it for other members of his cult when he was in California. It was later relinquished by Howell to Robyn's mother. In June 1992, while she was cleaning one of the bedrooms of the residence she found a plactic bag containing gun parts. She showed them to her brother, David Bunds, who has some knowledge of firearms. He told her that it was a machinegun conversion kit. She stored the gun parts in her garage because she felt certain that Howell would send some of his followers to pick them up. Subsequent to her discovery of the conversion kit, Paul Fatta, Jimmy Riddle, and Neal Vaega, all members of Howell's cult and residents of the commune in Waco, came from Waco, Texas, to California and picked up the conversion kit.

On December 12,1992, I interviewed Jeannine Bunds, the mother of Robyn and David Bunds. She told me that she was a former member of Howell's group in Waco, Texas, having left there in September 1991. She is a registered nurse and was working in that capacity at the Good Samaritan Hospital, Los Angeles, California. While at Howell's commune in Waco, she participated in live fire shooting exercises conducted by Howell. She saw several long guns there, some of which she described as AK-47 rifles. Mrs. Bunds described the weapon to me and was able identify an AK-47 from among a number of photographs of firearms shown to her by me. I believe that she is well able to identify an AK-47. In July of 1991, she saw Howell shooting a machinegun on the back portion of the commune property. She knew it was a machinegun because it functioned with a very rapid fire and would tear up the ground when Howell shot it. Mrs. Bunds also told me that Howell had fathered at least fifteen (15) children from various women and young girls at the compound. Some of the girls who had babies fathered by Howell were as young as 12 years old. She had personally delivered seven(7) of these children.

According to Ms. Bunds, Howell annuls all marriages of couples who join his cult. He then has exclusive sexual access to the women. He also, accoring to Mrs. Bunds, has regular sexual relations with young girls there. The girls ages are from eleven (11) years old to adulthood.

On January 6,1993, I interviewed Jeannine Bunds again in Los Angeles, California. I showed her seveal photographs of firearms and explosives devices. She identified an AR-15 rifle and a pineapple type hand grenade as being items which she had seen a the Mournt CArmel Center while she was there. She stated that she saw several of the AR-15 and at least one of the hand grenades.

On January 7,1993, I interviewed Deborah Sue Bunds in Los Angeles, California. She was the wife of David Bunds, and she had been a member of the "Branch Davidian" since birth. She stated she first met Vernon Wayne Howell in July 1980. When Howell assumed leadership of the "Branch" in Waco, Texas, in 1987, he began to change the context of their Doctrine. While she was at the Mount Carmel compound in Waco, Texas, she was assigned, under Howell's direction, to guard duty with a loaded weapon. About February 1989, she observed Howell shooting a machinegun behind the main structure of the compound. She is sure the firearm was a machinegun because of the rapid rate of fire and the rate of fire was much different from that which was usually conducted during practice exercises on the compound. After describing the firing of this weapon to me, I believe that Ms. Bunds was describing the firing of an automatic weapon.

Mrs. Deborah Bunds also told me that during an evening meal a short time after having seen Howell shoot the machinegun, she overheard Howell and his closest associates discussing machineguns. Howell was very excited about having a machinegun. He voiced a desire to acquire additional machineguns, specifically AK-47 type machineguns.

During this investigation I made inquiries of a number of law enforcment data bases for information about those commune residents who I have been able to identify. Through TECS I learned that some forty (40) foreign nationals from Jamaica, United Kingdom, Israel, Australia and New Zealand have entered the United States at various times in the past and have used the address of the Mount Carmel Center, Waco, Texas as their point of contact while here. According to INS records most of these foreign nationals have over stayed their entry permits or visas and are therefore illegally in the United States. I know that it is a violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 922 for an illegal alien to receive a firearm.

On January 1, and January 3,1993 , Mrs. Poia Vaega of Mangars, Auckland, New Zealand, was interviewed telephonically by Resident Agent in Charge Bill Buford, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Little Rock, Arkansas, who also is assisting me in this investigation. The results of Special Agent Buford's interview on January 3,1993, was tape recorded with the permission of Poia Vaega and has since been transcripted and typewritten. Both the tape recording and the interviews with Poia Vaega revealed a falst imprisonment for a term of three and one half (3 1/2) months which began in June of 1991 and physical and sexual abuse of one of Mrs. Vaega's sisters, Doreen Saipaia. This was while she was a member of the "Branch Davidian" at the Mount Carmel Center, Waco, Texas. The physical and sexual abuse was done by Vernon Wayne Howell and Stanley Sylvia, a close follower of Howell, on several occasions.

It was learned from Mrs. Vaega that she and her husband, Leslie, were also members of Howell's group in Waco for a short period of time in March 1990. Upon their arrival at Mount Carmel Center, she and her husband were separated and not allowed to sleep together or have any sexual contact.

According to Mrs. Vaega, all the firls and women at the compound were exclusively reserved for Howell. She stated that Howell would preach his philosophy, which did not always conincide with the Bible, for hours at a time. She and her husband left the compound after ten (10) days because her husband did not agree with Howell's doctrine, but that her two sisters stayed behind.

Mrs. Vaega also related taht she was present at one of the study periods held by Howell when Howell passed his personal AK-47 machinegun around for the group to handle and look over.

On January 6,1993, I received the results of an examination conducted by Jerry A. Taylor, Explosives Enforcement Officer, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Walnut Creek, California, in response to a requrest from me to render an opinion on device design, construction, functioning, effacts, and classification of explosives materials which have been accumulated by Howell and his followers. Mr. Taylor has received extensive training in Explosives Classification, Identification and rendering safe of explosive devices and has been recognized on numerous occasions as an expert witness in Federal court. Mr. Taylor stated that the chemicals Potassium Nitrate, Aluminum, and Magnesium, when mixed in the proper proportions, do constitute an explosive as defined by Federal law. He further stated that Igniter cord is an explosive. Also Mr. Taylor stated that the inert practice rifle grenades and hand grenades would, if modified as weapons with the parts avaliable to Howell, become explosives devices as defined by Federal law. Finally he stated that black powder, is routinely used as the main charge when manufacturing improvised explosive weapons such as grenades and pipe bombs. I know that Title 26, United States Code, Section 5845 makes it unlawful for a person to possess any combination of parts designed or intended for use in converting any device into a destructive device. The definition of "firearm" includes any combination of parts, either designed or inteded for use in converting any device into a destructive device such as a grenade, and from which a destructive device may be readily assembled. See United States v. Price, 877 F.2d 334 (5thCir.1989). So long as an individual possesses all of the component parts, item constitutes a destructive device even though it is not assembled, so long as it can be readily assembled. United States v. Russell, 468 F. Supp.322 (D.C. Tex 1979)


On January 8,1993, I interviewed Marc Breault in Los Angeles, California. He is an American citizen who lives in Australia with his wife Elizabeth. He was once a member of the "Branch Davidian" in Waco, Texas. He lived a the Mount Carmel Center from early 1988 until September 1989. While there he participated in physical training and firearm shooting exercises conducted by Howell. He stood guard armed with a loaded weapon. Guard duty was maintained twenty-four (24) hours a day seven (7) days a week. Those who stood guard duty were instructed by Howell to "shoot to kill" anyone attempted to come through the entrance gate of the Mount Carmel property. On one occasion, Howell told him that he wanted to obtain and/or manufacture machineguns, grenades and explosive devices. Howell stated he thought that the gun control laws were ludicrious, because an individual could easily acquire a firearm and the necessary parts to convert it to a machinegun, but if a person had the gun and the parts together they would be in violation of the law. On another occasion, Howell told him that he was interested in acquiring the "Anarchist's Cook Book", which I know is a publication outlining clandestine operations to include instructions and formulas for manufacturing improvised explosive devices.

On January 12, 1993, I spoke with Special Agent Earl Dunagan, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Austin, Texas, who is assisting me in the investigation. He related the resulrs of his inquiry to the ATF Firearms Techonology Branch, Washington, D.C., for an opinion concerning the firearms parts which have been accumulated by Howell and his group. Special Agent Dunnagan stated that he had spoken with Curtis Bartlett, Firearms Enforcement Officer, Washington, D.C., and was told by Officer Bartlett that the firearms parts which Howell has received and the method by which he has recieved them, is consistent with activities in other ATF investigations in various parts of the United States, which have resulted in the discovery and seizure of machineguns. Mr. Bartlett stated that the firearms parts received by Howell could be used to assemble both semi-automatic firearms and machineguns. He has examined many firearms which had been assembled as machineguns which included these type parts.

Mr. Bartlett also told Special Agent Dunagan that one of the vendors of supplies to Howell has been the subject of several ATF investigations in the past. ATF executed a search warrant at this company and had seized a number of illegal machineguns and silencers.

Special Agent Dunagan told me that on January 12,1993, he spoke with Special Agent Mark Mutz, ATF, Washington, D.C., who was the case agent on the above ongoing investigation dealing with the illicit supplier who has provided gun parts to Howell. Special Agent Mutz stated that during the execution of the Federal search warrant at the company's office in South Carolina, he saw large quantities of M-16 machinegun and AK-47 machinegun parts. The company maintained their inventory of these parts as "replacement parts" so they fell easily within a loophole in the Federal law which prohibited ATF from seizing the parts. Special Agent Mutz stated taht the company had all the necessary parts to convert AR-15 rifles and AK-47 rifles into machineguns if their customers had the upper and lower receivers for those firearms. Based on my investigation, as stated above in the description of gun parts shipped to Howell, I know that Howell possesses the upper and lower receivers for the firearms which he is apparently trying to convert to fully automatic.

Mr. Bartlett told me that another one of the vendors of suplies to Howell, Nesard Gun Parts Co., 27 W. 990 Industrial Rd., Barringon, Ill., has also been the subject of an ATF investigation. Officer of that company, Gerald Graysen Cynthia alco and Anthony Alco all pled guilty to ATF charges. The Nesard Co., which owned Sendra Corporation, was shipping AR-15 receivers through the Sendra Corp., along with part kits from the Nesard Co. When these parts are assembled it resulted in the manufacture of a short barrelled rifle. Even though the above subjects are convicted felons they continue to conduct business because the Nesard Gun Parts Co., distributes gun parts and not firearms.

On January 25,1993, I interviewed David Block in Los Angeles, California. He stated that he was a member of Howell's cult at the Mount Carmel Center, Waco, Texas, from March 1992, until June 23,1992. During the time he was there, he attended two Gun Shows with Vernon Howell, Mike Schroeder, Paul Fatta, and Henry McMahon who is a Federally licensed firearms dealer. The gun shows were in Houston and San Antonio, Texas.

While at the Mount Carmel Center he saw a metal lathe and a metal milling machine which were normally operated by Donald Bunds and Jeff Little. Donald Bunds, a mechanical engineer, has the capability to fabricate firearms parts, according to Block. On one occasion at the Mount Carmel Center, he observed Bunds designing, what Bunds described as a "grease gun/sten gun" on an Auto Cad Computer located at the residence building at the compound. The computer has the capability of displaying a three dimensional rendering of objects on a computer monitor screen. The object appeared to be a cylindrical tube with a slot out into the side of it for a bolt cocking lever. Bunds told him that Howell wanted Bunds to design a "grease gun" which they could manufacture. Mr. Block told me that on another occasion at the Mount Carmel Center he saw Donald Bund designing a template which Bunds explained was to fit around the "grease gun" tubes indicating where the bolt lever slots were to be milled out. This was another step in manufacturing "grease guns" which had been requested by Howell. I know that a "grease gun" is a machinegun following after the design of a World War II era military weapon.

During his time at the Mount Carmel Center Mr. Block was present several occasions when Howell would sk if anyone had any knowledge about making hand grenades or converting semi-automatic rifles to machineguns. At one point he also heard discussion about a shipment of inert hand grenades and Howell's intent to reactiviate them. Mr. Block stated that he observed at the compound published magazines such as, the "Shotgun News" and other related clandestine magazines. He heard extensive talk of the existence of the "Anarchist Cook Book".

Mr. Block told me that he observed a .50 caliber rifle mounted on a bi-pod along with .50 caliber ammunition. However, what Mr. Block described to ATF Agents, was a British Boys, .52 caliber, anti-tank rifle (a destructive device). Mr. Block further stated that he also heard talk of the existence of two additional .50 caliber rifles on the compound. There was also extensive talk about converting the .50 caliber rifles and other rifles to machineguns.

Mr. Block also told me that he met James Paul Jones from Redding, California, who was visiting the Mount Carmel Center in April or May of 1992. According to Howell, Jones was a firearms and explosives expert.

On Februrary 22,1993 ATF Special Agent Robert Rodriquez told me that on February 21, 1993, while acting in an undercover capacity, he was contacted by David Koresh and was invited to the Mount Carmel Compound. Special Agent Rodriguez accepted the invitation and met with David Koresh inside the compound. Vernon Howell, also known as David Koresh played music on a guitar for 30 minutes and then began to read the Bible to Special Agent Rodriguez. During this session, Special Agent Rodriquez was asked numerous questions about his life. After answering all the questions Special Agent Rodriquez was asked to attend a two week Bible session with David Koresh. This was for Special Agent to learn the 7 Seals and become a member of the group. Special Agent Rodriquez was told that by becoming a member he(Rodriquez) was going to be watched and disliked. David Koresh stated that Special Agent Rodriquez would be disliked because the Government did not consider the group religious and that he (Koresh) did not pay taxes or local taxes because he felt he did not have to. David Koresh told Special Agent Rodriquez that he believed in the right to bear arms but that the U.S. Government was going to take away that right. David Koresh asked Special Agent Rodriquez if he knew that if he (Rodriquez) purchased a drop-in-searfor an AR-15 rifle it would not be illegal, but if he (Rodriquez) had an AR-15 rifle with the sear that it would be against the law. David Koresh stated that the sear could be purchased legally. David Koresh stated that the Bible gave him the right to bear arms. David Koresh then advised Special Agent Rodriquez that he had something he wanted Special Agent Rodriquez to see. At that point he showed Special Agent Rodriquez a video tape of ATF which was made by the Gun Owners Association (G.O.A.). This film portrayed ATF as an agency who violated the rights of Gun Owners by threats and lies.

I believe that Vernon Howell, also known as David Koresh and/or his followers who reside at the compound known legally as the Mount Carmel Centere are unlawfully manufacturing and possessing machineguns and explosive devices.

It has been my experience over the five years that I have been a Special Agent for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and that of other Special Agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, some of whom have the experience of twenty (20) years or more, who have assisted in this investigation that it is a common practice for persons enganged in the unlawful manufacture and possession of maachineguns and explosive devices to employ surreptitious methods and means to acquire the products nessacary to produce such items, and the production, use and storage of those items are usually in a protected or secret environment. It is also my experience that persons who acquire firearms, firearm parts, and explosive materials maintain records of receipt and ownership of such items and instruction manuals or other documents explaining the methods of construction of such unlawful property.

SIGNED DAVY AQUILERA, SPECIAL AGENT BUREAU OF ATF

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN TO BEFORE ME THIS 25TH DAY OF FEBRUARY, 1993

DENNIS G. GREEN UNITED STATES MAGISTRATE JUDGE WESTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS-WACO

Motion to Seal​

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
WESTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS
WACO DIVISION
Filed, Feb. 26, 1993
Clerk, U.S. Dist.Crt

CRIMINAL NO. W93-15M
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

V.

IN RE: SEARCH OF THE RESIDENCE OF VERNON WAYNE HOWELL, AND OTHERS, RT.7, BOX 471-B, ALSO KNOWN AS THE MOUNT CARMEL CENTER, WACO, MCLENNAN COUNTY, TEXAS, ITS APPURTENANCES, VEHICLES AND UNDERGROUND STRUCTURES LOCATED ON THE ENTIRE PREMISES OF THE 77 ACRE COMPOUND

GOVERNMENT'S MOTION TO SEAL

Comes now the United States of America, by and through the United States Attorney for the Western District of Texas, and moves this Honorable Court for an order that this motion, along with the Search Warrant and Affidavit and other related papers in this case be placed under the seal of the Court until further order. The basis for this action is the need to ensure the integrity of an ongoing criminal investigation against Vernon Wayne Howell and others. It is believed that evidence may be altered or destroyed should the direction of the investigation become evident.

Respectfully submitted,

RONALD F. EDERER
UNITED STATES ATTORNEY

By:

[signature]
Assistant U. S. Attorney
P. O. Box 828
Waco, TX 76703
(817) 757-6245
The point I was trying to make is that such items should be legal IAW the U.S Constitution.

What other disciplines did they use to confirm the reliability of the reporting in your post? I see where a gAyTF agent said he believed the branch Dravidian’s were making auto’s so what did he use to confirm that?

I also remember the US Govt being 100% certain there were WMDs in Iraq as well. We all know how that turned out.