Rifle Scopes New 1-8 scopes @shot?
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There are two Nightforce models. Both very nice. The ATACR 1-8x has a much larger eyepiece and eyebox, making it better for tactial 1x and immediate switch to 8x. The other is just as nice, but not as forgiving in the target aquisition, and 40% of the cost.
S&B is still working on releasing thier 1-8x with dual focal plane. Very nice.
The surprise for me was the 1-6x Steiner Mil scope. I think it is a little nicer than the NF, and a very clean reticle.
Honorable mention on the budget side goes to 1-8x ACSS Primary Arms scope, as well as Sightron FFP milrad, while not a 1-8x, they have come a long way with the SVSED 4.5-45x.
S&B is still working on releasing thier 1-8x with dual focal plane. Very nice.
The surprise for me was the 1-6x Steiner Mil scope. I think it is a little nicer than the NF, and a very clean reticle.
Honorable mention on the budget side goes to 1-8x ACSS Primary Arms scope, as well as Sightron FFP milrad, while not a 1-8x, they have come a long way with the SVSED 4.5-45x.
How much does Burris/Steiner pay to to inject that coolaide up your ass?
It might take awhile. Either the dude is getting paid to shill or he is so bias that his opinion is worthless. Never seen such an obvious shill in a gunboard before.
I've seen a few. He has not talked me out of the ATACAR. I need a juicy eyebox at 1X.
I'm not even that big of a fan of NF but to not recognize that these two 1-8 offerings are about to take the crown as the the best LPO on the market is just silly. Vortex on the cheap end and Leupold on the high end are going to loose alot of sales to nightforce over the coming years. Now watch his clown talk about how a $400 stiener or xtr2 is just as good at half the price. ROFL.
Never mentioned Burris? Really? Do you have amnesia? You have been posting about "much Burris" at least since I have been on the board and a quick search would reveal way before that. When people read your name they ,like me, probably say here goes the Burris/Steiner shill again...before ever reading your posts.
Thats nice. Why don't you write an equally compelling answer to Birddog's question as to why everyone is allowed an opinion right up until they become affiliated with a company? Or is it just Birddog or Burris that sets you off? Do you go after Rob01 for his affiliations?
It's not a secret that there are a few company reps on this site. If Birddog jumped into every Vortex/Leupold/NF/Bushnell etc. thread putting down those manufacturers while name dropping Burris I could understand your dislike. As it is I don't see anything underhanded about the way Birddog posts on this site.
I looked at both NX8 and ATACR F1 rather carefuly at SHOT. Both seem like very respectable designs, but it is hard to make too many conclusions at a tradeshow. The illumination brightness is a standout feature.
ATACR is pretty forgiving in terms of eye position, but the problem is that it is priced to compete with a bunch of very competent designs, like Minox ZP5, Elcan Spectre TR, S&B PMII, etc. That is a tough category and I am very curious to see how it will do.
Personally, I am more interested in the NX8, specifically because of how compact it is. I would much preferred the reticle from the ATACR in the NX8, but either way, it is very much worth a look.
Also, keep in mind that there are some other scopes coming out that will compete in this category, so it will be interesting to see how things will shake up.
Crowning the any one scope as the king of low power variables is a little premature, since the competition there is fierce. A lot will come down to reticles and illumination. I was quite impressed with PA's Griffin Mil and Nightforce's FC-DM, but I am sure otehr companies are going to be updating their reticles as well.
Generally, I plan to look at a bunch of 1-8x scopes in the $1k to $2k range during the coming year. I am not sure how many of them I will be able to get my hands on, but NX8 is definitely on my list. The $2.5k and up category is also interesting, but I am not sure if I will be able to get to it this year.
ILya
ATACR is pretty forgiving in terms of eye position, but the problem is that it is priced to compete with a bunch of very competent designs, like Minox ZP5, Elcan Spectre TR, S&B PMII, etc. That is a tough category and I am very curious to see how it will do.
Personally, I am more interested in the NX8, specifically because of how compact it is. I would much preferred the reticle from the ATACR in the NX8, but either way, it is very much worth a look.
Also, keep in mind that there are some other scopes coming out that will compete in this category, so it will be interesting to see how things will shake up.
Crowning the any one scope as the king of low power variables is a little premature, since the competition there is fierce. A lot will come down to reticles and illumination. I was quite impressed with PA's Griffin Mil and Nightforce's FC-DM, but I am sure otehr companies are going to be updating their reticles as well.
Generally, I plan to look at a bunch of 1-8x scopes in the $1k to $2k range during the coming year. I am not sure how many of them I will be able to get my hands on, but NX8 is definitely on my list. The $2.5k and up category is also interesting, but I am not sure if I will be able to get to it this year.
ILya
As in this year or next? I thought for sure US Optics would have had a new 1-8 at shot this year.
For the last couple years the vortex 1-6 and the MK8 1.1-8 have been the kings in their respective price ranges.
I don't care what game gunners use nor what people who don't take their guns into harm use. The Gen 2 Vortex and Mk8 have been king and that is not really debatable. Before that, the NXS 1-4, S&B 1.1-4 and to a much lesser extent the 2.5-10x24 were the only LPV's worth owning.
The NXS and ATACR bring all the features people want (Good eyebox, DAYLIGHT bright illum, solid tracking, usable reticles and FFP) into the same package. USO was sort of close with the 1-8 but it was poorly executed and wonky. March may have something with their 1-8 but its does not have a good reticle or thethe track record or that nightforce has making combat optics.
The new NF with their features will take over the LPV world until something as good or better comes along. Maybe S&B will unfuck their self after trying for half a decade to get the 1-8 to work. Maybe Bushnell with get the DFP tech down and give us a daylight bright optic. Maybe if Kahles or Swaro ever came out with a usable reticle or Trijicon could figure out how to do daylight illum in their 1-x's. No one is using that Elcan Garbage besides fanboys who bought them because non shooting retards at SOCOM decided to select them.
If it can't be used like a red dot on 1x then it is useless.
Mark my words, unless some other optic comparable to the NF offerings comes out from a respected company, they will own the market. Even vortex has been resting on its ass and the best they can do is shave a few oz off a 5 year old product.
I think your right. I’m not sure about the need for a 34mm 8x scope? Would love to see more 30mm options.
If they put the ATACR reticle in the NX8, it would be the perfect LPV. But they probably won't because they would end up selling 10:1 and they won't cannibalize their own lineup.
Bingo! Go take your 3-gun or square range expertise elsewhere, these optics weren't designed for you.
Just because it works for games doesn't mean it was designed as such. The fact is the best combat optics end up being the best gamer optics due to actual quality and features. It's not like a guy carrying a rifle up the side of a mountain wants light weight, compact and simple to use optic that is reliable.
Why use inferior quality shit when you can use something more robust and proven. That's a big duh.
Why use inferior quality shit when you can use something more robust and proven. That's a big duh.
As the erector multiple increases the complexity of a FFP reticle increases dramatically. A 1-10 would be could unusable.
I was really hoping for a 1-8x36 or 1.5-10x36 but I guess I'm the only one wanting a light/compact scope with better eyebox and small Christmas tree reticle
You're not the only one. See someone else's prior comment on the ATACR reticle in the NX8 being a nice combo, if they'd do it.
For the $ to go to the ATACR, I'd likely go with the Minox.
Man this would really be the ticket for an AR platform!
I know they are not in the same class but Bushnell has a new 1-8 in its ar line and Millett has a new 1-8 tac. Believe both to be illuminated. One of my distributors lists both as coming soon but I can't find any additional info on them. They are not listed on either co's websites.
Illumination is worthless unless it is daylight bright and can substitute a red dot. This is why, 90% of LPV's are trash and useless.
