New Arken Offering
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That image was with the sunshade. I don't run any scope without one. I did not, however, have any flip caps on the front, because it had no yet arrived on order (at that time). I will post up once the EP5 arrives......I recall that post, even just went back in the posts and reconfirmed what I recalled. Nice rig, but unfortunately the angle of the photo didn't really show how much clearance was achieved. My questions are how much clearance would be available when configured with & without sunshade attached and if the "Flip Its" are installed with and without sunshade. Sent an e-mail to Arken asking same, probably get an answer "next year"
I can’t comment on the EP5, but the strike eagle is pretty nice and worth the money in my opinion.EP5 or Strike Eagle? You gents decide. I buy tomorrow.
I own a new Strike Eagle 5-25x56 EBR-7C scope, and still bought an EP5... Through my eyes, the SE is on-par with the SH4 Gen2 glass...But some say they prefer the SE glass better? I think they're pretty equal through mine, so that will be a personal thing. But, what I DO know about them... The SE has Chinese "XD" glass (whatever that is?). And the EP5 has actual Japanese ED glass, like the top-tier brands like the Vortex Razor, NF, and many other top-end brands. I don't know if the glass will be on-par with those... B/c I haven't looked through an EP5 yet. Mine still hasn't shipped-out. But I do know that it will most-likely be a big step up over the SE's glass, just being the nature of the beast (ED vs. XD).EP5 or Strike Eagle? You gents decide. I buy tomorrow.
Once again, that's just speculation...Since nobody here has actually looked through an EP5 yet.
I will post up and update once it comes in, and I can compare the EP5 and SE side-by-side.
Disclaimer: I currently own a SE, couple of Razors, AMG and Schmidt & Bender.EP5 or Strike Eagle? You gents decide. I buy tomorrow.
Just looking for a reason to buy a <$600 scope to replace a upgrade from a trash Diamondback Tactical FFP on my kids RPRR.
Like Gohring said... Why not try the EP5? If you don't like it, it's guaranteed to be a hot seller in the PX where you can get your money back out of it, because folks can get it from you, without a 2-4 week lead-time.
Especially for the money, but overall in the grand scheme of optics, I've been thoroughly impressed with my current 3 SH4 Gen2 6-24x50 VPR MIL scopes. So, I ordered the EP5 because several folks on here agreed their EP4 scopes (ED glass) had noticeably better glass than their SH4 scopes (Chinese HD glass). So I figured for $100 more, if it's that big of an upgrade, why the hell not give it a try? You're getting real Japanese ED glass, put into a scope design I'm familiar with, and I know to be solid and rugged, with amazing turrets and a solid zero-stop... For $549??? I'd be a fool not to.
Props to you for being clear that it's unlikely the glass in the EP5 will be on-par with $2-3000 scopes just because the lenses happen to also be made in Japan.
I understand the reason for marketing the scope as "Japanese Glass" but like so many things, it's easy for a less experienced consumer to mistake these things for apple to apples comparisons.
I agree.
I feel it’s unlikely they would put lesser glass in the EP5 than EP4. You never know but seems unlikely. This is what makes the EP5 exciting at this price IMO.
But imagine if it is great glass, and they landed in the ideal zone among budget options.
That's why it wasn't too big a gamble for me at $449 with that discount. It will still be an optic that tracks reliably with features for a good price.
That's why it wasn't too big a gamble for me at $449 with that discount. It will still be an optic that tracks reliably with features for a good price.
I hope the
I hope 5-25 is every bit as good as the ares etr, pst 2, strike eagle etc. Arken needs to get these things winning matches.
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I'm planning on running mine on my first centerfire match this month with mine. Just a steel match out to 1000, but that's where I want to test the glass. See what spotting is like.
I had to correct my post, I meant to type “I HOPE the 5-25 is as good.”
I haven’t seen one yet lol
Looking forward to your feedback.
Thanks! I try to be as honest as possible.
While the glass is extremely unlikely to be on-par with a NF (which, a lot of folks complain about NF NXS glass not being as good as other $2K scopes with ED glass), it very well could be close, for all we know? They possibly could have even sourced the same Japanese OEM for the glass? Not saying it is, just that it could be a possibility?
What I do know is, I have several friends who also used to sell and compare top-end optics daily (same as I used to 20 years ago), but they did so much more recently than me. And they also know what is and what isn’t quality, and that technological advancements in the optics world over the last 10 years or so, have driven quality up, and production costs down. Thus allowing higher-quality budget optics to be competitive with much higher-prices old tech scopes from 10, 20, 30 years ago.
So, I have let them all handle one of my SH4 Gen2 6-24x50 scopes (off the rifle) and examine it without me saying a word. They have all had the exact same responses… “Man, that’s heavy…feels solid.” “I really like the turrets.” “Really reminds me of a NF (NXS)…” They weren’t talking about the glass, but the simple hands-on overall feel of the scope, and what it closely reminded them of.
And if you compare the specs, weight, dimensions, design, turrets, etc… even the feel of the scope in-hand, and you were blindfolded, the Arken scopes are basically a budget-friendly Chinese knockoff of an NXS. So, knowing how impressive the SH4 Gen2 quality is for the money, the EP5’s ED glass could very well be way up there in quality, compared to the actual cost of the scope?
But I’m not going to say something definitively is or isn’t, until I have it in hand, and can go over it with a fine-tooth comb.
Thanks! I try to be as honest as possible.
While the glass is extremely unlikely to be on-par with a NF (which, a lot of folks complain about NF NXS glass not being as good as other $2K scopes with ED glass), it very well could be close, for all we know? They possibly could have even sourced the same Japanese OEM for the glass? Not saying it is, just that it could be a possibility?
What I do know is, I have several friends who also used to sell and compare top-end optics daily (same as I used to 20 years ago), but they did so much more recently than me. And they also know what is and what isn’t quality, and that technological advancements in the optics world over the last 10 years or so, have driven quality up, and production costs down. Thus allowing higher-quality budget optics to be competitive with much higher-prices old tech scopes from 10, 20, 30 years ago.
So, I have let them all handle one of my SH4 Gen2 6-24x50 scopes (off the rifle) and examine it without me saying a word. They have all had the exact same responses… “Man, that’s heavy…feels solid.” “I really like the turrets.” “Really reminds me of a NF (NXS)…” They weren’t talking about the glass, but the simple hands-on overall feel of the scope, and what it closely reminded them of.
And if you compare the specs, weight, dimensions, design, turrets, etc… even the feel of the scope in-hand, and you were blindfolded, the Arken scopes are basically a budget-friendly Chinese knockoff of an NXS. So, knowing how impressive the SH4 Gen2 quality is for the money, the EP5’s ED glass could very well be way up there in quality, compared to the actual cost of the scope?
But I’m not going to say something definitively is or isn’t, until I have it in hand, and can go over it with a fine-tooth comb.
While you’re not saying it directly, you seem to really be floating ideas around that by the time they get to 2 or 3 forum posts from this, likely will be stated as fact.
Similar is true about Chinese HD glass vs Japanese ED glass. Is it possible that Chinese HD glass with a higher requirement could perform better than Japanese ED glass with a lower spec/requirement?? It just sounds like marketing, tossing out the latest buzzwords for the masses to absorb.
While costs have decreased overall for optics manufacturing, I don’t think Arken is anywhere near large enough to get high savings from large orders or improved manufacturing techniques to use the components you are speculating about. I mean, if that was a possibility….why isn’t NF using NXS glass quality in the SHV a decimating the competition with quality and name recognition?
I guess I'm speculating that Arken's cost savings is in the rest of the scope being produced in China, and paying for the outsourced Japanese glass. I'm assuming a NF scope is entirely made in Japan, lending to it's reputation for quality but not being inexpensive.
But yes the million dollar question is what level/tier of glass is being put in the EP5? We'll find out.
I think a lot of you misunderstood the point I was making, as evidenced by quoting me and then somehow implying that you're excited the new Arken will be almost, nearly, just as good as, a Nightforce.
Most Nightforce scopes use a combination of US made components and Japanese lenses, and they are assembled in the US.
My guess is that the glass going into the EP5 is comparable to similarly priced offerings from Chinese OEMs. That is, in order to reach a price point and still be able to advertise the scope has having Japanese lenses, Arken cut corners in areas such as coatings, quality control and assurance, etc.
LOL....
My guess is that the glass going into the EP5 is comparable to similarly priced offerings from Chinese OEMs. That is, in order to reach a price point and still be able to advertise the scope has having Japanese lenses, Arken cut corners in areas such as coatings, quality control and assurance, etc.
LOL....
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Thanks! I try to be as honest as possible.
While the glass is extremely unlikely to be on-par with a NF (which, a lot of folks complain about NF NXS glass not being as good as other $2K scopes with ED glass), it very well could be close, for all we know? They possibly could have even sourced the same Japanese OEM for the glass? Not saying it is, just that it could be a possibility?
What I do know is, I have several friends who also used to sell and compare top-end optics daily (same as I used to 20 years ago), but they did so much more recently than me. And they also know what is and what isn’t quality, and that technological advancements in the optics world over the last 10 years or so, have driven quality up, and production costs down. Thus allowing higher-quality budget optics to be competitive with much higher-prices old tech scopes from 10, 20, 30 years ago.
So, I have let them all handle one of my SH4 Gen2 6-24x50 scopes (off the rifle) and examine it without me saying a word. They have all had the exact same responses… “Man, that’s heavy…feels solid.” “I really like the turrets.” “Really reminds me of a NF (NXS)…” They weren’t talking about the glass, but the simple hands-on overall feel of the scope, and what it closely reminded them of.
And if you compare the specs, weight, dimensions, design, turrets, etc… even the feel of the scope in-hand, and you were blindfolded, the Arken scopes are basically a budget-friendly Chinese knockoff of an NXS. So, knowing how impressive the SH4 Gen2 quality is for the money, the EP5’s ED glass could very well be way up there in quality, compared to the actual cost of the scope?
But I’m not going to say something definitively is or isn’t, until I have it in hand, and can go over it with a fine-tooth comb.
This entire post is basically an example of what I was complimenting you for not doing.
You are implying that the new, as of yet unseen Arken scope (that you've been promoting daily since the product launch) just might be close enough to a Nightforce NXS that it's essentially the same thing. For $500.
I disagree, mainly because the the reason Arken can offer Japanese glass at that price is because it’s made in China.
Pay a little more for the glass, put it on a short boat ride to China and have a much cheaper labor force build it to spec.
Having said that, Japanese glass and coatings are not created equal, look at the DMR2 compared to the XRS 2, etc.
Why wouldn’t you think a scope with less than
.1 % tracking error across several samples can’t win matches?
And.. who told you all Nightforce are made in America? Cause that is completely wrong.
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Also, I think threads get out of hand with the great "comparing of the brands". Let's leave comparisons for later before we all talk nonsense.
I'll compare it next to my NX8 when it gets here only because I'm curious, and I fucking want to.
I'll speak for myself: I'm excited to see what the EP5 has going for it.
I'll compare it next to my NX8 when it gets here only because I'm curious, and I fucking want to.
I'll speak for myself: I'm excited to see what the EP5 has going for it.
Hell no. Let’s just speculate and fight!!!
Where did I imply anything? I said it could, or could not, and I even said that I highly doubt it would be. How is that anything other than a “We’ll see”? The EP5 is currently Schrödinger’s Cat. I never implied it was anything.
Oh, and go on and say what you’re trying to say? You’re IMPLYING (there’s that word again) that I’m a shill. I’m not. I bought and paid for all of mine, at full price (other than the public discount codes).
I do not expect it to be earth shattering, and my initial guess is glass quality will be on par with an Swfa fixed 10. Relatively pessimistic personally. We will see when they ship it.
Tbh I have considered asking to cancel because every arken review is ridiculous
Tbh I have considered asking to cancel because every arken review is ridiculous
I’m not implying anything. People are stupid, and that is not my fault. I’m simply saying maybe, possibly, could…That’s called optimism. But I even started out by saying “I highly doubt…” And I even used the terms “budget”, “knockoff”, and “Chinese”… That is not implying that it is anything other than what it is.
So how many lenses are actually Japanese ED inside the EP5? Is it just one, or is it all of them? Is one Japanese ED glass element better than an all Chinese HD glass scope? What coatings do they use? Is that coating on all the lenses or just a few?
Point is, you guys are getting wrapped around the axles with buzzwords and marketing pitch. Next we'll start quoting light transmission percentage and throwing around words like Schott.
Point is, you guys are getting wrapped around the axles with buzzwords and marketing pitch. Next we'll start quoting light transmission percentage and throwing around words like Schott.
This is a good point. My Strike eagle has better glass than the DMR2.
The Arken sh4 smokes the swfa classic across the board.
I wouldn’t get to worked up over the expert that commented this.
Rule # 1 of fight club.
Get your facts straight before you pick a fight.
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Yeah you are saying that this scope is on par with NF NXS and try to also say you aren't, and you are not a shill ???? LOL In the other Arken thread 586 posts and I will bet 186 posts are yours, who post that many times about a scope ???? any scope. I also see you always make sure to post something to bump the thread as soon as it drops off page 1. You are there with Rex and Cyclops, LMFAOThanks! I try to be as honest as possible.
While the glass is extremely unlikely to be on-par with a NF (which, a lot of folks complain about NF NXS glass not being as good as other $2K scopes with ED glass), it very well could be close, for all we know? They possibly could have even sourced the same Japanese OEM for the glass? Not saying it is, just that it could be a possibility?
What I do know is, I have several friends who also used to sell and compare top-end optics daily (same as I used to 20 years ago), but they did so much more recently than me. And they also know what is and what isn’t quality, and that technological advancements in the optics world over the last 10 years or so, have driven quality up, and production costs down. Thus allowing higher-quality budget optics to be competitive with much higher-prices old tech scopes from 10, 20, 30 years ago.
So, I have let them all handle one of my SH4 Gen2 6-24x50 scopes (off the rifle) and examine it without me saying a word. They have all had the exact same responses… “Man, that’s heavy…feels solid.” “I really like the turrets.” “Really reminds me of a NF (NXS)…” They weren’t talking about the glass, but the simple hands-on overall feel of the scope, and what it closely reminded them of.
And if you compare the specs, weight, dimensions, design, turrets, etc… even the feel of the scope in-hand, and you were blindfolded, the Arken scopes are basically a budget-friendly Chinese knockoff of an NXS. So, knowing how impressive the SH4 Gen2 quality is for the money, the EP5’s ED glass could very well be way up there in quality, compared to the actual cost of the scope?
But I’m not going to say something definitively is or isn’t, until I have it in hand, and can go over it with a fine-tooth comb.
I never said it was on par... How stupid are you people?Yeah you are saying that this scope is on par with NF NXS and try to also say you aren't, and you are not a shill ???? LOL In the other Arken thread 586 posts and I will bet 186 posts are yours, who post that many times about a scope ???? any scope. I also see you always make sure to post something to bump the thread as soon as it drops off page 1. You are there with Rex and Cyclops, LMFAO
You spent that much time watching that thread? You really have no life, and that is beyond sad. Talk about obsessed...
I'm so glad I don't have a small dick and a complex about it that I feel the need to go into other people's threads of things I'm not remotely interested in, just to be a random asshole to people just to get some jollies. So many of you on this forum, at least you all have something in common to discuss now...How dissatisfied your wives are...
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Did you slide in here to bump the thread little Richard?Yeah you are saying that this scope is on par with NF NXS and try to also say you aren't, and you are not a shill ???? LOL In the other Arken thread 586 posts and I will bet 186 posts are yours, who post that many times about a scope ???? any scope. I also see you always make sure to post something to bump the thread as soon as it drops off page 1. You are there with Rex and Cyclops, LMFAO
I wouldn’t get to worked up over the expert that commented this.
Rule # 1 of fight club.
Get your facts straight before you pick a fight.
I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong. No need for you to be a dick about it. Hell, you quoted me twice just to be an ass, before I'd even responded to your first jab.
Turns out most NF scopes are made completely in Japan, with the ATACR assembled here in the states. I was mistaken.
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You picked the topic, then come in here like a damn philosopher on scopes. Where in the hell did you get that info on Nightforce?
Yes I’m a dick to dicks. I don’t count your post, I call out scope lickers when I see them. You clearly wanted to be a know it all with a superiority complex. And you failed miserably. That was all you bud.
Sure hope they ship somebody an Ep5 soon gonna be a long couple weeks at this rate..
I applaud you for correcting, but the first post was arrogant and just plain wrong. The difference is, I knew the facts so I wanted to give you a little of your superiority complex attitude back at ya.
If you pay attention, most of these guys including me, don’t start shit like you do, we only retaliate when you scope lickers rattle the cage. If you want to have a adult conversation then come in acting like one, if you come in like some douche bag that peaked in high school then you’ll get treated accordingly. I think most of my post here reflects that.
I’m not a bad guy, I like conversations, I can’t stand scope licking douche bags. I fuckin can’t stand that shit. The fuckin thing is a tool. Some of these guys got bills and kids to feed, they need a reliable scope they can afford. You dick heads think shaming guys is funny. Then puff you chest out hoping your girlfriend’s show up to help you shame people. I don’t know how many bully’s I’ve smacked in high school that thought they could pick on the little guy. Some of you guys buy your high end scopes with your child’s tax credits and then get all superior and shit. Probably used your Biden stimmy money too.
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lol all this over a budget scope punching above it's weight.
like the scope but no we have not found a lost gold vein in Arizona here.
like the scope but no we have not found a lost gold vein in Arizona here.
I don't generally "start shit", in fact, this may have been the first time I've done so on this forum. And I knew better than to come into a thread that is essentially an advertisement for the newest Arken scope and then go against the grain. But I did so anyways, and everyone threw a tantrum.
But I'm also not the one continuing to use insults when replying, as you seem compelled to do.
In fact, I just asked you to clarify something so I could answer your question, and your response was to call me a "douchebag scope licker who peaked in high school"
and to tell me that you already know the answer.lol..
Yeah I know, you scope lickers always back peddle and try to get your white horse to high ground. I’ve been in the forums a long time. If you would’ve just acted like a adult the first time, it most definitely would’ve been completely different. Now you’ve poisoned the mood, and revealed your demeanor. So I act accordingly.
I’m not sure why you won’t just leave me alone. Why would I go to pms to argue over a tool. It’s just a tool.
....might be a good time for the admins to lock or delete this thread, it's gone from a simple announcement of a new product hitting the market to a pissing contest over personal opinions and comparisons....the comparisons can't even be made seeing as how the new product isn't even in anyone's hands so far... 
....might be a good time for the admins to lock or delete this thread, it's gone from a simple announcement of a new product hitting the market to a pissing contest over personal opinions and comparisons....the comparisons can't even be made seeing as how the new product isn't even in anyone's hands so far...
Don’t be a sissy
Let’s be honest. This is a sexy looking scope. And that’s why people are buying it.
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