New Army sniper rifle just on Fox news

Re: New Army sniper rifle just on Fox news

I think they realy are on the right track I realy hate the AICS stcks the square forends suck to carry for any length of time and a round alloy tube with the rails positioned to allow full usage of vital equiptment like lasers and illumination equiptment and dont forget the cameras they want everyone to have attached to their rifle or headgear to cover your ass in case a bad dude says he was only trying to shoot that blowfly off your nose to help you out because he did not want it to hurt you and he realy is a good guy. the ability for the stock to fold and lock the bolt is an expertly engerneered way of locking the whole rifle down int a safe unit to cary folded because they are not designed to be fired with the stock closed. I wonder if backward contries like ours will allow them because if folded the rifle is unable to be operated but i am sure they wont give a shit. i dont like the idea of using a 338 Norma or lapua on the standard 700 action if you hardness thest the 338 Lapua police rifles they are a lot harder than the M40 308's so i would not be converting any old rifles to anything but a 300 Win MAg.
The biggest thing i can see coming next year will be a push from Hornady with a superformance load with their new 225gr OTM projectile because they have a 180gr Superformance load pushing 3117 fps in a factory Howa 300 Win Mag 24" barrel and the same rifle tested with Win Supreme 180gr ammo was only 2838fps so i think that Hornady look like they might be able to release a 300 Win MAg load in Superformance that will be close to cracking 3000fps in a 22-24" barrel and that realy breaks new performance ground for factory ammo if it shoots i can see the US military using it aswell as the 220gr OTm Sierra Projectile and this 225gr will work and feed through a factory mag and stabalise in a 10 twist barrel. it realy is bringing the 300 Win MAg into the 300 Ultramag arena and that should make the old 300 Win mag a great round to use for shooting to a mile inthis new platform,

I also wish they had looked at a premier 5-25 Mill/Mill it would likley be cheeper than the Leupold and go's lower to 5 power and ramps up to 25 power aswell but there seems to be someone in the purchasing system that loves Leupold i cant see why they dont look elsewhere for the scopes unless Premier cant make the quantities the other thing is they could also use USO's with the premiers and mabe even S&B's make every company use the same reticle and i would look at something like the Gen2XR and update the reticles from Mill Dots/ the FFP scopes are well past due but they are still sticking with Mill Dot reticles and MOA turrets with other scopes like the NXS scopes for the AR10 type rifles they need to make a complete change to bring the reticles and turrets into a compatable system and also change all scopes to FFP if possible this is where the 2.5-10 NXS falls down in comparison but it is not hard to wind to 10 power to range and fire the longer shots.

I would love to fire a complete system in 300 win mag after the rebuild but realy they will only have the action bodies and triggers left after the rebuild it would almost be cheeper to sell the old rifles off to recover some money and start from scratch as you would get more for an Ex army sniper rifle that has seen active service even the soldiers carryine them would likley buy them for a good price and then put that money to a complete new action body and trigger.

The parts that are getting changed are , stock, scope and mounting stystem, new bolt, new magbox, new barrel some actions will also likley be condemed so they will need another action body but i would think they will cut the old action body up and stamp another action with the same seriel number. the firing pin springs would need renewing mabe the new firing pins with the lightning cuts i am sure remington will replace the triggers with X Mark Pro's to upgrade to a percieved safer model so only the action body mabe the recoil lug and mabe trigger is all they will retain so i would just build a new rifle and sell the old rifles to serving members as keep sakes?

What do people think about reconditioning the rifles over supplying a complete new rifle system? Also any that has cans would still not be a benifite as the cans would not likley be rated for 300 win mag so they are useless and also they want to have them all with QD mounts this time.

great concept but the way they are doing it is wrong.

The last thing is if they replaced the rifles completly then a new rifle would be able to be delivered to the unit then after that was run in the snipers trained with the new system and only after that the old rifle could be decomissioned and then there would never be a time where the rifles are out of action waiting on the upgrade. i just think it is abad way to do the upgrade.
 
Re: New Army sniper rifle just on Fox news

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wild_Bill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The biggest thing i can see coming next year will be a push from Hornady with a superformance load with their new 225gr OTM</div></div>

Bill,

You raise an interesting possibility. We've been hashing and rehashing the benefits of the 225 in a couple threads in 1000 yds. +. Using currently available powders and loading techniques, it would appear that the 225 does not give us (private citizens) any advantage over the 208 AMax. It would have to be run pretty hard to match or exceed the ballistics. But the .mil is NOT concerned about brass life (Mk248 Mod1 was recently chrono'd by Frank and crew at 2950-2975 fps out of Mk13's @ RO). So if Hornady can come up with a proprietary powder that launches 225's at or above those speeds AND meets the military's stringent performance criteria (read the Mk248 Mod1 spec some time) it could indeed encroach even more into .338LM territory. Interesting observation.

John
 
Re: New Army sniper rifle just on Fox news

This past October, the Army ordered kits to convert 3600 .308 Win M24s to .300 WinMag (to be known as the M24E1). It's my understanding the Marines built the M40 using a short action, which can't be converted to WinMag.
 
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Yea thats been being talked about for years now.

Its a 700 in that folding stock re barreled into a 300WSM.
 
Re: New Army sniper rifle just on Fox news

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: banshee sws</div><div class="ubbcode-body">its like other 'offerings' , it can be had as a chassis only, retro fitting current weapon systems , ie., the M24 in operation now, to the chassis or it can had a as a entirely new system, known as the MSR, http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/

the SOCOM contract for the PSR stipulates user field expedient changes; the MSR system does that </div></div>

The MSR is not a 700 receiver. Look at it.

http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/remington_modular_sniper_rifle_msr_2.jpg

Linked because it's not my image to post


It might be able to use the same stock, but it's not the same receiver, clearly