New guy & M24 question

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Hello everyone!
I saw a guy wearing a Sniper's Hide T-shirt at the range this weekend and decided to check it out. Great forum...lots of knowledge.
My question is about the M24. Probably like many here, every few months I get obsessed with a new rifle and right now it's the M24. I've been doing some research and it seems like the general consensus is that I should get a GAP clone.

But...i'm gonna put this question out there for you guys. Lets say the M24 is your type of rifle and say the Remington and GAP M24's were both priced exactly the same. Which rifle would you buy then? Would you still say "get the GAP" and why?

Oh, and i'm only looking for the rifle so no SWS or any other add-ons.

Thanks
Rob
 
#3
Re: New guy & M24 question

Get the GAP! Let me say this, I have never shot a GAP. But I have shot the 24 a lot. While it is a good rifle, There are better. The M24 is coming out of Remington as fast as possible. Not as tight tolerances and stuff can sometimes get overlooked. Remington has a military/law enforcement obligation and they are trying to meet it. Gap is building for you and stakng there reputation on what you think of your weapon. I have read quite a bit about GAP and they have a quality reputation and tight tolerances. I would go with GAP
 
#7
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I'll approach this question from a different angle. The US Army chose the SWS-M24 as their sniper weapon system back in the late 80’s/90’s time frame if my memory serves me correct. Don’t beat this up if the dates are wrong as it not the point. The reason the US Army chose the M24 over the Remington M40A1-5 like the Marine Corp as it was based on Remington’s long action and could be converted to .300 win mag. The M40 is based on Rem short action.

Unless your purchasing the M-24 in a long action caliber I don’t see the point especially if it’s for a .308. I’d much rather have a stiffer shorter action as well as shorter bolt throw over a longer bolt throw.

Remington’s custom shop puts out some great products. If the pricing is the roughly the same between Rem custom shop and GAP, I’d go with GAP. Heck if the price point is $500 more for a GAP, I’d go with the GAP. George at GAP is going to build you a rifle from ground up using and offering an almost endless list of the best components possible that will make your rifle shoot lights out as well as built the way you wanted it. Not saying Rem custom shop isn’t capable of the same quality but they’re going to limit you in options and features, such as triggers, barrels, stocks and list could go on and on.

Then the biggie, resale value. A Remington custom shop rifle will not hold near the resale value of a GAP rifle. Having GAP laser engraved on the barrel puts your resale value in a totally different category.

Hope it helps.
 
#8
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I had George build me an M24 back in '05, we went with all mil specs EXCEPT the barrel, after discussion we went with the Mike Rock produced barrel and extremely glad I did, Rock barrels are the shizzle. As mentioned above George can do whatever you want him to do to it meaning as close to mil-spec as possible or pick your own barrel, trigger, mag feed bottom metal etc etc. In my opinion any barrel George would install on it is gonna be better shootin than the factory produced Remington, don't get me wrong the Remy is a shooter, I've competed with Army issued ones for a couple years at 1,000 yards. My personal GAP one though shoots circles around the mass issue guns. Side by side they are IDENTICAL, hell mine even has U.S. stamped on the receiver. End of the day my suggestion is go with mil-spec GAP gun, then you could one day (like the Army's reasoning) rechamber it in 300 WinMag with the long action.

As a side note, CMP online still has some of the Redfield Palma sight sets that are correct for this gun. I got a set back with the gun and actually shoot mine from time to time with the irons, for training and experience.....and fun.
 
#9
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At this point, having an M24 built should have more to do with nostalgia than building a state-of-the art tactical rifle. As mentioned, it's an older design, not to discount its function however. So either you want an M24 to have an M24 or you should have a custom rifle built to your specs using the latest and greatest, in my opinion.
 
#11
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Do you want a shooter or do you want an M24? If the latter, order it up from Remington and you'll have what you want.
If you want a shooter, plan something with any one of the builders on here.
Chad
 
#12
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Just to say it again- 1988 design or a modern weapon that is similar, but is more accurate and better features? I would go with the updated new one.
 
#13
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I can understand the gents sentiment. Im still partial to the M24 too. If your only two options are GAP and remington, its GAP HANDS DOWN!

But just so you know, william Roscoe of LA Precision has made M24 clones before too and they are atleast on par with GAP. gorgeous, accurate builds, and tack driving shooters too. Talk to william. Thats my recommendation.

Paulus
 
#14
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Having shot and been issued the M24 in days of old and being a current owner of a GAP M24 clone, I will tell you to please go with the GAP if you're wanting a shooter. Their work is exceptional, has been worked over to have tighter tolerances but still feel silk smooth in cycling, they did a better trigger job, and unless you spec it out differently it is identical from a cosmetic standpoint. If you were getting an actual M24 for collectible value, it'd likely only be worthwhile if you chase down EVERYTHING from the full kit. Roscoe's clones have a fantastic reputation, too, and I would encourage you to talk with him. Talking with the shops will likely end any question in your mind. Either builder/builders are well known for not letting anything but their best work leave their shop...I'm not saying that the Remi guys aren't good, but there's a level of attention to detail that just isn't possible in larger production. Good shooting! -A
 
#15
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If you want a fantatic beautiful Custom rifle/shooter go with the GAP, if you want a real M24 that is a shooter and will probably be a wonderful collector's piece one day with military officianados go with the Remington, it depends on what you want. I have handled both, ordered a GAP for my personal tastes, and love them both for their individual reasons.
 
#16
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Thanks for everyone's input. Looks like a custom rifle is the hands down winner. Works out good for me since I don't need a "real" M24, and this way i'll save some money and have a rifle that's a real shooter.
 
#17
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 11B3B4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just to say it again- 1988 design or a modern weapon that is similar, but is more accurate and better features? I would go with the updated new one.
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I don't really agree that the 24 system is any more "outdated" than any other bolt gun out there now, what makes a current bolt gun any more modern? I will give you a custom will def out shoot a mass produced Army gun but I actually think the 24 has more "features" than most nowadays with the ability to mount a flash hider and iron sights and all, that and badger makes a DROP IN mag fed bottom metal for it now also. Not arguing just asking
 
#18
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jayjayPunisher, I see what you are saying and I guess I could have worded that better. My sole intent was to say that a more "modern" weapon is probably gonna be put together more precise and make use of some features that were not available when the 24 was designed and contracted. I myself have used the M24 and it is still a good gun. But some of newer designs are more precise and have some good features that the 24 does not. Not trying to bash the M24. Have a good one.

B4
 
#20
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JayJayPunisher, I went Jan 08. Im sure it has. Probably a lot more emphasis urban operations and less on the "conventional" ghillie suite styled operations. Ive heard its changed even since I was there. Working that third weapon (110 SASS)into the course of instruction probably makes things a little tighter.
 
#21
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I bet, I hated that damned suit, all we ever did was crawl around in that heavy ass thing(Benning summer hence daily rain).

Anywho, still love my GAP 24, that thing still drives tacks after 5 years. I've accumulated the entire system since then and have it all cut out in a pelican, quite proud of it. I had to have the flash hider produced by a machinist uncle using a borrowed issue one and had GA cote it to match the finish on the gun, never use it though....but hey I got it
 
#22
Re: New guy & M24 question

Yea, if you don't "need" an M24 for sentimental or collectability reasons then definitely get a GAP or some other Custom Rifle for the simple reason that they will build it to fit you.

FWIW, if I'm not mistaken the M24 is a "Custom-Shop" Rifle and as such is held to a considerably higher standard at Remington. Both in "fit and finish" and accuracy. I mainly shoot a 40X, also a Remington Custom Shop Rifle, and I have to say I haven't fired a finer rifle yet (Well, Maybe Doc1911's AI). My point is, Remington is capable of making a Lazer of a rifle. I would think most M24's should hold .5 MOA... If you do your part.
 
#24
Re: New guy & M24 question

Where can you buy a Remington M24? Can a civilian even buy this rifle? I know snipercountrypx lists it on their site but you can't seem to find it anywhere else.
 
#25
Re: New guy & M24 question

Any of the dealers that have access to the "LE" stuff can order it for you. Same with things like the PSS (whatever it is now) some say they can't get it, others no problem.
 
#26
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ok finally, so here's pics of my GAP M24

M24.jpg


here's the milspec flash device I had reproduced

M24-flash.jpg


rear sight irons base

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