Looks sturdy and is cheaper than MK Machine mount and easier to set up as well.
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yes i know of of it, but its chassis specific. this is universal.
yes i know of of it, but its chassis specific. this is universal.
didnt know it was arca mounted. i thought it fit on the front of the chassis.It is not chassis specific. ARCA rails are made for just about every stock/chassis. Sawtooth rifles, Area 419, etc all make them for different chassis and stocks
We sell a Sporter compatible Version and a V3 compatible version. The differences between the Sporter and the V3 is the display mount given that the sizes and shapes of the displays between the Sporter and V3 are drastically different. There is also a different bracket that the bayonets attach too. Aside from those two pieces, the Sporter and the V3 versions are the same. You can also purchase those compatible parts separately if down the road you want be compatible with both the Sporter and the V3.Does it work with the Sporter model or just with the V3?
Can you post a picture of the mount and the Sporter? That will help. Thanks!We sell a Sporter compatible Version and a V3 compatible version. The differences between the Sporter and the V3 is the display mount given that the sizes and shapes of the displays between the Sporter and V3 are drastically different. There is also a different bracket that the bayonets attach too. Aside from those two pieces, the Sporter and the V3 versions are the same. You can also purchase those compatible parts separately if down the road you want be compatible with both the Sporter and the V3.
Great question! To address this, we've designed the the slide mechanism to rotate about an axis that is concentric with the carbon tube. By rotating the assembly (and bayonet) around the carbon tube, you can adjust it's alignment for different picatinny offsets, e.g., picatinny side rails.I see it's easy to adjust the bayonet up and down, and of course for barrel length, but I'm not seeing how you might adjust it side-to-side, which would be useful for rails on the side of a handguard, or those that are not perfectly in line with the bore.
All that I have at the moment is a single picture of the Sporter Prototype, See attached. The website will have more detailed photos early next week (www.wiserprecision.com).Can you post a picture of the mount and the Sporter? That will help. Thanks!
The mount's primary purpose is not to protect the MagnetoSpeed from heat. It is designed to remove the Bayonet from the barrel of a firearm so that it does not experience a Point Of Impact (POI) shift. However, while shooting with a suppressor I have had good success running a cover on my can. This allowed me to get extended strings of fire without suffering from heat mirage in the scope.Help me understand the relevance of this? Did your strap break? Are you trying to find the MV of a fully automatic M4 with a 100 round drum that would melt the strap?
Understood. I only utilize for velocity reference. Thanks for clarifying.By mounting the magneto speed to the barrel you can change harmonics of the barrel thus changing either the group sizes, point of impact shifts or something else i cant of.
This turns into the magnetospeed into a poor mans Labradar.
By mounting the magneto speed to the barrel you can change harmonics of the barrel thus changing either the group sizes, point of impact shifts or something else i cant of.
This turns into the magnetospeed into a poor mans Labradar.
You have a point... My understanding is Frank's Labradar has gone out of commision on multiple occasions before. For those interested, Frank will be reviewing the Chrono Mount once he has time to do so. So, for those interested, stay tuned for his thoughts on the Chrono Mount.Except this works.
I keep mine attached even over my suppressor without issues. I shot a string of 50 just to do an extended session to see what my SD’s and ES’s did. No issues.
Tagged waiting for release. BTW, I cannot care less about the readout, in case that is an issue with your design.All that I have at the moment is a single picture of the Sporter Prototype, See attached. The website will have more detailed photos early next week (www.wiserprecision.com).
True, but I have picatinny rails on all of my rifles and have no desire to change everything over to Arca at this point, nor do I have a spigot mount. This looks like a cleaner solution for my use. Your needs are obviously different.It is not chassis specific. ARCA rails are made for just about every stock/chassis. Sawtooth rifles, Area 419, etc all make them for different chassis and stocks
By mounting the magneto speed to the barrel you can change harmonics of the barrel thus changing either the group sizes, point of impact shifts or something else i cant of.
This turns into the magnetospeed into a poor mans Labradar.
What are you saying here? That you can compare a 3/4” wide MS bayonet to a wall? No way in hell the bayonet itself changes the bullets path unless it’s strapped to the barrel and only then on thinner contour barrels. The change in path has nothing to do with pressure change of the shockwave, it’s the harmonics of the barrel.barrel harmonics are only a small part of the induced error of the bayonet attachment.
the aerodynamic friction and interference between hypersonic object (bullet) and raised ground plane (bayonet) pitches the bullet and will effect its POI. distance above the fixed surface, caliber, velocity, and the pitching angle of the projectiles path relative to the ground plane are all variables that effect the striking point of the projectile..
basic aerodynamics...
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from the research paper..
The projectile was discovered to experience a marked pitching moment, initially nose-downwards at the high end of type C reflection interactions, then more strongly nose-up with contin- ued decreasing ground clearance, as the pressure distribution over the rear of the projectile was increasingly distorted by the build up of high pressure behind the series of shock/ground interactions.
there is your definitive answer.... no more speculation required...
Wow. That got personal real quick. I was just merely disagreeing the bayonet itself had any effect. But since you fly jets I guess you know it all when it comes to that stuff. I mean what do I know (??)@TacticalDillhole ... living up to your handle.. eh.. you must be one of those world is flat kinda guys where science and math were not strong points..
yes.. the surface will deflect the projectile ... the width is more than enough given the hight prescribed by magentospeed to be less than .3 and optimal .25" over the bayonet..
jets are in noticeable ground effect at half the wingspan.. that is noticeable.. measurable is higher than that...
this is also the reason you don't fly 2 jets extremely close as the air rushing between them create a very strong vacuum and pull them together...
been flying supersonic jets for 20 years and have more than a couple hours of advanced hypersonic aerodynamics and fluid dynamics under by belt..
but thanks .... so I guess welcome to hell..
oh.. and this is also measurable in brakes and suppressor exit apertures hence the .020 min clearance recommended on brakes for accuracy and the need for absolute centricity.. the bullet will deflect even if it doesn't strike the exit baffle if its not equally bounded ....
there .. learn something new every day
I do have one. My groups don’t change because I don’t mount it to the barrel. It’s mounted on an adapter to my Handguard.@TacticalDillhole
also.. if you even have one.. try mounting it a 6 o'clock.. groups move up.. on every rifle and caliber I have and the bigger faster the bullet the more the deflection.. especially if there is any angle on the bayonet.. now move it to 12 o'clock .. the groups go down... move the bayonet to 3 o'clock.. bullets strike left.. always away from the bayonet surface.. harmonics play a part.. but the largest shift is from aerodynamic interaction with the friction surface...
Roger that.@TacticalDillhole
the width of the plate/wall/ground makes no difference.. the shockwave is 360 and its the wave directly beneath the bullet.. in theory the bullet shot over a sewing needle laying longways would even have an effect
I get a .8 to .9 MIL (3+ inches at 100) shift in my group away from my sporter bayonet on my heavy barrel 308. 1.25 straight taper to .925 a little less on my 6.5-284 norma, and about a 1moa shift in my ARs...
and its always away from the face of the bayonet, and since its a sport, and I can't dial out a slight tilt in on the tapered barrels.. the effect is magnified..
this is fact... this paper Transonic and supersonic ground effect aerodynamics was specifically done on bullets ... since jets and rocket sleds were too dangerous.. but facts are facts and the research is solid.
oberseration from someone over on ar15.com --- no me
https://www.ar15.com/forums/precision-rifles/Labradar-magnetospeed/10-6248/&page=2
Today I tried the Magnetospeed at 3:00, 6:00, 9:00, 12:00 and the point of impact shift was clearly related to the rotation of the bayonet.
This suggests that the point of impact change is not from harmonics but from the bullet flying close to the surface of the sensor.
From 3:00 to 9:00 there was a shift of 1.18 moa horizontal(away from the bayonet)
From 6:00 to 12:00 there was a shift of 0.14 moa horizontal
From 3:00 to 9:00 there was a shift of 0.25 moa vertical
From 6:00 to 12:00 there was a shift of 1.24 moa vertical(away from the bayonet)
From center of POA(actual zero poi)without bayonet
3:00- left 0.45moa.... up 0.33moa shift
9:00-right 0.73moa.... up 0.57moa shift
6:00- rt 0.22moa.... up 1.23moa shift
12:00 rt 0.37moa..down 0.01moa shift
Looks like potential patent infringement to me
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So, I looked over all the vids and info I could find on the Wiser product. It looks like a genuine improvement in mounting, and I hope to try one out at some point.
My questions/concerns with it: How does the slider piece lock down? It looks like it just needs to be pushed around to get the height and angle you want. If so, wouldn't recoil possibly shift it too? One big advantage of the MS chrony is that it can go in your range bag/pack very easily, and is then always available. Adding a 30" bar seems to negate this benefit. I do like the idea of keeping it all mounted up for home use and convenience though. Finally, the two big issues that I saw. Why is it not compatible with angled stocks? Obviously you'd have to have enough room to slide the bar back, so that the bayonet wasn't at an upward angle in front of the muzzle. Is this not possible? And...why is it not compatible with cans? The FAQ's say not to put the bayonet in front of a can. How else are you supposed to get the velocity? I do this all the time with my standard MS and a can.
What am I missing here?