New Mossberg .223 Bolt Action - AR Mags

[Mattrmvpd]

Hey guys... I know some had mentioned seeing or hearing about one of the Mossberg Bolt Action .223 that has the AR Mags and the flash hider.

I got to put hands on one yesterday. It also had the iron backup sights installed and came with the UTG scope....rings...

Well.. the scope and rings were complete junk... and you CAN order it without those options.

The rifle actually is pretty balanced and has a VERY thick barrel. Appears to be a clone of a A2 flash hider and the stock is a black plastic type BUT it is COMPLETELY free floated. The triger reminds me of the Savage system and is not actually that bad.

We are talking about a SUB $600 rifle and to me the cool part is that it will take our AR15 mags...

I have NO idea on the accuracy. This was ALl just a bunch of finger touching and working the bolt to see how it was.

For some that are looking for a budget minded .223.... it may help fill the void.

Matt (LEO SOUTH GA.)

 

[Pointman308]

Can anyone testify to the accuracy of these rifles yet? I want to buy one for my 14 year old boy to get him started in center-fire.

 

[BigCheese1]

My buddy has one. Mossberg .223 and he loves it because it takes his 30 round AR mags. He threw a BDC scope on there and swears by it. It is a sweet gun and I think his bolt came fluted if I remember correctly.

 

[Mattrmvpd]

I DO remember the bolt being fluted.

I have not shot one but the finish of the rifle and presentation looks good.

Theres a rumor that they are going to do it in .308 as well.

I will see if someocal buddies have shot one yet.

 

[coldboremiracle]

My buddy has one. Mossberg .223 and he loves it because it takes his 30 round AR mags.

Yes, because thats the most important thing with a bolt gun, to have 29 back up shots for the first one. Maybe a hint about its accuracy potential? What exactly is the thinking behind using AR mags? What is the appeal I guess, I'm not seeing it.

 

[Papagallos]

I have one and it is easy a 1/2 MOA rifle with Sierra Match 69 Grain factory ammo. It's not the best handling rifle though. The bolt is sloppy and binds easily. The rear action screw needs to be trimmed cause it's too long. But the rifle can definitely shoot!!!!!

 

[BillyGoatMachine]

Yes, because thats the most important thing with a bolt gun, to have 29 back up shots for the first one. Maybe a hint about its accuracy potential? What exactly is the thinking behind using AR mags? What is the appeal I guess, I'm not seeing it.

A detachable magazine system that uses $10 mags for starters. I'd love to find one as I have piles of 10 round AR mags that are a whole lot cheaper than $80 AI mags. One type mag for multiple rifles seems like another plus. As far as using 30's, you better have a tall ass bipod!

 

[coldboremiracle]

I suppose there is that...

 

[Mattrmvpd]

It also fills the niche with having a set of backup iron sights on it. Sometimes... shooting... hunting...whatever.. your optics go down.. It is nice to see some factories producing rifles with this in mind. It is a neat feature and can become very useful.

 

[coldboremiracle]

It also fills the niche with having a set of backup iron sights on it. Sometimes... shooting... hunting...whatever.. your optics go down.. It is nice to see some factories producing rifles with this in mind. It is a neat feature and can become very useful.

I guess so........

If thats the case, too bad its Mossberg. I dont really see any high end rifles having irons on them, probably a reason for that...... Sounds like a solution looking for a problem.

 

[coldboremiracle]

I guess Ruger did the same thing with their scout rifle, it seems to be somewhat popular. There must be some that want these kind of rifles if they're building them.

 

[Asperly Aimless]

I think 20 rd magazines would be the bee's knees with this rifle. Easier reloads and the ability to put more rounds into a dog town before reloading. It is an interesting concept indeed. I'd like one in 300 blk just for fun. It's not expensive so you wouldn't be out a great amount of money, and it would be a sweet truck gun.

I get the idea of iron sights. For the tacticool range only, long range rifles iron sights really aren't needed. For a hunting rifle I like to have iron sights even though I will mount a scope. Gives me that warm fuzzy.

 

[coldboremiracle]

Easier reloads and the ability to put more rounds into a dog town before reloading.

My main question about this rifle is can I put 20 rnds into a dog town, and have 20 dead dogs? For those interested in the concept, have you looked into the Savage Axis with a Ratmag. May be a good/better option worth looking at as well.

 

[BigCheese1]

I think the AR junkies wouldn't mind a bolt action rifle that has a compatable mag system. Its also the bees knees because it looks cool. That's all the reasoning you need to get one.

 

[BigCheese1]

Wow. I just read the above comments and someone already used "bees knees" . Forget I just said that. I had no clue anyone else said that....
Anyways...

 

[Asperly Aimless]

Only you can answer that question. Can you put 20 rds into a dog town, and have 20 dead dogs? Were you hinting at the accuracy of the rifle being capable/incapable of doing it?

I also like the fact that the mags aren't $70.00 apiece.

I will look up the ratmagas this is the 1st I have heard of it.

 

[coldboremiracle]

Only you can answer that question. Can you put 20 rds into a dog town, and have 20 dead dogs? Were you hinting at the accuracy of the rifle being capable/incapable of doing it?

Yes, I haven't had a problem in the past putting a whole town on notice, what I meant and thought I had articulated is this; How accurate is the rifle? if I wanted a high capacity bullet hose, I'd buy a mini14. A rifle with poor accuracy and a high cap mag is still a rifle with poor accuracy. Bees knees or not.

 

[Asperly Aimless]

That makes sense. I just wanted to make sure I didn't misunderstand your post, which I kind of did. I can't agree with you more.

 

[colscar]

for the price... why wont you just get an AR.... im sure with some tweeking the accuracy could if not be better

 

[Mattrmvpd]

Because in the end ALL of us are junkies looking for that next fix. Doesnt matter if its custom or what nkt. It is kinda neat and exciting that mossberg is even willing to explore the concept.

Besides....all of us have one or more rifles in the safe that really dont do much but we just had to mess with it.

Matt

 

[Kamkaze]

Yes, I haven't had a problem in the past putting a whole town on notice, what I meant and thought I had articulated is this; How accurate is the rifle? if I wanted a high capacity bullet hose, I'd buy a mini14. A rifle with poor accuracy and a high cap mag is still a rifle with poor accuracy. Bees knees or not.

posted above

I have one and it is easy a 1/2 MOA rifle with Sierra Match 69 Grain factory ammo. It's not the best handling rifle though. The bolt is sloppy and binds easily. The rear action screw needs to be trimmed cause it's too long. But the rifle can definitely shoot!!!!!

 

[coldboremiracle]

I have one and it is easy a 1/2 MOA rifle with Sierra Match 69 Grain factory ammo. It's not the best handling rifle though. The bolt is sloppy and binds easily. The rear action screw needs to be trimmed cause it's too long. But the rifle can definitely shoot!!!!!

Sounds like a less than raving review, but for the price points of these rifles and other like it I guess you get what you pay for.

 

[vtb]

Yes, because thats the most important thing with a bolt gun, to have 29 back up shots for the first one. Maybe a hint about its accuracy potential? What exactly is the thinking behind using AR mags? What is the appeal I guess, I'm not seeing it.

i do have 49 back up shots in .308 for my remmy 700 XCR...

You'll never know

 

[coldboremiracle]

You'll never know

Or dare to dream....

 

[GlockBlock]

Coldbore you just really hate this gun's concept dont you? Or maybe hate Mossberg?

First you made multiple posts hinting accuracy was sub-par with no real reason to doubt it, but you did. Looking for a first hand experience with accuracy from a user you got one. Then you changed your tune to harp on the build quality. It's a Mossberg man. It is what it is and it definitely ain't what it ain't.

I think it's a cool concept because mags are dirt cheap and so is the ammo(comparatively speaking). Mossberg tends to build firearms people want to buy, they listen to the market place.

 

[gyz77]

Is that a 50rd mag for a 308 bolt?

 

[scatterbrains]

I have the 204 ruger version 24" barrel and pistol grip varmint stock. my best average groups to date were about 1" at 200yds. I shoot midsoutj VN 34GR HP at @ 3900fps if I recall correctly.

it is my go to groundhog gun as of late I've shot 23 all drt one shot. its a laser to 250yds. I put a triad stock pack on it which made it perfect.

I run lancer mags exclusively and have never had a problem in 800rnd. all load development and hunting.

here's a " review" I did when I first got it since I never heard of one in 204 before
http://www.varminthunters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42198

 

[coldboremiracle]

Coldbore you just really hate this gun's concept dont you? Or maybe hate Mossberg?

First you made multiple posts hinting accuracy was sub-par with no real reason to doubt it, but you did. Looking for a first hand experience with accuracy from a user you got one. Then you changed your tune to harp on the build quality. It's a Mossberg man. It is what it is and it definitely ain't what it ain't.

I think it's a cool concept because mags are dirt cheap and so is the ammo(comparatively speaking). Mossberg tends to build firearms people want to buy, they listen to the market place.

I dont hate anything, if it shoots bullets I wouldn't mind having one or two, I even own an SKS, only because I paid 100$ for it new with couple boxes of ammo and some mags.. But I would never pay money for much of the garbage being sold these days. I'll be honest, I dont really care for Mossbergs, because, as you stated; its a Mossberg. Also to be honest I missed Papa's post about accuracy, and since it was the only post with any reference to accuracy I had my doubts, and as I mentioned earlier, his post isn't exactly a great endorsement. But if someone wants to spend their money on something like this thats fine, I wont. Now if someone was to give me one, or sell it dirt cheap, that'd be a different story. I got a crate full of AR mags I could use.....

 

[vtb]

Is that a 50rd mag for a 308 bolt?

Yes. AICS compatible 50-round drum.

 

[KCshooter89]

Yes. AICS compatible 50-round drum.

How much do those run?

 

[MikeeBooshay]

I'm in the build process ( aka "collecting parts for ) a 300 blackout bolt gun, mainly to shoot suppressed subs, for culling. Was thinking of putting the CDI bottom metal on it, but the recent scarcity of AI 223 mags had me temporarily not putting this on top of the build pile.

Now thinking, maybe gin up some bottom metal, and use up the pile of AR mags around here. Presently the rifle is still a 223, with a BDL type mag, drop floor plate type outfit. Got plenty of Al bar stock and a long cold winter after January.... think I like the idea!

 

[BillyGoatMachine]

Detachable AR mag bottom metal

 

[Asperly Aimless]

^^Now that is cool!

 

[vtb]

How much do those run?

XS drum for AR-10 + $300 machinist cost

 

[FALex]

Coldbore you just really hate this gun's concept dont you? Or maybe hate Mossberg?

First you made multiple posts hinting accuracy was sub-par with no real reason to doubt it, but you did. Looking for a first hand experience with accuracy from a user you got one. Then you changed your tune to harp on the build quality. It's a Mossberg man. It is what it is and it definitely ain't what it ain't.

I think it's a cool concept because mags are dirt cheap and so is the ammo(comparatively speaking). Mossberg tends to build firearms people want to buy, they listen to the market place.

Yeah, like the chainsaw handled shotgun, or better yet, a lever gun with tac rails and adjustable buttstock.