LRR ret from SB not yet in state side..comparing the two,i like the center dot on both but im liking the msr2 and looks like it suit my purpose better...but 700.00? Hmmm
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Yes they do, seems to average around $100 - $200 per scope, Horus does the same thing; however, I do not remember Kahles charging additional for the MSRK reticle, so maybe some manufacturers just absorb the cost?
Schmidt has taken their sweet time with the LRR-Mil and still no indication when it will be available. Regarding reticle swaps, at what point does it make more sense to simply sell your scope with the current reticle and buy a new scope with the new reticle? Anything north of $500 seems like it's getting close to the used price of the scope itself.LRR ret from SB not yet in state side..comparing the two,i like the center dot on both but im liking the msr2 and looks like it suit my purpose better...but 700.00? Hmmm
I have one my self i would be interested if they have a reticle swap servicesdoes steiner have swap reticle services ?
does steiner have swap reticle services ?
Sorry for late reply, but I just noticed this:
No, Steiner does not offer reticle swaps. There has been discussion about the topic, especially since more scopes are being built in Colorado (although the M series is still German built). I believe the main questions are around cost, quality control, and available licensed reticle options. It's very likely that only the highest end scopes appeal to customers who are willing to bear the cost -- and that means a pretty small audience.
I work in marketing for both Steiner and Burris brands.
Any chance a Burris scope will get the MSR2 reticle?Sorry for late reply, but I just noticed this:
No, Steiner does not offer reticle swaps. There has been discussion about the topic, especially since more scopes are being built in Colorado (although the M series is still German built). I believe the main questions are around cost, quality control, and available licensed reticle options. It's very likely that only the highest end scopes appeal to customers who are willing to bear the cost -- and that means a pretty small audience.
I work in marketing for both Steiner and Burris brands.
I have had limited time behind the S&B 5-25 next to my M5xi but was able to do an in depth comparison with my S&B 3-20.
Glass was very comparable. I think the resolution was actually better on the M5xi while the S&B had better contrast and CA. I could have the resolution and contrast backwards but the S&B definitely had less CA.
Hey JL, what are the difference(s) with the 3-27 High power versus the original MSR 2 subtensions? I'm assuming all other brands/models are approximately the same subtensions as your provided picture/PDF. Glad to hear it's available, I've got EuroOptic waiting for Schmidt to give them the part # for the ordering process for the MSR2 reticle. Wanting two 3-20 US's and a 3-27 High Power
Thanks
I have seen the MSR-2 in the Steiner scopes, which will be released to the market in the Summer. I like it alot. I am confused, however: On the Finnaccuracy Website, they have an MSR "gen 4" and it is not the MSR2. And then Kahles has the MSRK. I assume the latter is their own design.
Shortly said, no.Could I have this reticle in a 4-16X50 Schmidt PM11?
At the moment and publicly announced by manufacturers -
MSR2 already is or will be soon available on
Kahles: k318i, k525i
Steiner: M5Xi 5-25, M7Xi 4-28, M7Xi 4-28 IFS
S&B: PMII 3-20 Ultra,PMII 5-25, PMII 3-27, PMII 5-45
Any chance a Burris scope will get the MSR2 reticle?
That makes sense for sure. I thought because Steiner and Burris shared the SCR reticle they might do the same with the MSR2, but makes sense that it will be a Steiner only option for now.There are no plans, but I can pass the suggestion along.
Keep in mind that every SKU variation really increases product management complexity. That's fine for a Steiner M-series, which are practically made to order anyway. It's harder for a company like Burris that wants to get products out to distributors and stores across the country: now they need to stock the illuminated and non-illuminated, plus versions of each reticle and each color. And, offering the MSR2 reticle would mean a partnership with FinnAccuracy since Burris and Steiner are separate companies. So lots of moving pieces involved. I'm just pointing out some more reasons, in addition to JL's points, why every company doesn't offer every option.
Really a nice-looking reticle. I would be interested to know what drove the decision for the minor hashmarks on the elevation line to be .15 mils instead of .2. So holding on the end of the line would be .075 mils of wind instead of .1 mils. Just kind of an odd number - unless I'm just reading the diagram wrong. Honestly, I really like the overall design and I think it would look fantastic on target.
Would it be safe to say that since this is not a Christmas tree style reticle the intent is to dial elevation and not hold elevation, with that being the case you're going to use the main horizontal stadia for wind and not the tiny hash marks lower down the vertical stadia.Minor 0.5mrad hasmark dimensions are balanced purely based on clear overall look and feel: Dimensions were made so that 1mrad deviation hashes are clearly dominant and 0.5mrad smaller hashmarks should not clutter clear and light feel - but are still just big enough to pop out as soon as eye focuses on them.
So principle is very simple but surpringly hard to balance in practice. May sound over-complicated explanation as it is essentially just a straight line with several short lines intersecting it. But we did try many longer and thinner / shorter and thicker alternatives, even different shapes instead of lines. Result, as it is in final reticle and original MSR already, just felt right.
Same principle was used again for MSR2 when balancing 0.2mrad half-hashmarks next to center. Idea with those too was to keep them as small as possible to keep center-area look clean, but still big enough to see them well as soon as they are actually needed.
I must have communicated my question poorly. I wasn't debating whether to have minor hashmarks at .2 versus .5. I think having .2 mil hashmarks up to 1 mil of wind and then .5 after that is great. My SWFA mil quad has .5 the whole way and it works just fine, but having .2 hashmarks before I get to a mil would be a bonus.Minor 0.5mrad hasmark dimensions are balanced purely based on clear overall look and feel: Dimensions were made so that 1mrad deviation hashes are clearly dominant and 0.5mrad smaller hashmarks should not clutter clear and light feel - but are still just big enough to pop out as soon as eye focuses on them.
So principle is very simple but surpringly hard to balance in practice. May sound over-complicated explanation as it is essentially just a straight line with several short lines intersecting it. But we did try many longer and thinner / shorter and thicker alternatives, even different shapes instead of lines. Result, as it is in final reticle and original MSR already, just felt right.
Same principle was used again for MSR2 when balancing 0.2mrad half-hashmarks next to center. Idea with those too was to keep them as small as possible to keep center-area look clean, but still big enough to see them well as soon as they are actually needed.
Apologies for being unclear!What I was trying to ask is why the length of the minor hashmark itself was .15 instead of .2. Like I said, I could just be reading the subtensions incorrectly, but that's what it looks like to me.
Would it be safe to say that since this is not a Christmas tree style reticle the intent is to dial elevation and not hold elevation, with that being the case you're going to use the main horizontal stadia for wind and not the tiny hash marks lower down the vertical stadia.
I agree JL, different schools of thought and different design criteria for different purposes; however, our ability to overcome deficiencies allows us to utilize tools even if they aren't idea for the situation. Getting to know your reticle and understand how best to use it in different situations should be high priority when you purchase a new scope. Granted some are "easier" to understand or have a quicker learning curve than others, but even the simplest of mil hash reticles these days are useful. The original MSR built upon this concept of taking the mil hash to the next level and providing more information with the ranging and grid sections and while most are able to get by with .5 mil divisions along the horizontal/vertical stadia and being able to figure out where .2, .6, .8, etc. are in between, the new .2 mil division can further assist without being too cluttered especially for those who hold wind. I do wish you would have put the .2 mil ticks along the vertical stadia as well near the center cross but with the inverted milling L and the .1/.2 mil ticks at the 2-3 mil section above the center cross these should be close enough to easily measure splash.I guess you could say that.
But principle idea of using certain type of reticle only certain way is a rule full of exceptions.
Generally speaking,
I have witnessed very experienced guys hammering 1st round hits at very very rapid pace from 300...1000yds+ without touching turrets at all- by using classic and original mildot reticle.
In another hand, I have seen ex-mil snipers and combat vets getting overloaded with ballistic wrist computer and extremely complex reticle paired with it, shooting all misses in modest (for them) 600yds range. All because they need to process so much different type of things in a hurry that they missed basic fundamentals: branches/bush 5yds away from firing point.
So each shooter is individual person. We all can process certain amount of things in certain time. Optimal way of handling task on hand varies between different people. And this is not really about intelligence or smartness, people are just different.
Personally I think that when in doubt, clarity always wins. This is also one of the main reasons we have been hesitating with tree designs, although I naturally see principle benefits it can offer over classic crosses. But trees also have their downsides, as any reticle type has.
We do have several tree-types drawn already, designs also having some very unique differences compared to any tree reticle on market. We will see, maybe some day.
Ouch, is that what Schmidt has said for the 3-20 Ultra Short, $700? And I'd imagine it has to go back to Germany for the swap or will they do it here in the states?I would like to get a reticle swap to this from the old MSR in a 3-20 US as well. $700 is kind of steep for a swap but at least they'll do it.
That's fantastic news on the Schmidt, thank you for the updateI sent an email to FinnAccuracy on June 3 this what they said: " 3-20 UltraShort will be first. It is in pipeline already, 2-3 months.
3-27 HighPower will follow right after, then rest. Meaning 5-25 and 5-45." I also emailed S&B the same afternoon they also said about 3 months.
Another note Finn Accuracy was very responsive and really fast to respond. Answered all my questions and was very good to deal with thus far.
I heard the Steiner M7Xi is delayed for the 4-28x56 with MSR2 reticle. Was really hoping to see this in the field by now. Any updates on when the M7Xi or Schmidt US 3-20 might show up with the MSR2?
Unfortunately, with Schmidt and Bender they don't have the best daylight illumination and during cloud cover situations it was very hard to see the reticle at low power even with illumination maxed out; however, in shadow or low light situations this will definitely help.On really low power I like to turn the Illumination on
Great pics WJM308! It's good to see the reticle at various magnifications. Huge help for me.Unfortunately, with Schmidt and Bender they don't have the best daylight illumination and during cloud cover situations it was very hard to see the reticle at low power even with illumination maxed out; however, in shadow or low light situations this will definitely help.