Rifle Scopes New optics question see page 3

[exedotbat]

Im planning on picking up a new scope for my .308 Im pretty set on the US Optics st-10, but I have also looked at the night force NXS 3.5x15-50. I just wanted to get everyones opinions.

My range is only 300 yards, and I doubt I will get out further than that unless I drive out of state.

 

[malaga2]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

ST10 is a great piece of kit...built like a brick shithouse...Im likin mine

 

[wdebo]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

I dont like fixed power scopes. But both of them are great scopes. So take your pick.

 

[45.308]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

I would go with ST-10, I wish it was what I ended up with but I talked myself out of it. I like simple and really prefer a fixed 10x. I used with my SN at first but last few times out, stays on 10x.

I have looked through a few NF and nothing wrong with them at all. But, with USO you can order it like you want, not a off-the-shelf scope.

 

[sickeness]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

I think it would be foolish to go with the USO, an ST-10 specced out with the same features as a NF 3.5-15 NXS would be the same price.

IMO the Nightforce has better glass, better knobs, better illumination and better reticles. USO makes a rugged scope but I think the Nightforce is equally as durable at far less weight. I have owned both and I would definitely say that the NF is the better buy.

The "order how you want" comment doesn't make sense since the NF has every feature that the USO has offered except for the EREK knob and colored anodizing, (you can even choose mil or moa knobs/reticles) why would you opt for "less" features?

 

[jhedg]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

depending on what your intended use was I would say ST-10 I would take a USO over a Nightforce anyday, build it how you want it

 

[AlabamaShooter]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

Ive never used a NF scope, never heard anything bad about em. But I love my ST-10 so far.

 

[exedotbat]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jhedg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">depending on what your intended use was I would say ST-10 I would take a USO over a Nightforce anyday, build it how you want it </div></div>

Its just going to be for range use, and tactical matches. Furthest distance is 300 yards. I just want something that will be a nice quality piece, and clear.

 

[MEL07]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

Can't go wrong either way... Though I have a personal preference for USO. I have an ST-10 and could not be happier with it. It has performed equally well both on the range and in a hunting context. In addition to building great products, USO seems to also be a great company.

 

[sobrbiker883]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

I'd rather have a fixed 10X than a SFP variable, so my vote goes ST10 (fifteen more weeks to go for mine

).

Nothing wrong with NF, I just refuse miss another holdover because I wasn't dialed to the right power.

 

[head2h2o]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

If you only plan to shoot out to 300yds, the 10x is plenty of magnification, but you won't go wrong with either choice. Is your 308 a bolt or semi-auto? I personally don't like fixed power scopes on my bolt guns.

 

[7mmRM]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

Id roll with the 3.5-15 NXS everytime. If FFP tickles your fancy, spring for a NXS F1.

 

[exedotbat]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

Yeah its a remington 5r

 

[Rob01]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

Definitely a Nightforce. I have had both.

 

[CaptainChaos51]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

I have a NF and I enjoy it. I am also looking at an ST-10 for a future build. Both rad. It mostly depends on how custom you want to go. Like previously stated you can get a much more tailored scope to your needs from USO. On the other hand you can order a NF immediately depending on the vendor. I got mine from euro optics and it was there in a couple of days. I think your first question is do you want custom or off the shelf, and/or do you want it now or later.
CC

 

[bbhank]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

I havent shot 1000 yards yet but I have lined my glass up on a house that is 989 yrds(according to google earth) and with my $129 dollar 10x vortex. I could line up on a bathroom window that was no more that 16"tx30"w with no problems. one day i hope to see if i can actually hit it not the window 1000 yards.

 

[JRose]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

300 yards, ST10 all the way... Out to distance, well, the dynamic of your decision making changes a bit due to the higher mag vs. a fixed 10x...

I have had 3 NF's and one ST10. ST10 was one of the best scopes i've ever owned. Glass was crystal clear, and it withstood a 4' drop onto the elevation turret without even loosing it's zero.

How's that for dependable?

 

[96C]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

mate, i put this post together a couple months ago when i was facing the exact same problem...

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...404#Post1282404

also this one here...

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...174#Post1293174


needless to say my two ST-10 scopes should be here before xmas

 

[patriot338]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

I have a US Optics SN-3 for sale if you are interested. It has the GAP reticle. It would be a great scope for what you are doing. I love it! But I need more magnification for the distances I am shooting. I will sell it for about $2100, maybe $2000, with rings.

 

[exedotbat]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 96C</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mate, i put this post together a couple months ago when i was facing the exact same problem...

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...404#Post1282404

also this one here...

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...174#Post1293174


needless to say my two ST-10 scopes should be here before xmas

</div></div>

Thanks for the posts. So do you think the erek is worth it?

This is how I was planning on specing it out.

Ergo Upgrade
37mm
US#3 Mil Elevation
US#3 Mil Windage
Mil Scale GAP

 

[doc76251]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

I've got a couple in stock (ST-10's and 1.8 - 10X ERGO's). If you shoot me an e-mail I will get the specs of the ones I have and prices to you tomorrow.

Cheers,

Doc

 

[KUSA]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sickeness</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IMO the Nightforce has better glass, better knobs, better illumination and better reticles. USO makes a rugged scope but I think the Nightforce is equally as durable at far less weight. I have owned both and I would definitely say that the NF is the better buy.
</div></div>
I have never heard anyone claim that NF has better glass than USO. On the contrary its always USO that is preferred in the glass department. I have read comments of many experts that feel the NF glass is mediocre. I'm not trying to say anything bad about NF its just that your comment shocked me.

 

[exedotbat]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: doc76251</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've got a couple in stock (ST-10's and 1.8 - 10X ERGO's). If you shoot me an e-mail I will get the specs of the ones I have and prices to you tomorrow.

Cheers,

Doc </div></div>

Emailed you

 

[sobrbiker883]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ninpo2006</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sickeness</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IMO the Nightforce has better glass, better knobs, better illumination and better reticles. USO makes a rugged scope but I think the Nightforce is equally as durable at far less weight. I have owned both and I would definitely say that the NF is the better buy.
</div></div>
I have never heard anyone claim that NF has better glass than USO. On the contrary its always USO that is preferred in the glass department. I have read comments of many experts that feel the NF glass is mediocre. I'm not trying to say anything bad about NF its just that your comment shocked me. </div></div>

ninpo2006- do you have either? While I don't agree with sickeness' comments, I definately disagree with your statement if based on "comments of many experts" and a supposition that "its always USO that is preferred in the glass department".

We really need to start keeping information to reality and experience around here. Historically the 'hide has been a place where the straight skinny could be had and I for one would like to see it stay that way.

I have no NF, but have shot with it. Good clarity on the one's I've shot.
I've had 3 USO's and still have one and want another. My 37mm ST10 was the clearest of the three, followed by the SN4S I had. The SN3 I had was really picky on diopter and adjustment of the Ergo for clarity around the near end (100yds), but I really think that was due to my eyeglass prescription shifting during the time I owned it.

 

[yakimasubaru]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

variable power is the way to go even if your only going to 300 yards. I have a nightforce and i love it. I wouldnt give it up for a straight power scope ever. even if it was a uso.

 

[steve123]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

exedotbat,

I've briefly looked through some USO's and the glass was nice.

Recently a friend of mine bought a NF 3.5-15x50F1 mil/mil.I really liked that scope!!!!It sure is a good size of scope for what it offers.

I spent allot of time helping him sight in and shoot long range for 2 days strait and left wanting one bad!Just nothing to complain about at all.

We were at Raton NM at the Wittington center and took some shots at the 1123 yard steel Buffalo.My friend thought he had dialed down to the zero stop but had dialed all the way up instead.I thought the scope had busted until I figured out what the problem was.So I dialed down to the sight in range 400Y and hit exactly where it was supposed to.

Some times you might want more magnification than 10x and sometimes you might require less!You never know what the future holds.

Steve

 

[RussW1911]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

I've had 5 USO's over the years.

Glass was sub-par for what you spend on the scope.

2 ST-10's
1 ST-17 (no problems)
1 3.2-17
1 3.8-22

Failure to return to zero, improper tracking, parallax issues....

Well, the 17x never had a problem and I was a fan of the EREK knob.

Now, I have never had a single problem with any of my Night Force scopes. I use them a lot harder than the others and they keep on ticking.

But hey, USO has great customer service, right.

 

[Dark Horse]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

I have found that the glass between the two is pretty much splitting hairs. I owned 1 Nightforce and looked through many others and would not say there is any reason to pick one over the USO for glass alone.

I vote for the USO because it has good glass, it is a custom build and their entire organization kicks ass.

 

[sandwarrior]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

USO and NF both have glass that's a hell of a lot better than most anything around.

My question to you is what kind of shooting are you doing @ 300 yds. If it's silhouette then 10x is fine. If you and your fellow shooters are trying to shoot little groups 10x is tough to compete {edit: <span style="text-decoration: line-through">with</span> in that, no matter how clear the glass is. You might consider just getting higher power to do that. However, as noted shooting silhouette and ringing steel, a good quality 10x is all you need. The other thing about a fixed 10x as someone mentioned above is that when using the mildot reticle...you don't have to worry about what power you're on.

FWIW, I have an ST-10 with an MOA reticle. It works great for me because my brain thinks in inches and I don't have to communicate with someone who talks in mil. Meaning, I'm not on the cutting edge anymore. So, I shoot what I like/what's easy for me.

 

[supra]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

im not trying to steal this post but im in the same boat. im building a 6.5x284 and im wanting to hunt with it but shoot out to 1000 at steel aswell. my question is this.....should i go with a nf 5.5-22x50 or a uso sn3? thanks for any info given. and i think they are both great scopes. so its kinda hard to say which one is better than the other. i think it comes down to whatever you think looks best on your gun.

 

[magyarbetyar]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

I have a NF 3.5-15X56ZS and love the thing. Still playing with it as far as tracking and repeatability. Only have a 200 yd range and cant really paly to much with the knobs. The glass is awsome and very clear.

I can not comment on USO as I have only looked through one in the store and not in the field.

 

[exedotbat]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

If I went with NF what are the downsides with not going FFP? Is it just difficulty measuring distance at different mag?

 

[matchking]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

Downside would be using reticle for elevation/wind holds when not on full power. Moving targets, multiple targets, etc. can become difficult. If shooting stationary targets without time constraints, SFP is alright.

 

[magyarbetyar]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

Ranging with a non FFP scope just takes practice. You can range with any magnification, BUT you have to know what the difference will be as far as what 1 MOA or 1 MIL will represent at the particular magnification you are using.

Example my NF uses 15x mag for ranging. 1 inch target = 1 MOA (OK not true MOA) at 100 yds at 15X magnification.

If I dial it back to 7.5X magnification that same 1 inch target now = 2 MOA on the reticle at 100 yds.

It really comes down to how familiar you are with your scope.

 

[steve123]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RussW1911 ®</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've had 5 USO's over the years.

Glass was sub-par for what you spend on the scope.

2 ST-10's
1 ST-17 (no problems)
1 3.2-17
1 3.8-22

Failure to return to zero, improper tracking, parallax issues....

Well, the 17x never had a problem and I was a fan of the EREK knob.

Now, I have never had a single problem with any of my Night Force scopes. I use them a lot harder than the others and they keep on ticking.

But hey, USO has great customer service, right. </div></div>

Haha,

You got balls,Russ!!! but hey +1 for honest feedback.

I can't wait for NF to come out with the 5.5-22F1.I hope they do a reticle similar to the new Vortex 5-20.

Steve

 

[AJBello]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: magyarbetyar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ranging with a non FFP scope just takes practice. You can range with any magnification, BUT you have to know what the difference will be as far as what 1 MOA or 1 MIL will represent at the particular magnification you are using.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Example my NF uses 15x mag for ranging. 1 inch target = 1 MOA (OK not true MOA) at 100 yds at 15X magnification.

If I dial it back to 7.5X magnification that same 1 inch target now = <span style="text-decoration: line-through">2</span> <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-size: 14pt">.5</span></span> MOA on the reticle at 100 yds.</span>

It really comes down to how familiar you are with your scope. </div></div>

Fixed it for ya.
________________________________________

And to the original question - I have two USOs (SN3 3.2-17 & SN3 5-25), and had one NF 3.5-15. I honestly didn't notice a ton of difference in glass. Maybe a slight edge to the USO but the NF was great in that department and was MORE than adequate.

There were a few nit-picky things that killed the NF for me. Mainly the whole ocular turning for magnification (really a pain for using flip caps) and how fine the reticle is. Both were issues for me because I use my rifles for hunting also. Flip caps are a must for me here in the rainy Pac NW, and the NPR1 reticle was so fine that I would lose my aiming point in brushy areas on moving shots. If it were only for target use neither would have mattered, and I suppose might even be preferred. Even nit-pickier dislikes were the lack of field-adjustable illumination and the low MOA per turn that the knobs had. Overall, even with my dislikes I really liked the NF, and really almost miss it. If they went to a magnification ring instead of turning the whole ocular (like their 2.5-10 model), that would be enough to make me buy another one in a heart beat.

My USOs are great. The glass is good, although not really glaringly better than the NF that I had. For the price difference I thought maybe there would be more of a jump. No complaints though, they are very clear. I suspect once you get to this level of optics the differences are pretty minute. The wait for a USO sucks... I would buy a used on here if I found myself in need again. Save some big $ usually as well as several months. I really love my USOs though. EREK knob is a dream, I like the IPHY / IPHY setup, I like having capped windage knob as I usually dial for elevation and then hold for wind. For me, the USOs are the best answer for my needs at this point.

I personally don't like fixed power so I would choose the NF in your scenario. If you don't mind the fixed thing, then the USOs are nice IMO.

 

[RussW1911]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RussW1911 ®</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've had 5 USO's over the years.

Glass was sub-par for what you spend on the scope.

2 ST-10's
1 ST-17 (no problems)
1 3.2-17
1 3.8-22

Failure to return to zero, improper tracking, parallax issues....

Well, the 17x never had a problem and I was a fan of the EREK knob.

Now, I have never had a single problem with any of my Night Force scopes. I use them a lot harder than the others and they keep on ticking.

But hey, USO has great customer service, right. </div></div>

Haha,

You got balls,Russ!!! but hey +1 for honest feedback.

I can't wait for NF to come out with the 5.5-22F1.I hope they do a reticle similar to the new Vortex 5-20.

Steve



</div></div>

Steve, I calls 'em likes I see's 'em.

Hell, you remember when i shot with you. You were honest about the problems you had with that scope you were using. Just don't touch the turrets, right. haha

I have major heartburn with the "hunky dory" attitude of if you pay the most for something it is obviously the best. I mis purchased many years ago and hope to help others out with saving some bucks.

Now, if I knew then, what I know now, I wouldn't own half of what I own now.

 

[magyarbetyar]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AJBello</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: magyarbetyar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ranging with a non FFP scope just takes practice. You can range with any magnification, BUT you have to know what the difference will be as far as what 1 MOA or 1 MIL will represent at the particular magnification you are using.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Example my NF uses 15x mag for ranging. 1 inch target = 1 MOA (OK not true MOA) at 100 yds at 15X magnification.

If I dial it back to 7.5X magnification that same 1 inch target now = <span style="text-decoration: line-through">2</span> <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-size: 14pt">.5</span></span> MOA on the reticle at 100 yds.</span>

It really comes down to how familiar you are with your scope. </div></div>

Fixed it for ya.

________________________________________

And to the original question - I have two USOs (SN3 3.2-17 & SN3 5-25), and had one NF 3.5-15. I honestly didn't notice a ton of difference in glass. Maybe a slight edge to the USO but the NF was great in that department and was MORE than adequate.

There were a few nit-picky things that killed the NF for me. Mainly the whole ocular turning for magnification (really a pain for using flip caps) and how fine the reticle is. Both were issues for me because I use my rifles for hunting also. Flip caps are a must for me here in the rainy Pac NW, and the NPR1 reticle was so fine that I would lose my aiming point in brushy areas on moving shots. If it were only for target use neither would have mattered, and I suppose might even be preferred. Even nit-pickier dislikes were the lack of field-adjustable illumination and the low MOA per turn that the knobs had. Overall, even with my dislikes I really liked the NF, and really almost miss it. If they went to a magnification ring instead of turning the whole ocular (like their 2.5-10 model), that would be enough to make me buy another one in a heart beat.

My USOs are great. The glass is good, although not really glaringly better than the NF that I had. For the price difference I thought maybe there would be more of a jump. No complaints though, they are very clear. I suspect once you get to this level of optics the differences are pretty minute. The wait for a USO sucks... I would buy a used on here if I found myself in need again. Save some big $ usually as well as several months. I really love my USOs though. EREK knob is a dream, I like the IPHY / IPHY setup, I like having capped windage knob as I usually dial for elevation and then hold for wind. For me, the USOs are the best answer for my needs at this point.

I personally don't like fixed power so I would choose the NF in your scenario. If you don't mind the fixed thing, then the USOs are nice IMO. </div></div>


ooops!! Brain was thinking backwards.

 

[cjgemm]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RussW1911 ®</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've had 5 USO's over the years.

Glass was sub-par for what you spend on the scope.

2 ST-10's
1 ST-17 (no problems)
1 3.2-17
1 3.8-22

Failure to return to zero, improper tracking, parallax issues....

Well, the 17x never had a problem and I was a fan of the EREK knob.

Now, I have never had a single problem with any of my Night Force scopes. I use them a lot harder than the others and they keep on ticking.

But hey, USO has great customer service, right. </div></div>

Haha,

You got balls,Russ!!! but hey +1 for honest feedback.

I can't wait for NF to come out with the 5.5-22F1.I hope they do a reticle similar to the new Vortex 5-20.

Steve



</div></div>

I for one would think it would be great if they came out with another MIL reticle with more hold over, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Rob01]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

Russ how dare you use actual personal experience even though you aren't the only one who has had the same experiences.

 

[Dark Horse]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

While we're on the subject of actual experience, my Nightforce shit the bed twice, 4 USO's later I haven't had a problem with any of them.

 

[exedotbat]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

Im leaning toward the USO, I haven't really considered a Leupold from my initial research, but should I rule them out?

 

[sickeness]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RussW1911 ®</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RussW1911 ®</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've had 5 USO's over the years.

Glass was sub-par for what you spend on the scope.

2 ST-10's
1 ST-17 (no problems)
1 3.2-17
1 3.8-22

Failure to return to zero, improper tracking, parallax issues....

Well, the 17x never had a problem and I was a fan of the EREK knob.

Now, I have never had a single problem with any of my Night Force scopes. I use them a lot harder than the others and they keep on ticking.

But hey, USO has great customer service, right. </div></div>

Haha,

You got balls,Russ!!! but hey +1 for honest feedback.

I can't wait for NF to come out with the 5.5-22F1.I hope they do a reticle similar to the new Vortex 5-20.

Steve



</div></div>

Steve, I calls 'em likes I see's 'em.

Hell, you remember when i shot with you. You were honest about the problems you had with that scope you were using. Just don't touch the turrets, right. haha

I have major heartburn with the "hunky dory" attitude of if you pay the most for something it is obviously the best. I mis purchased many years ago and hope to help others out with saving some bucks.

Now, if I knew then, what I know now, I wouldn't own half of what I own now.

</div></div>

Ya know,
Its wierd to me because honestly I don't see what the hype is about USO. I bought the kool-aid at one point and my first few "top tier" tactical scopes were USO and I always thought they were the cat's ass. That is, until I handled S&B and NF scopes. For one thing, USO scopes always seemed like they never came right straight from the factory, I had one with knobs that were WAY too mushy that had to be sent back and also another one with a jacked up lens that had to be sent back. Funny thing still about thier "great" customer service is that they insisted that there was nothing wrong with the scopes I had sent back and flat out refused to fix them until I insisted that they do so and even then it took them months to fix and return the scopes. Again, funny because my NF and S&B scopes never came with those problems. To be fair, I eventually got my USO scopes squared away and working properly or exchanged to the point where I was happy with them, but I eventually sold all my USO stuff because of my disgust with the company over all the ordeals I was put through with their "great" customer service.

Another thing that people like to say about USO is that "they are built tough!" or "built like a tank", when really the simple fact of the matter is that they are too freakin heavy. Just because the scope is heavy and "feels" tough doesn't necessarily mean it is tough, don't be fooled by the weight. Regarding the glass quality, you need not look any further than the Houston area scope comparison thread where nearly every single reviewer present felt that USO glass was inferior to the glass on other top dollar scopes, you may not be able to tell the difference in daylight but during low light USO scopes have comparatively inferior contrast.

Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying USO sucks, they are great scopes with above average glass, innovative reticles, great features and the EREK knob is fantastic (when it isn't mushy). USO is leaps and bounds better than Leupold and is priced pretty reasonably for a FFP scope. I just feel that I need to put this out there to try and counteract the overwhelming blind love that people have for the product on here and try to give the OP all the facts before spending his money on a scope. I honestly feel that as an entry level "top tier scope" Nightforce is your best bet due to the consistency of the product and the fact that they resell easily for 80% of the full retail price (for when you do want to move up).

 

[RussW1911]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Russ how dare you use actual personal experience even though you aren't the only one who has had the same experiences.

</div></div>

I know Rob01, I'm such a jerk.

 

[RussW1911]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: exedotbat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im leaning toward the USO, I haven't really considered a Leupold from my initial research, but should I rule them out? </div></div>

Jeez, get an ATN over the Loopy! Serious. You'll have better luck.

 

[RussW1911]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sickeness</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RussW1911 ®</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RussW1911 ®</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've had 5 USO's over the years.

Glass was sub-par for what you spend on the scope.

2 ST-10's
1 ST-17 (no problems)
1 3.2-17
1 3.8-22

Failure to return to zero, improper tracking, parallax issues....

Well, the 17x never had a problem and I was a fan of the EREK knob.

Now, I have never had a single problem with any of my Night Force scopes. I use them a lot harder than the others and they keep on ticking.

But hey, USO has great customer service, right. </div></div>

Haha,

You got balls,Russ!!! but hey +1 for honest feedback.

I can't wait for NF to come out with the 5.5-22F1.I hope they do a reticle similar to the new Vortex 5-20.

Steve



</div></div>

Steve, I calls 'em likes I see's 'em.

Hell, you remember when i shot with you. You were honest about the problems you had with that scope you were using. Just don't touch the turrets, right. haha

I have major heartburn with the "hunky dory" attitude of if you pay the most for something it is obviously the best. I mis purchased many years ago and hope to help others out with saving some bucks.

Now, if I knew then, what I know now, I wouldn't own half of what I own now.

</div></div>

Ya know,
Its wierd to me because honestly I don't see what the hype is about USO. I bought the kool-aid at one point and my first few "top tier" tactical scopes were USO and I always thought they were the cat's ass. That is, until I handled S&B and NF scopes. For one thing, USO scopes always seemed like they never came right straight from the factory, I had one with knobs that were WAY too mushy that had to be sent back and also another one with a jacked up lens that had to be sent back. Funny thing still about thier "great" customer service is that they insisted that there was nothing wrong with the scopes I had sent back and flat out refused to fix them until I insisted that they do so and even then it took them months to fix and return the scopes. Again, funny because my NF and S&B scopes never came with those problems. To be fair, I eventually got my USO scopes squared away and working properly or exchanged to the point where I was happy with them, but I eventually sold all my USO stuff because of my disgust with the company over all the ordeals I was put through with their "great" customer service.

Another thing that people like to say about USO is that "they are built tough!" or "built like a tank", when really the simple fact of the matter is that they are too freakin heavy. Just because the scope is heavy and "feels" tough doesn't necessarily mean it is tough, don't be fooled by the weight. Regarding the glass quality, you need not look any further than the Houston area scope comparison thread where nearly every single reviewer present felt that USO glass was inferior to the glass on other top dollar scopes, you may not be able to tell the difference in daylight but during low light USO scopes have comparatively inferior contrast.

Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying USO sucks, they are great scopes with above average glass, innovative reticles, great features and the EREK knob is fantastic (when it isn't mushy). USO is leaps and bounds better than Leupold and is priced pretty reasonably for a FFP scope. I just feel that I need to put this out there to try and counteract the overwhelming blind love that people have for the product on here and try to give the OP all the facts before spending his money on a scope. I honestly feel that as an entry level "top tier scope" Nightforce is your best bet due to the consistency of the product and the fact that they resell easily for 80% of the full retail price (for when you do want to move up). </div></div>

I forgot about the knob issues. I need to buy you a drink.

 

[exedotbat]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RussW1911 ®</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: exedotbat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im leaning toward the USO, I haven't really considered a Leupold from my initial research, but should I rule them out? </div></div>

Jeez, get an ATN over the Loopy! Serious. You'll have better luck. </div></div>

I guess that confirms my initial conclusions.

 

[JSTARSZ]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

well, if I were you and I only was going to shoot at 300 and under I would buy a used Leupold MK4 on this site for under 800 and save the money and buy ammunition. Just in IMHO.

 

[RussW1911]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

There is a reason used Leupolds go for so cheap.

 

[JSTARSZ]

Re: US Optics st-10 or NF

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RussW1911 ®</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is a reason used Leupolds go for so cheap.</div></div>

agreed, but when you are on a budget there are compromises and Leupold is not a bad way to go.