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New poster, new rifle. Rem700 SPS Vrmt, .308

UtahJarhead

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I've been reading the forum posts a lot, but don't think I've ever posted. I figured I would wait until I had something worth posting.

I built my first rifle and right now it's low end, but when it's completed, I hope to have a good one. I want to make sure I'm not screwing anything up, so let me know what I've already hosed or got wrong.

The rifle is a Remington 700 SPS Varmint. 26" heavy barrel w/ 1 in 12 twist. Blued finish. I have not yet replaced the non-free-floating stock.

The rail is a cheap $30 cast picatinny rail, but it fits very well. The screws that came with it are basic flat screwdriver screws that I don't particularly like. Unfortunately, it was a difference of $100 to pick up a proper rail. How much of a difference, and what advantages will I get by going with a better rail?

The rings are Leupold PRW 30mm Medium 0.97" rings. The rings I think I did well in buying. http://www.leupold.com/hunting-and-shoot...tems/prw-rings/

The scope I know wasn't the best choice, but it comes down to money right now because my wife and I are buying a home. http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-6-5-20x44-pa-riflescope-dead-hold-bdc-reticle
The specs on the scope in my opinion are incredible for the price point of $399 that I got it for. Probably a more expensive than if I hunted online for one. Eventually, it will be replaced with something much better like a gold ring Leupold. Mk IV looks really nice, but very pricey. I'm ok with that, just not yet.

I got a very low end stock bag that also raises my cheek weld maybe a quarter inch, but more importantly the fabric on top keeps my face from slipping around and does give a lot of comfort. It's also got 5 slots for spare ammo on the side.

The bipod is also a low end because I'm not sure at all what I really need to look for. It's a cheap $40 bipod that mounts to the sling's swivel mount. It's padded so as not to mar the finish of whatever gun it's on. The length is 9-13 inches which seems to do ok. What's normally used for prone shooting? I also picked up a beanbag from Caldwell that cost $15 or so. It's good enough to pull the rifle into my shoulder and keep it there. Should I get a larger one to use instead of the bipod or should the bipod fill the bill?

The first thing I noticed is that I've seen the gun advertised as having 5+1. With snap caps, I can manage to shove a 5th round into there. With live ammo, I can't. It's the top lip near the ejection port that's preventing it. Is this normal? I'm not too worried about that, and here's why...

The stock sucks. It's not free-floating and it's fairly unergonomic for me and doesn't feel natural putting my hands on the grip and firing. The angle feels slightly wrong. I AM going to replace the stock. They're expensive, but the McRee stocks really appeal to me. Adding to the 5+1 detail in the previous paragraph, I don't think it's an issue because I'd planned on the detachable mag stock from McRee.

Right now, I can comfortably take it to 6-700 yards if I wanted and I know I can put rounds on target with 1 MOA accuracy if not less. Granted, I haven't hardly shot any rifles since I got out of the Corps, but I'm ok with that for now.
 
Re: New poster, new rifle. Rem700 SPS Vrmt, .308

I am going to answer all of this as you ask it.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: UtahJarhead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've been reading the forum posts a lot, but don't think I've ever posted. I figured I would wait until I had something worth posting.

I built my first rifle and right now it's low end, but when it's completed, I hope to have a good one. I want to make sure I'm not screwing anything up, so let me know what I've already hosed or got wrong.

The rifle is a Remington 700 SPS Varmint. 26" heavy barrel w/ 1 in 12 twist. Blued finish. I have not yet replaced the non-free-floating stock. <span style="color: #FF0000"> Why replace it, those stocks can be glassed and pillared, the barrel channel lightly sanded to free float the barrel, money's tight, make due with what you got for now, besides, glassing your own rifle is a good learning experience.</span>

The rail is a cheap $30 cast picatinny rail, but it fits very well. The screws that came with it are basic flat screwdriver screws that I don't particularly like. Unfortunately, it was a difference of $100 to pick up a proper rail. How much of a difference, and what advantages will I get by going with a better rail?<span style="color: #FF0000"> A good rail will usually be made to tighter tolerances and be straighter,flatter, etc. all things that will help to keep you in the middle of the adjustment range on your scope and in a clearer field of view, all while not binding your scope </span>

The rings are Leupold PRW 30mm Medium 0.97" rings. The rings I think I did well in buying. http://www.leupold.com/hunting-and-shoot...tems/prw-rings/ <span style="color: #FF0000"> good rings, don't change a thing, other than maybe a slight lap job when you get the new rail and know everything is flat and parallel </span>



The scope I know wasn't the best choice, but it comes down to money right now because my wife and I are buying a home. http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-6-5-20x44-pa-riflescope-dead-hold-bdc-reticle
The specs on the scope in my opinion are incredible for the price point of $399 that I got it for. Probably a more expensive than if I hunted online for one. Eventually, it will be replaced with something much better like a gold ring Leupold. Mk IV looks really nice, but very pricey. I'm ok with that, just not yet. <span style="color: #FF0000"> Not a real bad scope for being on a budget, you could have done a lot worse not real fond of that reticle though, MK4 would be a good choice, as would be a USO or Schmidt Bender, SWFA SS, etc. just stick with a mil-dot on your first rig, and learn to use it. </span>




I got a very low end stock bag that also raises my cheek weld maybe a quarter inch, but more importantly the fabric on top keeps my face from slipping around and does give a lot of comfort. It's also got 5 slots for spare ammo on the side.

The bipod is also a low end because I'm not sure at all what I really need to look for. It's a cheap $40 bipod that mounts to the sling's swivel mount. It's padded so as not to mar the finish of whatever gun it's on. The length is 9-13 inches which seems to do ok. What's normally used for prone shooting? I also picked up a beanbag from Caldwell that cost $15 or so. It's good enough to pull the rifle into my shoulder and keep it there. Should I get a larger one to use instead of the bipod or should the bipod fill the bill?

The first thing I noticed is that I've seen the gun advertised as having 5+1. With snap caps, I can manage to shove a 5th round into there. With live ammo, I can't. It's the top lip near the ejection port that's preventing it. Is this normal? I'm not too worried about that, and here's why...

The stock sucks. It's not free-floating and it's fairly unergonomic for me and doesn't feel natural putting my hands on the grip and firing. The angle feels slightly wrong. I AM going to replace the stock. They're expensive, but the McRee stocks really appeal to me. Adding to the 5+1 detail in the previous paragraph, I don't think it's an issue because I'd planned on the detachable mag stock from McRee.

Right now, I can comfortably take it to 6-700 yards if I wanted and I know I can put rounds on target with 1 MOA accuracy if not less. Granted, I haven't hardly shot any rifles since I got out of the Corps, but I'm ok with that for now. </div></div>


All the other stuff ought ot be fine, just don't forget you don't always have to replace your stock with a tacticool one. I have had several cheap Remington factory plastic stocks that when the buttstock section is filled with a little bit of spray foam insulation so it doesn't sound hollow, and the action is properly glassed and pillar bedded, and maybe a piece of all thread in the forend if it flexes too much for you shoot great. And best part is, you can order the materials from brownells, midway (don't forget to use your hide discount codes) etc. and do it yourslef, it's actually pretty cheap to do.
 
Re: New poster, new rifle. Rem700 SPS Vrmt, .308

I use Nightforce and Leupold bases for my scopes. i would possibly suggest the leup one as it is a little cheaper. they have then specifically for the rem 700 SA etc. Getting items slowly as you go and when you can afford is exciting. it has integrity.
 
Re: New poster, new rifle. Rem700 SPS Vrmt, .308

Well, you have, aside from the base and rings, exact same setup I have.
But, our rifle, and scope, are one in the same.

I havent stretched her legs out passed 300 yards yet, but up to that, she has been very impressive.

At 100 yards, she is sub MOA, straight out of teh box. In fact, I still havent touched it...trigger, stock, nothing. Eventually, I do want to swap out teh stock, as I have gotten more comfortable behind the rifle, I am finding out, the stock is not a favorite of mine. Ive since shot other Hide members rifles at teh range, and the stock is gonna go bye bye eventually.

Also, the rifle has been able to handle everything down to 150 grain, up to 180 grain, and my rifle really likes the ammo from Hornady, in particular, the 168 grain BTHP. When I do my part, teh rifle groups 1/2" on a pretty much regular basis, as crazy as that sounds coming from an untouched Rem 700. What can I say, I got a ringer from teh get go.

I have been VERY happy with my scope, and I think, dollar for dollar, its as good as it gets. You will be very happy with it. Sure, there is better glass out there, but it's gonna cost ya..
 
Re: New poster, new rifle. Rem700 SPS Vrmt, .308

Excellent idea on just pulling the stock and sanding it down to free-float it. I still need to research how to glass and pillar, but that's on my list. What's a 'lap job' though?
 
Re: New poster, new rifle. Rem700 SPS Vrmt, .308

I have a 308 ADL varmint synthetic and bedded the stock using tips/pics/links at the top of this thread...so much good info... http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1895232 I wouldn't sand the stock without bedding the lug.

I lightened the trigger pull from "almost too heavy" to "pretty darn nice!" I would be a little suspect of your rail... I would definitely bed one end of it with epoxy. Report back!
 
Re: New poster, new rifle. Rem700 SPS Vrmt, .308

There is a whole selection of videos on youtube on glass bedding a SPS-V stock. Search youtube and you will find good stuff on there
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Re: New poster, new rifle. Rem700 SPS Vrmt, .308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: UtahJarhead</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> What's a 'lap job' though? </div></div>

Not to be confused with a lap dance.....
lapping the rings to get better alignment with each other and better contact with the scope.

I'm sure a search in the gunsmithing section will bring up as much as you'd care to read on the subject.

Good luck with the new shooter!!!
 
Re: New poster, new rifle. Rem700 SPS Vrmt, .308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: winxp_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^^ Piggy bank jar for a HS take off stock that sell here for about 200 + or - a few. </div></div>
I might get flamed for this bit, but HS is off limits for me over the Teflon Lon fiasco. I'm sorry if some have a problem with that, but I'm just standing up for what I believe.

fw707, a friend at work showed it to me and I completely understand, now. As far as the picatinny rail, I'm not going to epoxy or lap job it until I replace it with a permanent one which I've made the decision I will whenever I replace the Vortex with a better scope.

I'm looking at the XLR chassis you're talking about and I like the options they have. AICS mag compatibility is great, too. I'm not sure the purpose of the barrel shroud, though (the shoulder thing that goes up). My .308 doesn't get nearly warm enough to warrant that. Is there another purpose to it besides the ability to add rails (which doesn't apply to my wants)?
 
Re: New poster, new rifle. Rem700 SPS Vrmt, .308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: carbinero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a 308 ADL varmint synthetic and bedded the stock using tips/pics/links at the top of this thread...so much good info... http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1895232 I wouldn't sand the stock without bedding the lug.

I lightened the trigger pull from "almost too heavy" to "pretty darn nice!" I would be a little suspect of your rail... I would definitely bed one end of it with epoxy. Report back!</div></div>
Excellent link!!
 
Re: New poster, new rifle. Rem700 SPS Vrmt, .308

complete your profile please


in this game remember one thing.......its garbage in garbage out....

cheap rings and cheap base will end up costing you dearly
cheap glass is usually just that.....cheap hurting more than your pocket in the long run.

putting lipstick on your pig gains you no glory here.

invest in yourself and take a real rifle course....and see what works and what doesn't


learn how to search different topics here on the Hide


complete your profile
 
Re: New poster, new rifle. Rem700 SPS Vrmt, .308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: UtahJarhead</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: winxp_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div>
..As far as the picatinny rail, I'm not going to epoxy or lap job it until I replace it with a permanent one which I've made the decision I will whenever I replace the Vortex with a better scope... </div></div>

I'm not saying to epoxy the rail on, but rather to epoxy bed it, which makes zero change to the gun and instead alters the rail to make it fit without a gap. I'd bet 100 rounds of GMM yours would greatly benefit from bedding. ETA: nice video... http://snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2402990
 
Re: New poster, new rifle. Rem700 SPS Vrmt, .308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: carbinero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: UtahJarhead</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: winxp_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div>
..As far as the picatinny rail, I'm not going to epoxy or lap job it until I replace it with a permanent one which I've made the decision I will whenever I replace the Vortex with a better scope... </div></div>

I'm not saying to epoxy the rail on, but rather to epoxy bed it, which makes zero change to the gun and instead alters the rail to make it fit without a gap. I'd bet 100 rounds of GMM yours would greatly benefit from bedding. ETA: nice video... http://snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2402990</div></div>

+1 to this. Its one good idea without having to worry about how you will take it off if its glued to the action. This is one simple bed job.
 
Re: New poster, new rifle. Rem700 SPS Vrmt, .308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: UtahJarhead</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: winxp_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^^ Piggy bank jar for a HS take off stock that sell here for about 200 + or - a few. </div></div>
I might get flamed for this bit, but HS is off limits for me over the Teflon Lon fiasco. I'm sorry if some have a problem with that, but I'm just standing up for what I believe.
</div></div>

I believe that anyone is entitled to there own believes. No worries here
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Re: New poster, new rifle. Rem700 SPS Vrmt, .308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">complete your profile please</div></div>
Done, sorry.

I know that crap in = crap out, but budgets are louder than desires.
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Besides, I can buy up later and sell the poorer quality one with only a small loss.