Rifle Scopes New Razor????
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Where did you find this image?
Very very keen to find out more!
Very very keen to find out more!
Looks like possibly toolless reset on turrets possibly?
Im in for one.
Im in for one.
Going through the images taken today at the AG Cup at K&M range this weekend. Looks like several shooters are testing them.
Looks like an updated version of the L Tec turret system.
You can see set screws in the turret.
Seems odd that all the pictures show it with caps removed (if it is indeed an L Tec setup).
If they've dropped the weight and kept a good FOV I'm definitely in too.
A 3-18x50 that doesn't weight 46oz is just what I need!
I’m looking forward to the release. I hope the production model takes up some of the dead space on the turret for larger numbers
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Gen ii Razors ought to drop in price then also
How much lower can they go?
Something tells me this thing weighs about 394,749,105 pounds...
The "inner" knobs are 1/100mil clicks. Takes the place of the "infinite adjust" thing the Gen2 has. Guess that'll sorta address the lack of tool-less zero. If you're off a couple or few tenths, you can just pull the cap and clicky-clicky to adjust.
Brand new reticle too, of course.
Glass is reported to be a contender with the top end stuff. We hear that with every new scope, though.
This is all I know.
If the glass is on par with ZCO and TT, the price will be 4500+
But the Athlon Cronus is and it's only $1200!
That turret bowl is asking to collect water, then freezing in our Wisconsin unpredictable weather. I hope there's a turret cover.
Interesting.
I actually hope they keep them heavy like the HDG2’s… since most will just have to make up the difference with another set of weights, and doubt anyone is planning on throwing these on their lightweight hunting rig.
I actually hope they keep them heavy like the HDG2’s… since most will just have to make up the difference with another set of weights, and doubt anyone is planning on throwing these on their lightweight hunting rig.
100% disagree, its easy to add weight to a rifle but difficult to remove it.
One of the reasons you don't see many people using the 3-18 razor is that it weighs virtually the same as the 4.5-27 and is barely any more compact, giving no reason to actually buy it.
If they do a 5-35 ish model and a 3-21ish model I'll be most displeased if they both weigh over 40oz.
Mostly because I'll need to keep waiting for the illuminated Burris XTR3 wwhich at this stage seems like an elaborate troll.
I love how heavy the current G2 is. If it's lighter that's fine by me because that means I can put more weight lower for a lower overall CG.
Doesn't seem like it's stopped people from adopting Tangent Thetas at all.
Do you own a TT? The TT's have a cover that has 2 D-shaped imprecisions. Those D-shaped impressions can hold water but it doesn't affect anything....
IDK, guess it depends on what stock/chassis one runs… I run a Manners TCS with the steel rail and all the weights it’ll take, so not so easy for me. I know a few of the other chassis’ out there make it easier to add more weight, but I don’t want any of those.
Besides, I can’t remember the last time someone wanted to make their PRS-style rig lighter… probably because it’s never happened.
The close-up photo of the inner knobs say 1 CLICK = 0.1 MRAD, so it wouldn't be 1/100 clicks.
My assumption from looking at pics and not seeing one in person. It looks like there is one large set screw on each turret (above 1.0 mil elevation, and above 1.0R on the windage, to better allow a RH shooter to see the set screw). Loosen the one set screw, and you'll then be able to "click" adjust your zero with the inner knob in 0.1 MRAD increments without a tool. Whereas the Gen2 you needed to fiddle with a screwdriver and the floating infinite adjust dial, after loosening the 3 tiny set screws.
I'm skeptical of a new reticle, I think personally the EBR-7C is way too busy compared to the old 2C I've been shooting for 5 years.
The new XLR-2 reticle that is on the Razor LHT looks like a cleaned up, more simple version of the 7c. I hope they use it for the Razor Gen 3.
Thanks for sharing that, I just looked that reticle up and it looks VERY nice compared to the 7C. I would definitely be good with the XLR-2 going forward.
If it is in the $3,000 range, i will probably go with a Zcomp
Razor Gen2 was $2500 street price when it came out, I’d be surprised if this wasn’t approaching the $3,000 mark being that it’s like 6 years later.
With the scopes weighing 46+ oz it basically means they are only good for PRS or other disciplines where heavy rifles are a must.
For NRL hunter, hunting or a cross over rifle 46oz for the 3-18 means it's not even on my radar.
I can see keeping the higher magnification scopes heavy but not the 3-18. The ZCO 4-20 and SB 3-20/5-20 all weigh less than 35oz so it's definitely an outlier.
You could argue that Vortex makes the LHT 4.5-22 for the above uses, but the narrow FOV, 6mil turrets and 4.5x low end puts it in a niche long range super light scope IMO.
Could also argue to get a Mark 5 (or something else) for the above use cases but all the other options have major issues (low fov, crap reticles, optical abnormalities) the Razor 3-18 fits the bill perfectly other than the weight.
Everytime someone brings up the weight issue it gets shot down as being a non issue due to the PRS use case but in the same vein virtually no one talks about the 3-18 because it doesn't really have a market.
Rob will be here shortly to tell me he uses the 3-18 for PRS, or someone else will but they are in the vast minority.
TLDR;
4.5-27: Heavy weight = Good
3-18: Heavy weight = Bad
Yes, Vortex lowered the weight on the Gen2e 1-6 and kept a lower weight for the Gen3 1-10.
It's entirely possible just depends if it's a priority for them.
I don’t think PRS optics being heavy is a good thing, it shifts the center of gravity rearward which then requires either a mega thick barrel or add-on steel weights to properly balance the rifle on a bag.
Hmmm seems to balance fine on an 18” Kukri. Lol
Lots of assumptions and guessing in this thread. Will be interesting to see what happens when it hits the market.
Now put that 18” barreled action in an AX chassis which has a 3+ pound buttstock assembly and let me know how it balances.
Well now you are being specific and talking about a chassis not often used in matches to make a point. That’s a PRS2 stock that is used quite a bit in matches. Problem is people have come to think rifles have to balance on a needle point exactly .634” in front of the mag well to shoot good. Truth is they don’t.
And to your example a 26” M24 would probably balance just fine in that AI. Not overly long or heavy.
Also to add, everyone’s getting worked up about something and making assumptions from a couple pics. It’s not Bigfoot. Wait until you see the specs and one in person before running it into the ground. 
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