New Ruger AR-15...

[500grains]

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I think it's good for everyone to get into the AR15 game, as it makes a ban less and less possible.

Next on board: WINCHESTER! I hope they get their act together quick, because the demand for bolt action deer hunting rifles seems to be receding quickly.

 

[Yorman]

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I could get behind a Winchester AR rifle.

I wonder how that claw extractor would run with a fun switch?

 

[Jason280]

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Personally, I have never gotten hung up on the politics of Bill Ruger. Fact is, the man has offered some great guns over the years, and Ruger provides some of the best customer service in the business. I own more than a dozen of his revolvers, a few of his tang safety 77's, and more than a few .22 rifles and pistols. The guy knew how to build a rifle for the working man, and has a huge following in the shooting world.

I do find it interesting they would enter the AR market, but it seems like they have their stuff together on this gun. It isn't a straight DI gun, so stop comparing it with a $1k Rock River. Its a piston driven gun with a rail, and anyone who's built an AR knows they are not cheap to put together. Will I be buying one? Unlikely, as I have enough AR's as it is. But the fact is, Ruger is has entered the market, and it appears they are offering a good product. If you have a problem with what happened with Ruger in the past, simply don't buy one. Me, I'm going to keep buying tang safety 77's with round top receivers and 3-screw revolvers...

 

[Queequeg]

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Thanks for reminding me of a moron I know who could have bought a slightly used XCR last February ('08') for $650.00 clams. That moron passed on it and when I, er ah, he, went back to look at it again, it was gone...

 

[Bob Shaver]

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Something must be wrong with the picture, it doesn't have a 5 round mag...

 

[jwr1076]

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own several rugers never had a problem with them .i do find it interesting how bad the old man was, but he was the only gun maker in my short lifetime [32years] that published the price of his guns , guess he was a jerk not letting gun shops screw us over

 

[RollerCam]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">"Ruger provides some of the best customer service in the business."</span></div></div>
And they provide it <span style="font-style: italic">quite often</span>, too.

Five out of my last six Rugers needed it.

 

[gregsjt]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for reminding me of a moron I know who could have bought a slightly used XCR last February ('08') for $650.00 clams. That moron passed on it and when I, er ah, he, went back to look at it again, it was gone... </div></div>

That sucks, that is one hell of deal. It's too bad more people don't know anything about the XCR's. I think the design is far superior to all of these AR's with piston kits added on. Plus, when you look at what you get for the price, it's a very economical package.

 

[marku]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> It isn't a straight DI gun, so stop comparing it with a $1k Rock River. Its a piston driven gun with a rail, and anyone who's built an AR knows they are not cheap to put together.</div></div>

Jason280,

I do think theres good to the piston drive system. But to me someone that cleans there guns almost everytime I get back from the range Ive never had a problem with my AR NOT functioning because it was too dirty. AR's today are so refined I wouldnt want to change anything about them yet because most are very accurate for the purpose built. To me, why change something that works so well? And have to spend 900.00 more dollars to do so?? Im not saying ones better than another but price gonna play a big role in trying to sell one of those.

 

[BiggerStick47]

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Bill is gone, and what better way for the current company to reject his views than to produce an AR variant. That is better than an apology any day.

 

[marku]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bill is gone, and what better way for the current company to reject his views than to produce an AR variant. That is better than an apology any day.</div></div>

Well said.

Timing is a little off. I would have appreciated it a bit better if it was a year or so ago before everyone got crazy ordering AR type rifles up. Are they just trying to jump on the banwagon to make fast money?

 

[Starvin]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: marku</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bill is gone, and what better way for the current company to reject his views than to produce an AR variant. That is better than an apology any day.</div></div>

Well said.

Timing is a little off. I would have appreciated it a bit better if it was a year or so ago before everyone got crazy ordering AR type rifles up. Are they just trying to jump on the banwagon to make fast money? </div></div>

I'm with marku. I've been a staunch hater of Ruger up untill now but if they're making an evil AR-15 with all the goodies then they're obviously going in a new direction. Maybe now I'll finally get around to buying that 10/22.

While it may be some bandwagoning I really don't think it was a fast buck move on Rugers part. They've made some impressive evolutionary changes to the piston driven AR and it would seem are putting some very quality components into it. If Ruger was looking to milk the cow they would have just built another "me too" AR along the same lines as S&W.

About the only thing I don't care much for on this rifle is the twist rate. For my purposes 1:7 would be a bit more usefull but, as much as the internet types like to rant, 1:9 is still a more practical twist for 99% of all AR owners.

 

[Jason280]

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Question is, what is the real world price going to be? Suggested retail is $1995, which will probably equate to a street price of around $1500-1600. That's a lot of rifle for the money, especially with current AR prices. It has an adjustable gas tube, which can be completely closed for supppressor use, front and rear Troy sights (easily $150-200), and 3x PMags ($50). That doesn't even include the Troy rail system. If they can actually get this gun down to $1500, it will be a hell of a bargain. In fact, if they can build this gun for $1500 with a true side folding stock, I'll buy one as soon as they hit the shelves.

Now, I am not going to get into the argument of DI vs piston driven guns. I have owned at least 10-15 AR's over the years, and I have never had any problems with the gas system. Of course, I have also owned Ak's, Daewoo DR-200's, and other piston driven guns and I really like the idea of an easily adjustable gas system.

Ruger, get rid of the regular collapsible stock, and build an ACE style folder and these things will sell like hotcakes!

 

[RollingThunder51]

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My time with Bill Ruger....

As a young man I participated in a buy of the 180 series FA AC556 rifles being auctioned from the State Police. They were the early variant with the early fine workmanship, superb wood, 3 round burst (in the robust early receiver). Living and working in the Armory State, I new the boys and had spent quite a bit of time kicking around Ruger. This was way before the new NH castings facility. I brought my rifle back to the then gun shop essentially attached to the Ruger Headquarters (right around the corner) to have it sent back to Ruger to be rebarreled. Why? Well, because I knew at that young age that a perfect FA gen 1 ruger would be worth big change and I wanted mine perfect. Paperwork? Check! All systems go and back it went to the Ruger plant for its barrel.

Phone Rings...

<span style="font-weight: bold">This is Bill Ruger, looking for Mr. RT</span>

Yes, Mr. Ruger, how can I help you?

<span style="font-weight: bold">Can you come down to my office and see me please?</span>

Sure, Mr. Ruger.

Down I went to see Bill in all his glory, sitting behind his desk in his Corporate Office.

<span style="font-weight: bold">RT, did you buy an AC and then send your AC back to me for a new barrel?</span>

Yes I did, Mr. Ruger.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Well, RT, Im not happy about that, you see we dont sell our FA rifles to private citizens, just active police and government. I can think of no good reason why anyone would need a rifle like that.</span>

Mr. Ruger, I was surprised to see it come up for sale.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Well, selling it was a mistake if you ask me. What did you pay for it?</span>

$450 + $200 + whaterever your going to charge me for a new barrel, Mr. Ruger, and I was happy to pay for it.

<span style="font-weight: bold">RT, you look like you've made quite a purchase. How would you like to make a pretty penny on your purchase and sell it back to me for $1,000? Right here, right now? I would consider it a personal favor if you did. You could buy a couple of good rifles for that.</span>

So...there I was, in front of Bill Ruger, surrounded by all his firearms and memorabilia and he was doing his best scowling TR routine.

Mr. Ruger, I am speechless, that very kind of you and I would like to sell it, yes I would. But I would not be able to sell it for $1,000.

<span style="font-weight: bold">What would be your price then?</span>

Whatever they are selling for in twenty years.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Well, what would you say if I told you I'm not going to replace your barrel?</span>

Mr. Ruger, I wouldn't have much to say about that at all. But I would like to be able to say that your rifles shoot as well as they are designed and that your service is better than Colt up the road.

Bill literally laughed out loud and then said <span style="font-weight: bold">"that is what I would have said. If you come to sell it in 20 years you are to start by asking me to buy it first"</span> and smiled waiving the back of his hand at me. It was time to go.

I got my AC back with a new barrel at no charge.

He is gone, the rifle remains...and its worth more than $1,000. Heck, his sons are selling ARs for over $2gs.

 

[Strangedays]

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Its about time some people with brains started commenting about what a good price it is then offering some uneducated comment about over price BS. I will never buy it but not a bad price for al the goodies.

 

[RollingThunder51]

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You might be waiting a while..all the people with brains I know have been around long enough to have built, mended, bought and traded enough AR15s to know that this late entry is about 25% over priced by the idiotic measures of today.

These are indeed "strangedays", the kind where AR15s cost twice what full house FNLARs did just a decade ago and people think they are getting a deal. Hint, people routinely bought AR15s in 1983 for under $400. Heads up, you've got about 35% Obama tax on your ars these days.

Before somebody goes about whinning about a new piston gas system, here is a hint...you don't need one to make these run like a bandit all day long on full auto. More train rails than a Lionel Train set and a plastic slap stock is the kind of goof that empties wallets and gets spit out like popcorn in the back rooms of every shop these days. Days like these, if Ruger had found a way to put "custom Paint" on their AR15s they could have added another $350-$500 to the gathering crowds, but its Ruger....it took them 20 years to copy a Glock.

 

[glock24]

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I'd still like to know if the receivers are investment cast . . .

 

[Kells81]

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When/if i ever make it home out of Kuwait here I will give ya'll some good pics of one. I was looking at buying another XCR when I ran accross a ruger on GB, thought it must be a mistake so looked at the auction and I'll be damned a ruger AR. soo called a couple local shops at home and there was one within 50 miles. Sent momma to fetch it up. My flight was cancelled the 23rd, hopefully will be home the 25th. BTW ruger has or had MAP pricing, not sure anymore since it has a MSRP of $1999, OTD on mine was $1550 which is less than the XCR was going to cost me.