Re: New thermal mirage covers from Armageddon Gear
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We wish you continued success; you make some very good products.</div></div>
Thank you, I appreciate that, we work hard to hear that from our customers.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would like an opportunity to put this in perspective.
When we first started to do business together, you only made the SAS1 and SAS2. The SAS3 was a direct result of suggestions I sent you in an email in April 2008. We greatly appreciate that you made the SAS3 model as a result, because it is a better cover for most of our customers' needs than the SAS1/SAS2 were.</div></div>
Perspective is a good thing.
I'm sorry I didn't go back and research the original emails, I stand corrected when I said we've been making the TAB GEAR SAS3 cover for a couple of years, it's been four years and seven months according to your dates.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But if we go back in time even further, the SAS1 is virtually identical to the old JET thermal covers (which I don't think were made by you - if I am mistaken I apologize.)</div></div>
The TAB GEAR SAS1 is similar to the Jet cover, however, you may have forgotten, or didn't know, that the Jet cover was designed by Jason Baney. The same Jason Baney that runs the "Smack the Smiley" match here. Jason had come up with the design and had approached Jet about testing his prototype out, Jet being one of the major players in the Titanium suppressor market at the time. Jet began selling Jason's design as their own. In plain language, Jet stole Jason's design and began selling it as their own. I'm sure Frank remembers this time frame since we were threatened with law suits by Jet.
I had been approached about making a suppressor cover at that time, this was all about six years ago. I had heard that Jason was making a suppressor cover so I called him to see where he was with it. That is when I learned about Jet. Jason didn't have a patent to his design so I could have just said thanks for your time and made the covers anyway and have been completely legal. My moral code and always trying to treat people as I want to be treated wouldn't let me do that though. so I suggested that instead of designing a cover on my own that I make his cover and pay him royalties on each on sold, which we did. I even paid Jason the royalties on the SAS2 I designed as well. I eventually bought Jason out before the SAS3 came about.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thermal covers are not rocket science and once the general idea is grasped, much of it comes down to small details and execution. </div></div>
You're exactly correct about that. That is why I was shocked to see you selling another companies products instead of ours, especially after it was your input that prompted us to build the SAS3. There can be no doubt in your mind that what you are selling now is the TAB GEAR SAS3 cover with some webbing sewn to the sides.
If you were experiencing issues with our cover we would have loved to have heard some feedback from you on how to make the product better. We beg our customers to let us know how our products are working in the field and are always open to suggestions on how to make our existing products work better.
In the over four and a half years that we've been making the TAB GEAR SAS3 cover I've only heard of two customer who were not happy with the performance of their cover. We worked with both of those customers until they were happy and at not cost at all to them.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My goal in this thread has been to highlight a new product that we think is good, while not calling any other competing products out for their pitfalls. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We've tried a host of different mirage covers to prevent this problem, and many of them have been lacking. Until now.</div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The chance of one getting launched downrange is very small (yes, we've seen that happen a half dozen times).</div></div>
Who are the major manufacturers of suppressor covers right now Zak? Elite Iron, and TAB GEAR. You've already discounted the question of it being similar to the Elite Iron cover, while completely ignoring the question about how they compare to TAB GEAR. So, everyone who is reading this thread knows that only leaves us when you talk about covers being launched downrange and lacking in mirage mitigation as you do on your website, especially since you used to carry our products, and now you don't. I have yet to see one of our covers launched down range when installed correctly, and I'll put our cover up against anyone in the mirage mitigation claim as well.
Please don't mistake my comments as trying to talk you into going back to our products, I'm not. It's good to be in America and you can do whatever you want to do. I'm just laying it out here since you used to carry our products and are now introducing another company as making a better product, as an explanation of what I see as another company copying our products, and you know they are too.
There's no need for you or anyone else to bring up the line about, I should have patented them if I were worried about someone copying them, or about capitalism, and that's how America works, or I should feel complimented about the lame line of imitation being the sincerest form of flattery. I get all that, but it boils down to Armageddon Gear copying our product.
I'll be at SHOT at the Rifles Only booth should you want to come talk about anything.
