New to LR/ELR Target Shooting - ADVICE for newbie?

AZ SCORPIO

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So - what advice do you want to give a newbie across the board? - anything topic is open, except heartbearts making a crosshair bounce...read that thread... ;) Cracked up the whole time...

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If you are brand new I would suggest a .308. Mild recoil and fairly cheap to shoot. Get the best scope you can afford that has repeatable clicks. It is far better to save up and get quality used equipment. If you are serious you will have to get serious equipment sooner or later. Shoot between 500 and 700 yards. Learn basic ballistics and get a solid ballistic drop sheet. Be sure to get your bullet speed by hook or crook. Shoot from the bench until you have good results then switch to prone to determine your reality. In the beginning shoot in good conditions. Once you have the basics then shoot in worst conditions. Keep a good record of your shots. You will know when to step up in equipment. Plan to shoot no less than 500 rounds the first year. If you have any problems ask a knowledgeable person for help. Try to avoid caustic people they can only discourage you. You will be surprised at your progress if you just keep shooting. Good luck.
 
Go take a course and learn to shoot properly to start.

Some courses will even supply a rifle.

You can make much better decisions about what works for YOU, once you start doing it.
 
Take up crocheting!! It's a lot cheaper and I hear yarn is still available. Plus, the needles are good for thousands and thousands of yards without wearing out.
 
But even that can get expensive. Special needles, different yarns, carpal tunnel issues. :)

I have yet to find a cheap hobby. Or at least one that I am happy staying at the cheap end of the spectrum.

But you want to REALLY brun money, try racing cars or sailboats. Makes custom rifles look CHEAP.
 
Humor aside; honestly, your timing is not at its best. The winds of change are upon us; so much so that no matter which direction we choose, we are all pissing into some stiff winds.

Much of what you'll need is largely unobtainable, and the ban-o-maniacs are going absolutely berserk in their efforts to thwart the honest gun owner's every move. We are at a philosophical extreme that pushes to well beyond the point of shove and begs something significantly beyond rhetoric to resolve in an equitable manner. Consider the very real possibility that you are contemplating boarding a sinking ship.

Look around and ask yourself what's the bottom line. As a beginner, does advancing beyond the basic minimums make sense at such times as these?

I'd suggest a .22LR trainer, but .22LR ammo is largely Unobtanium for the foreseeable future. In its place, I'd be seriously looking at an adequate .177 rifled barrel trainer air rifle.

Centerfire is expensive. I'd be seeking something that has ammunition available. Oddly, I can find considerable stocks of .223, and I suspect you will find the same where you are. Bigger than .223 is neither necessary nor more easily available.

Beginners don't need advanced rifles, and usually can't be persuaded that this is so. They do so at their own considerable expense in time, money, and ultimately, frustration.

You will wear out a basic rifle and learn every bit as much as you would had you gone with advanced gear. Why this is so is very simple; one becomes an accomplished shooter by building and reinforcing the accuracy basics. Techniques and mechanical advancements are not for the newb, they literally haven't a clue about how to take their advantage. When advanced shooters hit walls and plateaus, they recover their momentum by going back to the basics. This should be your stomping ground for the foreseeable future.

Expensive beginner equipment is a drawback, because it eats up resources that would more effectively be spent on ammunition. To learn to shoot, one must shoot; that part is unavoidable. The more, the better, no catch here. Your byword has to be "adequate", and not "elegant". Elegant comes later, much later. Gear needs to be adequate, not cheap, not extravagant. Don't be a bottom feeder, and don't be someone who needs supplemental oxygen up there at the levels they prefer to do their shopping.

Review the case of Goldilocks and her three new ursine friends.

Beyond this, remember to keep asking yourself whether what you want is really something you actually need. After several decades of shooting I still make this my buying mantra. Every time you get that one wrong, you are making the process more expensive and more complicated. Now is no time for "complicated".

Simpler is better. I once wore the uniform of the Marines. The mental processes they endowed me with are still rattling around in my brain housing group. One of the most effective ones was the concept that if I couldn't express something in no more than five sentences, I really needed to think it out more effectively. If, as an NCO, I had to distract my brethren from the oncoming horde for longer than it took to express a concept in five sentences or less, all I was accomplishing was the creation of a large stationary target.

Let simplicity be your goal. Let efficiency be your buy-word. K.I.S.S. is not an acronym, it's a winning philosophy.

Long range shooting is not about distances, it is about mastering environmental effects in their more emphatic manifestations. One can achieve this without the distance by shrinking down the overall scale of the exercise. An air rifle at 50yd in a moderately variable wind is a lot more like a .308 at 1000yd than a .223 at 100yd. Capiche?

Greg
 
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"Humor aside; honestly, your timing is not at its best. The winds of change are upon us; so much so that no matter which direction we choose, we are all pissing into some stiff winds.

Much of what you'll need is largely unobtainable, and the ban-o-maniacs are going absolutely berserk in their efforts to thwart the honest gun owner's every move. We are at a philosophical extreme that pushes to well beyond the point of shove and begs something significantly beyond rhetoric to resolve in an equitable manner. Consider the very real possibility that you are contemplating boarding a sinking ship.

Look around and ask yourself what's the bottom line. As a beginner, does advancing beyond the basic minimums make sense at such times as these?"


Moving out of New York would improve your outlook! :D
 
Yes, I agree with that, and I probably will. But that move will be tempered by the fact that we've just finished investing over $40K in home improvements over the past two years, and the market for real estate around here isn't likely to make those investments anything but a loss if I just bolt and run. Nobody can easily afford to throw away forty large. I refuse to let the ban-o-maniacs exact such a toll.

Besides, I'm not all that quick to throw in any towels right now; we have a 'bunctious Governor to be put back into his place at the moment, before he can parlay this current crop of outrages into a credible run for the Presidency. He's a bad 'un, this Mr. Grinch...

As New York goes, soon so goes the rest of the Nation. Right now it's my job and my fellows' to turn this ruinous trend around, and make New York the state that leads America back to its long standing love affair with freedom and the Second Amendment.

I'm just letting a newb in on the fact that things go uphill from here.

Greg
 
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1 Check out and memorize the " Fundamentals of Marksmanship" sticky ( located in the Advanced Marksmanship Section)
2 Check out The " Intro to LR shooting " sticky, located in the Bolt action section
3 Invest in a good quality Rimfire rifle/scope set up. ( taking your budget into account)
4 Practice...Practice....Practice!!

When you get good at 50 yds, move to 100. At 200 yd, you will see any flaws in your fundamentals.

Good luck! and keep shooting!!!
 
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If you never snapped in, you'll never see your heart beat bouncing the scope around. So, if you don't know what snapping in is, don't worry about it.
 
The gunshow this weekend in Topeka marks my one year anniversary of shooting scoped rifles. I'd fired about 3,000 rounds with iron sights over the years, including military time, but never with a scope until I got a cheap AIM Sports 3x9 at the Topeka (KS) show last year.
I have:

Mossberg .22LR
Sig 7.62 NATO
Savage .338LM

I've fired about 1200 rounds over the past 12 months through the .22LR and maybe 200 rds of the 7.62 and 80 rds of the .338LM. Learning to shoot with a scope is not a trival task, there are lots of variables mostly due to the extra range you try to get to. With iron sights and 5.56, I never tried more than 300 meters, but with the .22LR I've gone out to 325yds. The .22LR is a good "simulator" for shooting heavier rifles farther and I'm using it as much as I can.
That being said, the hardest ammo to find now is .22LR so one of the original ideas, "it is cheap and plentiful" isn't panning out. I shoot Federal AM22 (40gr, 1200fps) and it was running 31 cents a round on gunbot this week. I've never paid more than 14 cents a round and now probably will not pay more than 9 cents a round. I do not want to "feed the gougers". So I haven't been able to shoot .22LR for six weeks. I have 500 rounds, but I want to replace them before I shoot them.
One of my major milestones in the past year was getting to the point where I actually knew how to use my scopes and I could calculate elevation and windage and see the rounds go where they were supposed to.
I've used a combination of friends and AOTPR as training aids as well as "the internet" including this fine forum to help.
I try to plan out each visit to the field (I mostly shoot on my own land) and only take the equipment and ammo I need for that plan. Recently I've also added time limits.
Learning to shoot can be a lot of fun, but if I was trying to learn with the .338LM at 3 bucks a round I would be out of business. Even learning with 7.62 at 1 dollar around is not financially feasible for me. So the .22LR has been my best option for the past year.
if I really can't get .22LR then I'd opt for pellet gun. I would probably not be able to get beyond 250yds and maybe not beyond 200yds but elevation is elevation and windage is windage.
I have been shooting a bit of DM18A1B1 german plastic training ammo in 7.62 ... I haven't gone beyond 150yds with in. In terms of elevation it is manageable but if there is any wind, the 10gr projectile is flying side ways at a phenominal rate.
But I was fortunate in that I read the forums early enough to avoid at least the focus on shooting the big stuff first. But I have them. And now I am transitioning my .22LR experience out to 325yds to my 7.62 rifle and trying to get out to 600yds, which is as far as I can go on my land. Once I get the 7.62 out there I'll do the same with the .338LM and then off to Rebel Ridge in Western KS where we can go to 1K and eventually even out to 2K.
Persistence will help you and learning from each round will also help. Analyze the hecque out of your misses and realize that some of your hits are actually lucky mistakes.