im just getting into shooting and im looking for a gun and pretty much a full set up and looking for somthing that would also work well with hunting and on the range at a 1000.. and would like to stay under a grand any recomendations would be great
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Rifle Scopes new to scopes need advise..
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Re: new to scopes need advise..
If you whole budget is for a grand I would get a used savage FP-10 with a cheap 20moa base, burris XTR rings and a Falcon 4-14x scope. That would be a great setup to start with and as you could upgrade you would also be able to sell them and get your money back out of them.
If you whole budget is for a grand I would get a used savage FP-10 with a cheap 20moa base, burris XTR rings and a Falcon 4-14x scope. That would be a great setup to start with and as you could upgrade you would also be able to sell them and get your money back out of them.
Re: new to scopes need advise..
If all you have is a grand then you need a different hobby. I don't mean to sound shitty by saying that but you will soon find out that $1000 goes really quick and then you realize that you need more and more stuff.
If all you have is a grand then you need a different hobby. I don't mean to sound shitty by saying that but you will soon find out that $1000 goes really quick and then you realize that you need more and more stuff.
Re: new to scopes need advise..
its not that i dont have the money to spend on what i need i was just looking for somthing that would work well for 95% hunting.. i will build a gun for comp later..
its not that i dont have the money to spend on what i need i was just looking for somthing that would work well for 95% hunting.. i will build a gun for comp later..
Re: new to scopes need advise..
white tail, coyo, elk, p.dog and there is no telling what else but most places i hunt i can be making a 300-1000 yard shot
white tail, coyo, elk, p.dog and there is no telling what else but most places i hunt i can be making a 300-1000 yard shot
Re: new to scopes need advise..
Assembling a rifle/scope combo for a grand that will shoot acceptably well and take big big game from 100 to 300 yards is not easy, but it's doable.
Having a rig built that will be durable, sufficiently accurate from 300 to 1000, and able to take big game ethically at those distances is not only significantly harder but also much more expensive.
And even with an expensive custom magnum rifle and precision ammunition capable of performance on game at long range, the shooter's ability with the fundamentals and experience managing a rifle with that kind of recoil will be key to his success.
Get a .308. Get good with it. Punch paper at 100, then 200, then 300. Hunt deer with it to 400 or so. Hunt prairie dogs with it to 1000.
I think you will find that there's a big difference between shooting at 100 and shooting at 300; that there's a bigger difference between 300 and 600; that in the wind 700 is another world; that, wind or not, 800 is a different planet; that the difference between 800 and 900 will feel greater than the distance between 300 and 600; and that the solar system ends at 900. When you can shoot your .308 well at 900 go to 1000, and spend some time there.
I'm not saying that what you want to do can't be done: you could always buy a used .375 Chey Tac single shot and have at it. With the money you save you could then get a Hayabusa, jump on it and twist the throttle. But if you do that you won't like either one, you will get frustrated, you'll quit, and you'll think it was the fault of the equipment.
Deciding what to buy is easy because it's not a character issue: If you want to own a cool conversation piece get one of them thousand-yard sniper rifles. I have seen many of those. They're badass. They can take game to a thousand yards. I see from another thread that even the Russians are building them now, using top secret R&D according the report. But you can't cheat the laws of nature: how well you learn to use your rifle will determine your level of satisfaction with it.
Assembling a rifle/scope combo for a grand that will shoot acceptably well and take big big game from 100 to 300 yards is not easy, but it's doable.
Having a rig built that will be durable, sufficiently accurate from 300 to 1000, and able to take big game ethically at those distances is not only significantly harder but also much more expensive.
And even with an expensive custom magnum rifle and precision ammunition capable of performance on game at long range, the shooter's ability with the fundamentals and experience managing a rifle with that kind of recoil will be key to his success.
Get a .308. Get good with it. Punch paper at 100, then 200, then 300. Hunt deer with it to 400 or so. Hunt prairie dogs with it to 1000.
I think you will find that there's a big difference between shooting at 100 and shooting at 300; that there's a bigger difference between 300 and 600; that in the wind 700 is another world; that, wind or not, 800 is a different planet; that the difference between 800 and 900 will feel greater than the distance between 300 and 600; and that the solar system ends at 900. When you can shoot your .308 well at 900 go to 1000, and spend some time there.
I'm not saying that what you want to do can't be done: you could always buy a used .375 Chey Tac single shot and have at it. With the money you save you could then get a Hayabusa, jump on it and twist the throttle. But if you do that you won't like either one, you will get frustrated, you'll quit, and you'll think it was the fault of the equipment.
Deciding what to buy is easy because it's not a character issue: If you want to own a cool conversation piece get one of them thousand-yard sniper rifles. I have seen many of those. They're badass. They can take game to a thousand yards. I see from another thread that even the Russians are building them now, using top secret R&D according the report. But you can't cheat the laws of nature: how well you learn to use your rifle will determine your level of satisfaction with it.
Re: new to scopes need advise..
What type of rifle are you mounting this scope on? In some ways it doesn't matter because you can basically outfit whatever scope to your needs using the right mount/rings/turrets to fit the situation. For under a grand you could find a deal on a Leupold Mark 4 fixed power without an illuminated reticle. I'd say look for one at a fixed 10 power or a 3.5-10 power. You might be able to find one at around $900.
The misconception that you can't get a good rifle for less than a top-of-the-line budget is bullshit. When I was teaching sniper courses in Afghanistan we were trying to make a 1000 yard accurate shit-quality rifle and we worked with Mosin-Nagants and SVD's. We found reproduction eastern bloc scopes from a company in SC and had them shipped out. The platforms we're around $600 USD total and that's the prices of getting the optics and the guns stateside. We could hold around 2 Min accuracy out to 1000 yards with the 7.62x54R rifles. Pretty good for something that nowhere near compares to our M40A3's. Anyways, look for a good optic. Leupold or even Nikon Monarch X (Formerly Nikon Tactical) would work. Other Nikon's are shit but the Monarch X scopes are actually damn good. Get good rings, Badger, DD Ross, Leupold or even throw levers such as ARMS or Larue. From there you need to research the use of the optic and how to convert your data into Minute inputs to the scope. Not coming from a military sniper community this is going to be either the hardest part to learn, or the easiest if you find good sources. Hope this post helped.
What type of rifle are you mounting this scope on? In some ways it doesn't matter because you can basically outfit whatever scope to your needs using the right mount/rings/turrets to fit the situation. For under a grand you could find a deal on a Leupold Mark 4 fixed power without an illuminated reticle. I'd say look for one at a fixed 10 power or a 3.5-10 power. You might be able to find one at around $900.
The misconception that you can't get a good rifle for less than a top-of-the-line budget is bullshit. When I was teaching sniper courses in Afghanistan we were trying to make a 1000 yard accurate shit-quality rifle and we worked with Mosin-Nagants and SVD's. We found reproduction eastern bloc scopes from a company in SC and had them shipped out. The platforms we're around $600 USD total and that's the prices of getting the optics and the guns stateside. We could hold around 2 Min accuracy out to 1000 yards with the 7.62x54R rifles. Pretty good for something that nowhere near compares to our M40A3's. Anyways, look for a good optic. Leupold or even Nikon Monarch X (Formerly Nikon Tactical) would work. Other Nikon's are shit but the Monarch X scopes are actually damn good. Get good rings, Badger, DD Ross, Leupold or even throw levers such as ARMS or Larue. From there you need to research the use of the optic and how to convert your data into Minute inputs to the scope. Not coming from a military sniper community this is going to be either the hardest part to learn, or the easiest if you find good sources. Hope this post helped.
