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[91Eunozs]

… bought a brand new Subaru Crosstrek to commute in …

This could be another wildcard if the OP can wait a bit. Rumor has it that Subaru is going to revive the BRAT and/or Baja in another joint venture with Toyota (Toyota owns a large chunk of Subaru).

The noise I’m hearing is that it’ll be based on the Crosstrek platform…and that’s a good thing in my book.

If true, it’ll almost certainly have a Toyota drivetrain though; likely a hybrid to compete with the Ford Maverick. I’d love to see a turbo boxer motor with Subabru’s AWD system though!

 

[1911hombre]

Wow, I guess I'm the outlier here. GMC owner since 1980. My 2008 went 300K with only a fuel pump replacement. My 2020 Sierra 1500 SLT had a 5.3 with the 10 speed; shifted flawlessly. Zero issues with that truck. Traded it in at 3 years with 100k on it for a 2023 Denali 1500 5.3 w/ the 10 speed. 50k on this one and had to have the sliding rear window replaced due to no power to defogger there. I buy from a dealer that offers lifetime powertrain warranty free of charge. I would never consider the Colorado/ Canyon if only because they look like they were designed by a 7th grade kid on meth. Same for the Rangers. Yuk.

 

[Lightning8]

I would not buy ANY new truck from any manufacturer. There are new vehicles stuck at dealer service areas right now for lack of parts. New 2022-2023 Tundras need engines replaced and no engines available. GM truck transmissions have class action lawsuits. Ford king of recalls. My new 2019 GMC Sierra AT4 6.2 has been sitting at dealer service area for 3 weeks for a fuel pump control module (about $145 part, 30 minutes to swap) that is unavailable nationwide.

If you do buy a new vehicle, get a response in writing from the dealer's general manager "will you give me a loaner or will dealership pay for rental car for weeks/months while waiting on a backordered part"? Note - most warranties/insurance will not compensate you for a rental car while your $50,000 to $100,000 new truck is sitting idle.

 

[FWoo45]

I’m convinced Ford finally fixed the cam phaser issue with the newest revision… Just after the nick of time for my ‘18 that now needs set #4 at 112K miles (warranty expired at 100K). They kept replacing the bad part with the slightly redesigned, but still crap part until 2023 when they finally fixed it.

There was a ton of the old design phasers still in their system though, and more than one Ford tech who I know personally told me Ford was making them use up that old stock first before they could use the new part number. What drives me nuts, is that they also forced them to reuse some of the wear items like the chains and chain guides if it’s a warranty fix.

Without turning this into a Ford cam phaser discussion, short version is that as long as you have the new-version ML3Z (2021+) phasers, you should be gtg.

That king ranch with the ecoboost almost certainly had the old HL3Z (2017-2020) phasers. The new Coyote V8 motors should all have the new phasers…plus a much better cam follower/roller rocker and spring setup, as well as the new metal chain guides (old versions were plastic) that I’m going to put into my V6 ecoboost when it’s rebuilt.

A dealership tech I know told me this exactly.

 

[Bigfatcock]

One of the guys at the shop just bought a Ford Maverick and I am impressed with it!

He still has his 2500 Vhevy (with anGMC bed fitted… we call it. “the Mullet.). So still has work truck.

But got rid of his F150 and got a nice Maverick. It’s not super huge. Was inexpensive and does most truck things fine. Especially commuting.

If I was looking for a general purpose truck ( aka. It plowing and towing) that little Maverick would be high on my list.

Cheers! Sirhr

The Maverick is pretty legit! It’s what the new Ranger should have been.

 

[benchmstr]

Wow, I guess I'm the outlier here. GMC owner since 1980. My 2008 went 300K with only a fuel pump replacement. My 2020 Sierra 1500 SLT had a 5.3 with the 10 speed; shifted flawlessly. Zero issues with that truck. Traded it in at 3 years with 100k on it for a 2023 Denali 1500 5.3 w/ the 10 speed. 50k on this one and had to have the sliding rear window replaced due to no power to defogger there. I buy from a dealer that offers lifetime powertrain warranty free of charge. I would never consider the Colorado/ Canyon if only because they look like they were designed by a 7th grade kid on meth. Same for the Rangers. Yuk.

I had a 2008 Texas edition with the 5.3 that I put over 400, 000 miles on..biggest thing I ever had to replace was a transmission line

 

[nikerret]

Jesus. Reminder when we used to argue which truck could do more real truck work? Now it’s a gamble on how many engines you’ll burn through, in the first 100k.

 

[91Eunozs]

Jesus. Reminder when we used to argue which truck could do more real truck work? Now it’s a gamble on how many engines you’ll burn through, in the first 100k.

Damn…so true!

 

[Lightning8]

I had a 2008 Texas edition with the 5.3 that I put over 400, 000 miles on..biggest thing I ever had to replace was a transmission line

There seems to be a tipping point - 2018 maybe? - after that year model, the trucks become so complicated that they are no longer reliable nor can the manufacturers build a reliable engine and transmission. Would love to see any industry insider, master mechanic, etc. who can point to the specific year where before that trucks ok and after that year trucks are unreliable.

 

[91Eunozs]

There seems to be a tipping point - 2018 maybe? - after that year model, the trucks become so complicated that they are no longer reliable nor can the manufacturers build a reliable engine and transmission. Would love to see any industry insider, master mechanic, etc. who can point to the specific year where before that trucks ok and after that year trucks are unreliable.

It started a long time before that, but that’s about the time the engineers truly lost their way, or maybe just lost the war with the bean counters and VP level asshats who wanted to show max profits in the short-term by cheaping out on parts, and nickel and dimeing every warranty claim so stock prices stayed high, and they got nice fat performance bonuses.

The pendulum’s swinging back the other direction though, so there’s some hope.

I don’t think it’ll ever get back to where we actually had craftsmen building stuff to last a lifetime though.

 

[Rookie]

I recognize that the 5.3 lGeneral motors engine of today is not the 5.3 from the old days but I had a 2002 chevy with 300000 miles that had zero drive train work and I only replaced the fuel pump twice and the alternator once.

 

[myronman3]

no one has anything to say about the 2.7? all the reviews the mechanics have no opinion because they rarely see them. that tells me quite a bit.

 

[steve123]

OT, sorry OP.

Venting

I had a weird thing happen with my 2023 Ford F250 with HO diesel which which I bought used in February with 2300 miles on it. It has 6500 miles on it now. It had run great until...
I went out to start it one morning about 5 weeks ago and it'd turn over but wouldn't start. I had it towed to the dealership. For whatever reason it started for them.

I got it back and then the same problem repeated the next week so I had it towed back again. However it started up once again when it arrived at the dealership. It was there for 2.5 weeks this time because that's how far the backlog was. At least they gave me a loaner F150 this time. They said there was a fuel pressure code but couldn't find the/a problem when investigated?!

I've had it back for 2 weeks and it runs fine but NO I don't trust it. Weird.

 

[benchmstr]

There seems to be a tipping point - 2018 maybe? - after that year model, the trucks become so complicated that they are no longer reliable nor can the manufacturers build a reliable engine and transmission. Would love to see any industry insider, master mechanic, etc. who can point to the specific year where before that trucks ok and after that year trucks are unreliable.

It was 2014 for the chevys..I still have an LBZ with under 30,000 miles (liquid asset) and I have a 2024 duramax that I got earlier this year and I love them..but the gassers is where I’m skeptical.

And I spend a LOT of time on the road and the 2024 Duramax will still be used for that..but with the lift and the 38’s it won’t fit in the parking garage anywhere I go.

I never thought it would be this hard to find a reliable full size daily driver

 

[benchmstr]

no one has anything to say about the 2.7? all the reviews the mechanics have no opinion because they rarely see them. that tells me quite a bit.

That’s why I was looking at the zr2 Colorado! 310 hp, 430ft/tq..the engine is amazing..damn things block is bulletproof.

 

[benchmstr]

OT, sorry OP.

Venting

I had a weird thing happen with my 2023 Ford F250 with HO diesel which which I bought used in February with 2300 miles on it. It has 6500 miles on it now. It had run great until...
I went out to start it one morning about 5 weeks ago and it'd turn over but wouldn't start. I had it towed to the dealership. For whatever reason it started for them.

I got it back and then the same problem repeated the next week so I had it towed back again. However it started up once again when it arrived at the dealership. It was there for 2.5 weeks this time because that's how far the backlog was. At least they gave me a loaner F150 this time. They said there was a fuel pressure code but couldn't find the/a problem when investigated?!

I've had it back for 2 weeks and it runs fine but NO I don't trust it. Weird.

The reason I I have my 2024 duramax is because my 2023 f250 power stroke had the ac compressor, and evaporator shit the bed at 1200 miles..at 12,000 the CP4 took a shit and killed the whole damn engine.

That was the end of that..believe it or not the only ford diesel that has never given me problems has been the several 6.0’s I have owned

 

[Major Wader]

We have 2 Ram pickups.

One is a 2023 Ram 1500 with the 3.0 V6 Diesel, the other is a 2019 Ram 2500. Zero issues with these two, and that's the same as our last 4 Ram/Dodge pickups. 2 Hemi engines, one baby diesel, and 3 Cummins diesels, either 5.9 or 6.7. Over 20 years with this group, no issues, almost a million miles total with the 6 trucks. Cummins diesels all used to tow lots of heavy shit.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

We have 2 Ram pickups.

One is a 2023 Ram 1500 with the 3.0 V6 Diesel, the other is a 2019 Ram 2500. Zero issues with these two, and that's the same as our last 4 Ram/Dodge pickups. 2 Hemi engines, one baby diesel, and 3 Cummins diesels, either 5.9 or 6.7. Over 20 years with this group, no issues, almost a million miles total with the 6 trucks. Cummins diesels all used to tow lots of heavy shit.

This has been my experience as well. Diesel and gas both

 

[Sniperwannabee]

Of your 3; F150 all day, twice on Sunday.

Especially with the Coyote.

My current daily is a 23 crew cab powerboost, so I'm slightly biased. But dig in, you'll find the Ford is a better truck. It's faster too. A lot faster. And the inside doesn't look and feel as though it's made from the plastic that California banned.

5.0 coyotes are ridiculous……f150 are killing everything in the street scene

 

[KYAggie]

My coworker gets a solid 11mpg in his 5.7 tundra, while I get 15mpg in a 3500 crew cab long box.

Good grief, he must be pulling north of 7000# every day to get that bad of mileage with a Tundra. I can’t remember the last time I zeroed out my mpg meter on my ‘17, but it currently reads 14.8 mpg and that’s with a lot of traffic and town driving around Chicago; it gets 17-18 on the highway at 70 mph.

People buy Toyotas because they rarely break, even when they are 20+ years old with 200,000 + miles on them. I agree, they are coasting off their 90’s reputation, and they have dated simple interiors, but they just flat out work without all the issues I’ve heard from Chevy and Ford owners. Oh, I’m sure the new ones are pricey, but I bought my 17’ TRD Offroad Crewmax for $37,400 new with 16 miles on it; a comparable F150 or Chevy would have been a lot more and will be in the junk yard years before this will.

It’s definitely not as fancy as a Ford or Chevy, but that’s ok with me.

 

[chevy_man]

We had a entire fleet of silverados all loose motors at exactly 100

1 or two is an issue. If it's truly every one of the fleet you have bigger issues.


I once had a boss that changed the oil in his 5.4 Triton every 50k. He was confused that it needed an entire valvetrain and ended up buying a long block at 120k miles. (Luckily it started leaking and burning oil, so it was getting "flowing oil changes" to the tune of a few quarts a week.)


We haven't lost one yet. We change the oil and filters regularly, and drive the piss out of them. Did we get lucky or does using mobile 1 full synthetic in the correct grade prevent lifter issues?

 

[chevy_man]

It was 2014 for the chevys..I still have an LBZ with under 30,000 miles (liquid asset) and I have a 2024 duramax that I got earlier this year and I love them..but the gassers is where I’m skeptical.

And I spend a LOT of time on the road and the 2024 Duramax will still be used for that..but with the lift and the 38’s it won’t fit in the parking garage anywhere I go.

I never thought it would be this hard to find a reliable full size daily driver

They said that about electronic ignition and fuel injection.

I would avoid the 07-14 Chevy. They all seem to have wiring issues and the seats fall apart quick.

My 16 still has a perfect interior, damn thing is built as tough as a Ford interior but without the engine failures. (My last Ford spent 3 out of the 5 years of ownership sitting at the dealership, months at a time).

 

[Snipe260]

no one has anything to say about the 2.7? all the reviews the mechanics have no opinion because they rarely see them. that tells me quite a bit.

Here’s my 2.7 turbo. 1 yr old and zero problems thus far. We will see. I was skeptical when I bought it. Pulls all I need it to just fine bbplenty of power for me!

 

[benchmstr]

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Here’s my 2.7 turbo. 1 yr old and zero problems thus far. We will see. I was skeptical when I bought it. Pulls all I need it to just fine bbplenty of power for me!

I’m all about the 2.7…just in a midsize

 

[10ring'r]

I loved my '17 Chev. ZR2 (diesel). Even though, I'm a Ford truck guy. IF I buy another truck, I'd like to try a Dodge RAM. Just because I've never owned a Dodge truck before. I think it's hit or miss with manufactures anymore. All the electronics are made in one or two countries, so there's that. Assembly issues are dependent on what day of the week it rolled off the assembly line. Over the years, quality of anything has went to crap. Mac

 

[nikonNUT]

One of the guys at the shop just bought a Ford Maverick and I am impressed with it!

He still has his 2500 Vhevy (with anGMC bed fitted… we call it. “the Mullet.). So still has work truck.

But got rid of his F150 and got a nice Maverick. It’s not super huge. Was inexpensive and does most truck things fine. Especially commuting.

If I was looking for a general purpose truck ( aka. It plowing and towing) that little Maverick would be high on my list.

Cheers! Sirhr

The Maverick is a neat little trar and it fills a niche but that open deck 2.0 had been causing trouble. Ford has been good to replace blocks but if you miss the warranty window it's expensive! For me? The 5.0 all day. No boost issues to deal with and I watched a video where a 5.0 F-150 long bed got better "gas" mileage than a F-150 lightning.

 

[918v]

Ford and Chevy 10 speeds are the same trans with manufacturer specific programming.


I refuse to buy half tons, cars with a box. Everything is designed to meet fuel economy goals so all the parts are lighter than they should be. Couple that with crappy things like turning cylinders off creating a time bomb in the valve train and I'll just buy a little more gas.


My 2000, 2003, and 2016 Chevy's are all over 250k miles. I also bought HP tuners so I could modify the ECM and TCM. They will shift like I want, and I can change anything I want for future mods (supercharger, turbo, etc.)
The 2016 6l90e finally grenaded the converter at 315k. The same generation 6l80e in the 1500s there's a ton of complaints about the same problem around 100k.

The 00 is the only one that burns oil. 270k miles in a 7000lb truck with a 260hp 5.7..... it's been run wide open for many of those miles. Also the first truck I fully ran out of power towing with. Had to put it in 4-low to get a gooseneck loaded with another truck up a hill.
Ran the shit out of that old 3500 and it's still pulling dump duty.




My coworker gets a solid 11mpg in his 5.7 tundra, while I get 15mpg in a 3500 crew cab long box. I still can't believe people buy Toyota, they are coasting on their 90s reputation.

Your coworker is a retard

 

[Darryle]

The Maverick is a neat little trar and it fills a niche but that open deck 2.0 had been causing trouble. Ford has been good to replace blocks but if you miss the warranty window it's expensive! For me? The 5.0 all day. No boost issues to deal with and I watched a video where a 5.0 F-150 long bed got better "gas" mileage than a F-150 lightning.

My F150 FX4 crewcab is steadily getting 19.9mpg with the 5.0 and the 3.31 gear ratio. Line-X folding hard cover. Mind you, it was a high 17s low 18s before the transmission took a shit, new designed transmission gained me the difference. 110k on the odometer

 

[nikonNUT]

My F150 FX4 crewcab is steadily getting 19.9mpg with the 5.0 and the 3.31 gear ratio. Line-X folding hard cover. Mind you, it was a high 17s low 18s before the transmission took a shit, new designed transmission gained me the difference. 110k on the odometer

Nice! I believe the video I saw was TFL Truck. Here's the results starting at 12:50.

 

[gunjunkie45]

I've been happy with my 2020 Colorado since I bought it new. The back seat is a bit tight for carseats. I did a little shopping around and can recommend Diono seats. They sit a bit more vertical than most others and save some room. They're also like little metal framed racing seats. Way more sturdy than any others we've tried. As to the 2024 version, it's a turbo 4 instead of the V6 I have and can be had on 35 inch tires from the factory.

 

[chevy_man]

Your coworker is a retard

Very true.

However, talking to guys that use them for work, anything over 12 is simply unheard of. Driving up and down the mountain every day.

 

[BCP]

In the market for a new daily driver

I have narrowed it down to the following:

1) Chevy 1500 trailboss
2) ford stx with 5.0 and 4x4
3 Colorado zr2

All would be brand new 2024/2025…I’ve heard nothing but horror stories about the 10 speed automatics in either of the full size trucks..the AFM in both of them is woefully problematic too.

Only real problems I see with the Colorado are the growing pains of the electrical system and sometimes I have to have 2 car seats in the back..which would still fit but be tight..

Anyone have any insight on this..getting burned out doing research..these post covid trucks appear to be shit

I'm in the same boat was gonna trade in my tacoma as a down payment on a raptor but now I'm just shopping for a used older 4runner. Prices are still way too high and a 4runner with 140k on the clock is fine for hauling dogs and guns.

 

[EotS]

Gm 6.6 gas is likely the best truck engine currently made. Yeah, 3/4 ton and up, and I wish it was port inj, but it has zero bullshit installed. No cyl deactivation, no auto stop/start nonsense, no ohc, no turbos, no cam phasers. Basically a bigger 6.0 with Di and a better rotating assy, and stiffer block.

It's the only truck currently produced I see going 250k+ without any drivetrain failures. Likely the Frontier as well as it's drivetrain is proven.

I would say the 7.3 Ford based on simplicity, but from what I understand, they still have cam/lifter deglazing issues even in the 24's.
Ford managed to forget hkw to build pushrod V8s. Plus, Fords in general are having seemingly endless QC issues.

 

[psharon78]

I'm looking at something like this:

Edison Pickup Kit | Edison Motors

www.edisonmotors.ca

Buy a used f250 with a known bad engine and convert it to a diesel electric truck/portable generator. I'm interested in the cost.

 

[benchmstr]

Wow, I guess I'm the outlier here. GMC owner since 1980. My 2008 went 300K with only a fuel pump replacement. My 2020 Sierra 1500 SLT had a 5.3 with the 10 speed; shifted flawlessly. Zero issues with that truck. Traded it in at 3 years with 100k on it for a 2023 Denali 1500 5.3 w/ the 10 speed. 50k on this one and had to have the sliding rear window replaced due to no power to defogger there. I buy from a dealer that offers lifetime powertrain warranty free of charge. I would never consider the Colorado/ Canyon if only because they look like they were designed by a 7th grade kid on meth. Same for the Rangers. Yuk.

Where is this dealer??

 

[1911hombre]

Lifetime Powertrain warranty is a fairly common offering, around Minnesota anyway. Dealer takes a gamble. I've had it on my last three trucks.

 

[jetracer013]

The importance of forscan can’t be overstated. The ability to silence all of the dings and warnings is worth dealing with ford issues. It has completely changed my relationship with my truck.

If anyone has a similar program for a wife, please share.

 

[Forrest84]

Anything after 2015 isn’t worth buying unless it has a full Warenty