don’t distract me with diesel talk. I want to know more about these scopes. So I can decide which one to pull the trigger on. ?
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Rifle Scopes New vortex razor lh 30mm tube?
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Because its true. This is one of those not an opinion things I spoke of. That isn’t the post I was speaking of anyhow. You are quoting something different than what I was referring to. Go figure.
Why do you guys always derail threads and gang up on people? Its petty. This is the third time yall did it to me and i have seen it done many other times to other people.
Let’s move on.
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I sold my HD LH 3-15x42 2 months ago for a Meopta Optika 6 which is still on backorder. The NF SHV F1 was also in the mix too but now my eyes are all open for this new LHT! Can't wait for a comparison!
Well, if they’re SFP and stay that way, it confirms my suspicion that major OEMs just don’t get it. Not to worry, they will eventually. This long range movement is a tide not a wave. Fudd logic loses ground every day, and loses it three times faster when guys actually shoot stuff together.
Major OEMs, at least some of them, get it. Just be patient.
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I’m guessing the FFP hasn’t been released yet. Ryan Avery on Rokslide knows what he’s talking about and the one he’s testing is FFP.
To me this is aimed at hunters and not the “long range” crowd. Seems it is direct competition to a VX-5hd that a lot of people say they would buy if it was offered in mils and/or would track consistently. Not to say I wouldn’t buy the FFP version if given the choice. I’m also not sure if this is the most profitable niche to aim for, but they will probably get my money for 1.
Other than the slightly narrower FOV (updated spec still less than the VX5) I'd imagine this bests the VX5hd in most other categories.
If the illumination works as well as the Leupold Firedot then this will be a great scope.
Glad to see it has locking illumination.
Would like to see a 2-10x42 with the same illuminated Mil reticle (I imagine one is in the works).
The market is missing a good mid power Mil hunting scope, the VX5/VX6 2-10/12 are awesome scopes but the continued lack of Mil is frustrating.
If the illumination works as well as the Leupold Firedot then this will be a great scope.
Glad to see it has locking illumination.
Would like to see a 2-10x42 with the same illuminated Mil reticle (I imagine one is in the works).
The market is missing a good mid power Mil hunting scope, the VX5/VX6 2-10/12 are awesome scopes but the continued lack of Mil is frustrating.
We’ve waited 10 years, I’d be shocked if another year killed anyone.
Can a Vortex rep/anyone confirm if they will indeed be releasing a FFP version of this?
We have the MRAD and G4i BDC versions on the way! 
They are not on our site yet so please call 916-670-1103
They are not on our site yet so please call 916-670-1103
I‘ve switched to the NXS 2.5-10x42 mil/mil with MilR reticle for a few hunting rifles. They work great!
They do get it. Some here don’t. Vortex absolutely hit their largest market with this scope. The vast majority of hunters don’t even know what a FFP scope is and wouldn’t want one even if they did.
Most guys here prefer FFP because most are target shooters as well and are used to the scopes and are willing to deal with the short comings of the design because of it. Most hunters are not shooters.
FFP is not the answer to all shooting and all situations. There are many negatives with the design Just as there are with SFP scopes as well. It comes down to personal preferences of the individual of course like everything else.
My position on this is I want something I can raise and shoot, I don’t want to deal with turrets or worry about what my sub tensions actually represent. I understand this isn’t everyone’s position but it is mine
I definitely would have preferred ffp. The vortex fb post has a lot of people saying the same and vortex has acknowledged this. Hopefully it’s brought enough attention they consider an ffp version as the rep has stated it’s not part of the current plan. Guess it’s a wait and see scenario.
This is pure gold at. SFP is where is at for me and my southern Michigan fields and wood lots. Really just changed my wants priorities.
Come in here lecturing everyone with your Fud logic. You spew bull shit with such authority. Then get all surprised when people make fun of you. Many of us do get it, and think you don't get it.
The "vast majority" of hunters want change back on a 100 when buying a scope. The people that would buy this are mostly the same people that bought the LH razors. Missing everyone who didn't buy the Razor LH because they see no reason for the reticle subtesions to ever change.
Yeah, and when Henry Ford came out with the model T everyone was riding horses. Wonder what he was thinking ?.
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You guys seem all high and mighty for some reason. It’s amazing how someone with differing opinions than you rile you up so bad. There are many guys in this thread alone that are saying the same as me. I seem to be the one on y'alls mind. Its comical.
i speculated on Vortex’s thoughts and then stated fact that there are strengths and weaknesses with FFP and SFP scopes. Not very controversial. ?
Well, you’re in luck! There’s 400,000 SKUs and 40 years worth of used scopes from which to choose.
Is SFP inherently more lightweight than FFP?
Or are they basically the same materials/lenses just rearranged?
I love the HDLH (have all 3 G4 reticle) for hunting in the South. I’ll probably end up trying one of these, but think I’d prefer FFP, assuming weight wasn't increased.
Or are they basically the same materials/lenses just rearranged?
I love the HDLH (have all 3 G4 reticle) for hunting in the South. I’ll probably end up trying one of these, but think I’d prefer FFP, assuming weight wasn't increased.
The vast majority of hunters in Europe, Australia and New Zealand use SFP scopes.
There aren't too many forums that despise SFP quite like this one.
The most common scopes bought and sold on my local forum are SFP, MOA, duplex reticle like the VX3, VX5, Z3, Z5 etc.
Vortex aren't stupid, if there wasn't a market for this scope they wouldn't have made it.
That said there is definitely a market for a FFP version and/or a 3-15 AMG, which I'm sure Vortex are working on.
Watch out. I said the same thing and got attacked.
This is absolutely correct and the reality regardless if it is believed or not. I bet that 3-15 AMG will make its way out as well and will be a hit when it does. I would be interested in one as well if a few other changes are made. I bought and sold 2 6-24x50 AMGs that I couldn't warm up to. I have three gen ii Razors that fit better for my uses.
Interesting. That was not my experience in Europe (quite the opposite actually).
Most of the scopes sold in Europe are FFP. We used to joke all the time about FFP Euro bull shit. I don't give an honest fuck what most "hunters" use.
You can move along. I’m under your skin so badly its satisfying. Lets quite the bullshit already so this thread stays clean. I said it before and it still applies. You follow me around and post crap about me. This is the third or forth thread already. Wonder why?
LOL BOO who wa wa wa, I am to dense to figure the shit tracked all over the floor is stuck to my shoe. I swear some guys are just dense.
They sold a lot more than 10 3-12 LRHS at $1500. Enough for them to design a 4.5-18 and the LRTS scopes before they eventually Bushnelled down their legs.
Lol! Yeah, I have nothing better to do than follow your dumb ass around the inter webs, wiping your ass of all the bullshit coming outta your fucking pie hole. Lol, bitch please.
You’re like that fucking dog that shits all over the neighborhood, leaving annoying piles of shit everywhere, that people step in because it’s fucking EVERYWHERE. Now I’ve fucking schooled your dumbass before for being a dipshit, do we really wanna go down that path again?
I really don’t want to deal with your whiney bitch PM’s, asking “why we can’t just get along”, touchy fucking hipster fucking bullshit either.
I doubt running to daddy, saying you’re fucking dumbass is getting picked on will work either (you’ve already tried that too).
Just fucking stop.
How many did they sell of that scope they discontinued?
I’ve been down for a long time saying a 3-15 or 3-18 AMG is a good offering, but people acting like a SFP hunting optic is a bad product placement in the market because they want FFP is a bit much, especially when I bet half wouldn’t buy it anyway.
But then we are both working with totally made up numbers now aren’t we?
They updated their current razor glass hunting optic line with an improved razor glass hunting optic... it’s the obvious evolution in the line and if it’s successful you’ll probably get a FFP for you super humans that can somehow see that tiny ass reticle at dusk.
Until then as I’ve said trijicon Dropped a 3-18x44 ffp that weighs 24 ounces that no one gives a shit about
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I don’t know. I’d like to hear from the members of this forum that got Bushnell to design the thing in the first place, (you know, to address the hole in the market that no one cares about) what happened. It’s always seemed, from the outside, like a business or royalty thing. You can take a scope out of the bubble pack, but it’s hard to take the bubble pack out of the scope company.
You guys sure paint the guys here with broad brush of ignorance.
I almost bought a March, but I found out March was using the 6400 NATO mil not true milradians. And most guys that have had that scope have found it lacking.
I almost bought a March, but I found out March was using the 6400 NATO mil not true milradians. And most guys that have had that scope have found it lacking.
@Scott_at_Vortex
Are you able to shed any light on this FFP issue? Will the Razor LH line always be SFP?
Are you able to shed any light on this FFP issue? Will the Razor LH line always be SFP?
Can someone help me out here don't they have B & C backwards?
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