don’t distract me with diesel talk. I want to know more about these scopes. So I can decide which one to pull the trigger on. ?
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Scopes good. Spend money. Go kill shit.don’t distract me with diesel talk. I want to know more about these scopes. So I can decide which one to pull the trigger on. ?
Because its true. This is one of those not an opinion things I spoke of. That isn’t the post I was speaking of anyhow. You are quoting something different than what I was referring to. Go figure.That’s not what you said.
That’s what you said.
I’m guessing the FFP hasn’t been released yet. Ryan Avery on Rokslide knows what he’s talking about and the one he’s testing is FFP.Well, if they’re SFP and stay that way, it confirms my suspicion that major OEMs just don’t get it. Not to worry, they will eventually. This long range movement is a tide not a wave. Fudd logic loses ground every day, and loses it three times faster when guys actually shoot stuff together.
Well, if they’re SFP and stay that way, it confirms my suspicion that major OEMs just don’t get it. Not to worry, they will eventually. This long range movement is a tide not a wave. Fudd logic loses ground every day, and loses it three times faster when guys actually shoot stuff together.
Nope. He was confused & posted that his is actually SFP.I’m guessing the FFP hasn’t been released yet. Ryan Avery on Rokslide knows what he’s talking about and the one he’s testing is FFP.
Dang. Thanks for the clarification!Nope. He was confused & posted that his is actually SFP.View attachment 7265951
We’ve waited 10 years, I’d be shocked if another year killed anyone.Major OEMs, at least some of them, get it. Just be patient.
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Would like to see a 2-10x42 with the same illuminated Mil reticle (I imagine one is in the works).
The market is missing a good mid power Mil hunting scope, the VX5/VX6 2-10/12 are awesome scopes but the continued lack of Mil is frustrating.
They do get it. Some here don’t. Vortex absolutely hit their largest market with this scope. The vast majority of hunters don’t even know what a FFP scope is and wouldn’t want one even if they did.Well, if they’re SFP and stay that way, it confirms my suspicion that major OEMs just don’t get it. Not to worry, they will eventually. This long range movement is a tide not a wave. Fudd logic loses ground every day, and loses it three times faster when guys actually shoot stuff together.
Because that’s what the European market wants.So the 50mm is only available with the BDC Reticle? Why!?!
They do get it. Some here don’t. Vortex absolutely hit their largest market with this scope. The vast majority of hunters don’t even know what a FFP scope is and wouldn’t want one even if they did.
Most guys here prefer FFP because most are target shooters as well and are used to the scopes and are willing to deal with the short comings of the design because of it. Most hunters are not shooters.
FFP is not the answer to all shooting and all situations. There are many negatives with the design Just as there are with SFP scopes as well. It comes down to personal preferences of the individual of course like everything else.
They do get it. Some here don’t. Vortex absolutely hit their largest market with this scope. The vast majority of hunters don’t even know what a FFP scope is and wouldn’t want one even if they did.
Most guys here prefer FFP because most are target shooters as well and are used to the scopes and are willing to deal with the short comings of the design because of it. Most hunters are not shooters.
FFP is not the answer to all shooting and all situations. There are many negatives with the design Just as there are with SFP scopes as well. It comes down to personal preferences of the individual of course like everything else.
???????????Come in here lecturing everyone with your Fud logic. You spew bull shit with such authority. Then get all surprised when people make fun of you. Many of us do get it, and think you don't get it.
The "vast majority" of hunters want change back on a 100 when buying a scope. The people that would buy this are mostly the same people that bought the LH razors. Missing everyone who didn't buy the Razor LH because they see no reason for the reticle subtesions to ever change.
My position on this is I want something I can raise and shoot, I don’t want to deal with turrets or worry about what my sub tensions actually represent. I understand this isn’t everyone’s position but it is mine
Come in here lecturing everyone with your Fud logic. You spew bull shit with such authority. Then get all surprised when people make fun of you. Many of us do get it, and think you don't get it.
The "vast majority" of hunters want change back on a 100 when buying a scope. The people that would buy this are mostly the same people that bought the LH razors. Missing everyone who didn't buy the Razor LH because they see no reason for the reticle subtesions to ever change.
Watch out. I said the same thing and got attacked.The vast majority of hunters in Europe, Australia and New Zealand use SFP scopes.
There aren't too many forums that despise SFP quite like this one.
The most common scopes bought and sold on my local forum are SFP, MOA, duplex reticle like the VX3, VX5, Z3, Z5 etc.
Vortex aren't stupid, if there wasn't a market for this scope they wouldn't have made it.
That said there is definitely a market for a FFP version and/or a 3-15 AMG, which I'm sure Vortex are working on.
The vast majority of hunters in Europe, Australia and New Zealand use SFP scopes.
There aren't too many forums that despise SFP quite like this one.
The most common scopes bought and sold on my local forum are SFP, MOA, duplex reticle like the VX3, VX5, Z3, Z5 etc.
Vortex aren't stupid, if there wasn't a market for this scope they wouldn't have made it.
That said there is definitely a market for a FFP version and/or a 3-15 AMG, which I'm sure Vortex are working on.
Watch out. I said the same thing and got attacked.
This is absolutely correct and the reality regardless if it is believed or not. I bet that 3-15 AMG will make its way out as well and will be a hit when it does. I would be interested in one as well if a few other changes are made. I bought and sold 2 6-24x50 AMGs that I couldn't warm up to. I have three gen ii Razors that fit better for my uses.
You can move along. I’m under your skin so badly its satisfying. Lets quite the bullshit already so this thread stays clean. I said it before and it still applies. You follow me around and post crap about me. This is the third or forth thread already. Wonder why?Play the victim much?
Play the victim much?
Is SFP inherently more lightweight than FFP?
Or are they basically the same materials/lenses just rearranged?
Really hope they make an FFP one so all 10 of the 120 people that claim they would have bought one if they had would stop whining about it.
Lol! Yeah, I have nothing better to do than follow your dumb ass around the inter webs, wiping your ass of all the bullshit coming outta your fucking pie hole. Lol, bitch please.You can move along. I’m under your skin so badly its satisfying. Lets quite the bullshit already so this thread stays clean. I said it before and it still applies. You follow me around and post crap about me. This is the third or forth thread already. Wonder why?
They sold a lot more than 10 3-12 LRHS at $1500. Enough for them to design a 4.5-18 and the LRTS scopes before they eventually Bushnelled down their legs.
Cool story. Under that skin for sure.Lol! Yeah, I have nothing better to do than follow your dumb ass around the inter webs, wiping your ass of all the bullshit coming outta your fucking pie hole. Lol, bitch please.
You’re like that fucking dog that shits all over the neighborhood, leaving annoying piles of shit everywhere, that people step in because it’s fucking EVERYWHERE. Now I’ve fucking schooled your dumbass before for being a dipshit, do we really wanna go down that path again?
I really don’t want to deal with your whiney bitch PM’s, asking “why we can’t just get along”, touchy fucking hipster fucking bullshit either.
I doubt running to daddy, saying you’re fucking dumbass is getting picked on will work either (you’ve already tried that too).
Just fucking stop.
More like you’re on the sky line bro... ? ?Cool story. Under that skin for sure.
How many did they sell of that scope they discontinued?
I’ve been down for a long time saying a 3-15 or 3-18 AMG is a good offering, but people acting like a SFP hunting optic is a bad product placement in the market because they want FFP is a bit much, especially when I bet half wouldn’t buy it anyway.
But then we are both working with totally made up numbers now aren’t we?