NEW ZEALAND GUN CONTROL A...(gasp)...FAILURE?

[Kir]

New Zealand instituted a semi-auto firearms government buyback? (Government never owned those firearms, how could they buy them back?)
It appears it is not working out. Some 50K firearms have been bought back, but there may still be 170K out there. Exact figures unknown, of course.
Houston or I should say Wellington you have a problem!
The gun owning Kiwi's are setting an example for the U.S. firearms owners! Good for them!

 

[Inifinty]

Yes, BUT the grabbers are apparently now going back to the well with proposed enhancements.

Supplementary Order Paper 408 – Arms Legislation Bill - New Zealand Parliament

Public submissions are now being invited on this Supplementary Order Paper

www.parliament.nz

 

[craigos]

Of course, same shit happened in Australia - DONT GIVE AN INCH TO THESE MFers

 

[Blue Sky Country]

New Zealand instituted a semi-auto firearms government buyback? (Government never owned those firearms, how could they buy them back?)
It appears it is not working out. Some 50K firearms have been bought back, but there may still be 170K out there. Exact figures unknown, of course.
Houston or I should say Wellington you have a problem!
The gun owning Kiwi's are setting an example for the U.S. firearms owners! Good for them!

50K is still too much.

And one man has already died as a result of police actions during the enforcement of this ban. And I am not certain if that man's son had avenged his father yet.

No worries. Shi nian meiyou bao, shijian meiyou dao... Shijian dao le, tong tong dou bao le...

 

[2ndamendfan]

This^^^^^ 50k is WAY to much.

 

[W54/XM-388]

And one man has already died as a result of police actions during the enforcement of this ban. And I am not certain if that man's son had avenged his father yet.

The son is probably a bit on the sheepy side. Kind of a shame because avenging your relatives is almost kind of this sacred commandment thing.

 

[aishooternz]

That would be 40k antique pump action .22 rifles and 10k semi auto centerfires that were registered on licences so it was give them back or get the knock... so instead of 250000 legal guns and law abiding gun owners we now have a higher rate of criminals to law abiding citizens than parliament..

 

[deersniper]

Son should go to the hardware store and pick up some presents for them.

 

[theLBC]

i heard they estimated 15% compliance.

 

[Mwalex]

That is a 23% return rate, WAY to high and that emboldens the communist government even more.

 

[aishooternz]

There are still a lot of guns here... ?

 

[MK20]

Keep em

 

[2ndamendfan]

Notice no one from parliament is dealing with the actual dirty work of rounding them up.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

Notice no one from parliament is dealing with the actual dirty work of rounding them up.

It only takes a man or a couple of men who have perceived a mortal offense to deliver dirty work right to these leaders personally...

 

[Steel+Killer]

So New Zealand has 50K sheep that should be ashamed of themselves!

 

[candyx]

The only way forward to protect yourself would be to buy black market arms, what they don't know will keep you safe.

 

[DannC]

I think that many are not seeing the true results of gun consification. Those that refuse to surrender them, what are you going to do with them? You sure as hell are not going to the range to shoot them.
Are you going to strap it to your chest and dare someone to take it from you. How many are willing to give their lives and family security for their guns?
I had a conversation with the VP of my gun club explaining that other than my home on less than and acre and no relatives I had nowhere to hide my guns. I asked if he would take some if for some reason a red flag law was used against me. He said he would but if the sheriff came to him he was not going to jail for my guns. He suggested renting a storage unit. Like that is not the second place they will look for your guns.
Do you have someone that will hide your guns for you?
If there are 100,000,000 gun owners with 435,000,000 guns where are they going to be hidden?
Please do not misunderstand my questions and dilemma. I am old and the best part of my life is behind me. I have no one other than my dog to worry about.
I have not decided how I will react when that time comes, but they will have to come and take them. I will not voluntarily surrender them.

 

[W54/XM-388]

If there are 100,000,000 gun owners with 435,000,000 guns where are they going to be hidden?

There is a reason there are the old Ukrainian jokes about why is grandpa watering the flowerbed with an oil can?.....

 

[DannC]

Metal detectors will make short work out of most of our flowerbeds and yards.

Our guns are already registered by the 4473. If you cannot prove that you are no longer in possession of them they will destroy your home and yard to find them.

 

[candyx]

Metal detectors will make short work out of most of our flowerbeds and yards.

Our guns are already registered by the 4473. If you cannot prove that you are no longer in possession of them they will destroy your home and yard to find them.

Get a second ID and rent a self storage to store your guns and set up reloading station.

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

Metal detectors will make short work out of most of our flowerbeds and yards.

Our guns are already registered by the 4473. If you cannot prove that you are no longer in possession of them they will destroy your home and yard to find them.

Stash them somewhere else. Bury all the metal trash you can find in your yard, aluminium pipes being ideal. Encourage them to come take a peek at you. Laugh as they dig up one piece of shit after another looking for guns. Retrieve arms once the heat dies down and overthrow the government.

 

[theLBC]

I think that many are not seeing the true results of gun consification. Those that refuse to surrender them, what are you going to do with them? You sure as hell are not going to the range to shoot them.
Are you going to strap it to your chest and dare someone to take it from you. How many are willing to give their lives and family security for their guns?
I had a conversation with the VP of my gun club explaining that other than my home on less than and acre and no relatives I had nowhere to hide my guns. I asked if he would take some if for some reason a red flag law was used against me. He said he would but if the sheriff came to him he was not going to jail for my guns. He suggested renting a storage unit. Like that is not the second place they will look for your guns.
Do you have someone that will hide your guns for you?
If there are 100,000,000 gun owners with 435,000,000 guns where are they going to be hidden?
Please do not misunderstand my questions and dilemma. I am old and the best part of my life is behind me. I have no one other than my dog to worry about.
I have not decided how I will react when that time comes, but they will have to come and take them. I will not voluntarily surrender them.

 

[theLBC]

i lost mine in a boating accident

 

[eklarsen]

Metal detectors will make short work out of most of our flowerbeds and yards.

Our guns are already registered by the 4473. If you cannot prove that you are no longer in possession of them they will destroy your home and yard to find them.

The "Government" doesn't get a copy of the 4473, that is retained by the dealer for 20 years then destroyed. Unless the dealer goes out of business, then he must sent bound book, not he 4473, to the ATF.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Metal detectors will make short work out of most of our flowerbeds and yards.
Our guns are already registered by the 4473. If you cannot prove that you are no longer in possession of them they will destroy your home and yard to find them.

If they are singling you out directly for maximum anal intrusion, yes. But that's not going to be possible wide scale, it will only be done to a few they are trying to use as an example to set for the other sheep.

To give you an idea, I've seen police go to a place to take all the guns for "safekeeping" and get the shotgun in the soft sided double rifle case and miss the AR15 on the other side.....

Tearing someone's yard and house apart is very time and resource intensive and is not going to happen wide scale.

Now those of you in Communist states that have registered all your guns and have laws saying they can arrest you if you can't produce said guns on demand... well hopefully you have been busy in your metalworking shop for many years......

Your second point is EXACTLY why we MUST oppose vehemently all this "universal background check" BS. I have bought many a gun that I have legally sold to another individual without any paperwork being needed by anyone. I have also bought many guns from individuals simple cash and carry. All perfectly legal in a Free state. It is a fact that there is no "paperwork trail" for the location of millions of guns in this country.

And that's before you count the millions of stolen guns in the hands of the criminal class.

 

[MK20]

Yep. THAT is why they push the Universal Background check. It makes all their other tyrannical dreams possible.

 

[DannC]

The "Government" doesn't get a copy of the 4473, that is retained by the dealer for 20 years then destroyed. Unless the dealer goes out of business, then he must sent bound book, not he 4473, to the ATF.

Some people are living in a phantasy land. The 4473 is registration. With a warrant the feds will go to the manufactuer to obtain the serial numbers of all the guns they have produced. From there they will also know to what distributors those guns were sent and then to the local retailer. They then have access to the 4473's without a warrant.

They will start with the people who have purchase the largest quantities of firearms.
They will come to your home, maybe with a swat team to demand the guns. You tell them that you lost all your firearms in an unfortunate boating accident. Yeah, tell that to the judge and you will probably be held in contempt of court. The boating accident theme is prevalent on every gun forum.

The thoughts of frustrating LE with sowing your yard with scraps of metal will result in them bringing a bulldozer to excavate your entire yard. Your home will be ransacked with walls torn out and ceilings pulled down. You say you will sue for damages. Good luck with that. They will tell the judge that it looked like fresh paint as if the wall had been taken down to conceal something and new drywall and paint applied.

Even the 17,500,000 AR's manufactured as of September 2019 that will be the initial focus, where are you going to hide them?

 

[supercorndogs]

The fact that you think most yards aren't already littered with scraps of metal, tells me you don't metal detect. Most detectors will only go down a foot or 18" on a big object. Like leaf spring.

So when the jack boots start tearing down homes and excavating yards, what should you do? Hurry up and sell your shit back before you loose your freedom?

 

[W54/XM-388]

Some people are living in a phantasy land. The 4473 is registration. With a warrant the feds will go to the manufactuer to obtain the serial numbers of all the guns they have produced. From there they will also know to what distributors those guns were sent and then to the local retailer. They then have access to the 4473's without a warrant.

They will start with the people who have purchase the largest quantities of firearms.
They will come to your home, maybe with a swat team to demand the guns. You tell them that you lost all your firearms in an unfortunate boating accident. Yeah, tell that to the judge and you will probably be held in contempt of court. The boating accident theme is prevalent on every gun forum.

The thoughts of frustrating LE with sowing your yard with scraps of metal will result in them bringing a bulldozer to excavate your entire yard. Your home will be ransacked with walls torn out and ceilings pulled down. You say you will sue for damages. Good luck with that. They will tell the judge that it looked like fresh paint as if the wall had been taken down to conceal something and new drywall and paint applied.

You'll find that both sides have been think tanking this for a very long time and the realists on both sides clearly understand the actual odds & have many plans.

The Communists also don't want to overplay their hand too badly to where folks decide it's time to start playing demolition derby as a national sport.

It's all about the slow boil as they get you to "obey the law" and disarm yourselves, then slowly pick you off one by one if you don't comply when one of your wives or inlaws or such rats you out.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Sounds like someone here is trying to soothe his/her conscious about bending over for Dot Gov.

Listen. If they storm troop your house to get the evil guns and you're not in the mindset of letting the king's men set the narrative that they "HAD" to riddle your body with bullets because you resisted. Just step aside and let them do their job. Making sure that you get the names of the tyrant's who sent them and those that fulfilled their duty to trample the COTUS.
Take $50 in cash and visit your local hardware store.
Two brothers shut down Boston and surrounding areas for a couple days.
Always remember... tyrants first and avoid the innocent, if at all possible.

 

[Expert684]

Just saw this on Fox. He he, if I turned in two guns you know how many I would have left?

New Zealand collects more than 50K guns after assault weapon ban following mosque attack

New Zealand authorities said Saturday their country will be a safer place after owners handed in more than 50,000 guns during a buyback program following a ban on assault weapons. But critics say the process was flawed and many owners have illegally stashed their firearms.

www.foxnews.com

The Kiwi’s should have cut and chopped them up, then turn them in, if they were smart?

 

[2ndamendfan]

I think that many are not seeing the true results of gun consification. Those that refuse to surrender them, what are you going to do with them? You sure as hell are not going to the range to shoot them.
Are you going to strap it to your chest and dare someone to take it from you. How many are willing to give their lives and family security for their guns?
I had a conversation with the VP of my gun club explaining that other than my home on less than and acre and no relatives I had nowhere to hide my guns. I asked if he would take some if for some reason a red flag law was used against me. He said he would but if the sheriff came to him he was not going to jail for my guns. He suggested renting a storage unit. Like that is not the second place they will look for your guns.
Do you have someone that will hide your guns for you?
If there are 100,000,000 gun owners with 435,000,000 guns where are they going to be hidden?
Please do not misunderstand my questions and dilemma. I am old and the best part of my life is behind me. I have no one other than my dog to worry about.
I have not decided how I will react when that time comes, but they will have to come and take them. I will not voluntarily surrender them.

I am somewhat jealous of your position. If all I had to worry about was a dog, I wouldn't hide fucking shit.

When the door knock came it would be on like donkey kong. Think Charles Bronson in death hunt, the cabin scene (some what based on true events).

 

[DannC]

I am somewhat jealous of your position. If all I had to worry about was a dog, I wouldn't hide fucking shit.

When the door knock came it would be on like donkey kong. Think Charles Bronson in death hunt, the cabin scene (some what based on true events).

Typical internet commando. Show everyone what a tough SOB you are. Strap your AR to your chest and walk into the sheriff's office and dare someone to take it from you and then I will be impressed.

Oh I see, you have a family, job and a dog so you will willing surrender your guns.

 

[Racer88]

It's kinda funny... the MSM is touting the collection of 50k weapons as a "success," when it's less than a third of the estimated number of weapons in citizen's hands.

While we may think that 1/3 is "too high" (and I agree), it's pretty LOW when you consider the CULTURE. Our opinion of it being "too high" is in an AMERICAN CULTURAL context.

So, I'm rather impressed with the Kiwis' resistance. Given their culture, it's quite a statement of civil disobedience.

 

[MadDuner]

If 20% of Americans complied to a law like this - I would be both surprised and disappointed. Ours is a gun culture with a very long history of non-compliance. With that said, to date - the highest rate of law-abiding examples is set by legal gun owners.

80 million legal gun owners that own more than 300 million guns have murdered no one..... because nobody in government made them criminals yet. Make them criminals? All bets are off.

 

[Racer88]

If 20% of Americans complied to a law like this - I would be both surprised and disappointed. Ours is a gun culture with a very long history of non-compliance. With that said, to date - the highest rate of law-abiding examples is set by legal gun owners.

80 million legal gun owners that own more than 300 million guns have murdered no one..... because nobody in government made them criminals yet. Make them criminals? All bets are off.

Consider that since the "SAFE Act" in NY, there has been a 4 - 6% compliance rate (for EBR registration). Similarly, in CT, there has been a 12% compliance rate.

In NJ, after the ban of "hi-cap" magazines, there has been a ZERO % compliance rate to turn them in.

The same has been true for bump stock turn-ins after the ban in many states (and federally).

PS... If I recall correctly, Australia had about a 20% compliance rate, too.

 

[oneshot86]

Typical internet commando. Show everyone what a tough SOB you are. Strap your AR to your chest and walk into the sheriff's office and dare someone to take it from you and then I will be impressed.

Oh I see, you have a family, job and a dog so you will willing surrender your guns.

u r being a typical dick

 

[DannC]

u r being a typical dick

That I can be. The huff and puff I see on this forum and the threads chastising the people in the states of Cali, NY, Co etc. for doing nothing to protect their 2nd rights gets old.

I want to see some of these Rambo's do something other than post how badass they think they are.

To "coin a phrase" Put up or STHU.

 

[rtB]

Funny. I see your type on forums all over.

Easy to ignore.

 

[Racer88]

I was telling my wife about the 20% turn-in results. She said, "A 20% on a test is an 'F'!"

Yeah... an "F-minus!"

 

[eklarsen]

I understand why DannC thinks he will get red flagged at some point now, does not play well with others. You may want to not broadcast that you are asking others to hide your gun on a public internet sites because.... well never mind you know more than I do so carry on.

 

[DannC]

I understand why DannC thinks he will get red flagged at some point now, does not play well with others. You may want to not broadcast that you are asking others to hide your gun on a public internet sites because.... well never mind you know more than I do so carry on.

What, am I being too honest and a realist for you. Yes I had a converstion with a friend about red flag laws and how to preserve some of my firearms. So What? I would also offer to take his guns for safe keeping.

If you mean that I do not go on gun forums bosting about how I will die in a hail of bullets and take as many cops as I can with me before they take my guns. Guilty.

You think that I would be the first one on their list when I have not threatened anyone.

Please read through this thread and the three or four others currently on this forum to see those that have threatened violence. Those will be the first that they come for. Not me.

I fear no one and can easily be found. My hometown and state is posted on this site unlike the majority of you that hide behind your clever monikers. Even my name is a contraction of my first and last name. My dog is known my hundreds of people and he will come to you with his tail wagging so you can get my street address and phone number.

If you feel the need to caution someone about what they post you have a lot of work to do. I suggest you start with those that are doing us a disservice by their "DonkeyKong" statements.



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[eklarsen]

I will not voluntarily surrender them.

Hmm then what were you saying here?

 

[Racer88]

According to the American mainstream media, the gun confiscation in NZ is a "success."

Multiple MSM sources are reporting the end of the New Zealand gun confiscation / turn-in as a "success." 50,000 guns were turned in, and "NZ is now safer." Bwahahahahaaaaaaaaaa! Idiots.

 

[Charger442]

It's kinda funny... the MSM is touting the collection of 50k weapons as a "success," when it's less than a third of the estimated number of weapons in citizen's hands.

what is being ignored in all of this is that its 50k in "assault weapons". id assume they are not turning in bolt actions? Which means there should be atleast twice the number of gun still out there than they estimated on the AW number.

These people taking the guns have not even considered a man, in a strategic hide, with multiple stealth escape routes, with 20-50 rounds of 7.62x51 or 300 winchester magnum, being able to shut down an area roughly the size of a quarter of a kilometer. (using effective range of 500 meters and a FOV angle of around 120 degrees, just for estimates).

"assault weapons" arent all the weapons, though im certain they want to take every single one that fires a metallic cartridge.

 

[Racer88]

what is being ignored in all of this is that its 50k in "assault weapons". id assume they are not turning in bolt actions? Which means there should be atleast twice the number of gun still out there than they estimated on the AW number.

These people taking the guns have not even considered a man, in a strategic hide, with multiple stealth escape routes, with 20-50 rounds of 7.62x51 or 300 winchester magnum, being able to shut down an area roughly the size of a quarter of a kilometer. (using effective range of 500 meters and a FOV angle of around 120 degrees, just for estimates).

"assault weapons" arent all the weapons, though im certain they want to take every single one that fires a metallic cartridge.

I believe the number of weapons seized is about 20% of the banned, so-called "assault weapons." Not 20% of ALL the weapons. I should have been more specific in my comment.

 

[jerryrva]

The people that turned in their guns so readily were never going to use them to protect their rights anyway.

 

[Inifinty]

Did the gangs turn in those 20%?

MSM "safer" is an outright lie.

 

[Inifinty]

I think that many are not seeing the true results of gun consification. Those that refuse to surrender them, what are you going to do with them? You sure as hell are not going to the range to shoot them.

Level of liberty will come down to location and what your neighbors will tolerate.

 

[10ring'r]

Wasn't a majority of the weapons turned in, parts (receivers, barrels, bolts, etc.)? I thought I read an article not too long ago. Mac