Training Courses Newbie Here Looking For As Many Tips As Possible!!!

[Sierra317]

Hey yall, I'm pretty new to long range. i am seeking the knowledge of what i need for hitting something out to my current goal (1000 yards). I have an R700 SPS Tactical AAC. (.308) with a Trijicon 5-20x50 Accupoint optic. EGW 20 moa Rail, and some Weaver rings for starters. and shooting Federal Premium Gold Medal175gr SMK BTHP, Being that i am new and know nothing on reloading, and i am also in the process of saving up for a house...So far im hitting 1MOA (1 inch) Groups at 100 yards. in a week i'm moving out to my buddies farm down in Clay City IN, and he said i can shoot out to as far as i want on his land, so i'm taking the advantage of this offer by setting up my own little range to eventually hit out to 1000 yards, and if i ever can become successful with it i plan on trying to push further...i am on the waiting list for a mcmillan A5 Stock so in January ill be installing that. I am looking to try to do this with the least amount of techology, so i can learn with and without so if it came to a Shit Hit The Fan shituation i'll be good to go, If anyone can help me along this journey, it would be a HUGE HELP! thanks!!!
- MIKE

 

[lash]

Welcome to Snipers Hide.

With that rifle system and ammo you should have no trouble getting to your goal. Don't sweat having more or different gear.

Having said that, I want to make one comment regarding your desire to do it with the least amount of technology. While this is an admirable goal, I think that you need to consider what the technology does.

I see the "technology", like ballistic apps and wind meters, as tools. Educational tools. If you take this journey without the learning tools and/or professional tutelage available, it will be a much longer journey than it needs to be. In fact, you may end up "learning" incorrectly.

My point is that there is nothing wrong with using the technology to rapidly increase your knowledge. It can be the means to an end, not the end itself.

 

[Sierra317]

Thank you for the tip and i would like to learn with and without...being that i dont have any of them tools with me...i want to know what i need to study! if you can help me out in any way PLEASE DO!!!

 

[Sierra317]

I also have a Sand bag for my rifle butt, and a harris s series bipod!

 

[diverdon]

Do a tall target test.
If you don't reload, buy Federal Gold Metal 175gr
Go here to get some Dope to start with: http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi
Shoot

 

[lash]

Start by reading lots...articles and threads here and elsewhere that interest you. It certainly wouldn't hurt to sign up for the Snipers Hide training videos. There is a good bit of solid information there.

Purchase a smart phone ballistic app for $15-25 and learn how to use it and understand it. That will speed your understanding of what your bullet is doing down range. If you don't have or want a smart phone, get one of the kestrels with AB ballistics built in. Pricey but worth it.

Read every article you can find about ballistics and wind, then read again and ask questions until you understand what is being taught.

Then, above all, get out and shoot. But don't just fire rounds wildly or without purpose. At first, your goal needs to be developing good form/technique and repeatable results. Then on improving the basics of NPA and proper trigger squeeze.

Theres tons more, but I have to get up at 4.
Cheers!

 

[Sierra317]

That was really confusing^ lol i dont even know how to use the chart...hence why im here

 

[Sierra317]

that was for DIVERDON, btw...and thanks for the tip Lash

 

[lash]

Honestly Sierra, I suggest that you spend a little time getting familiar with your rifle and especially your scope first. Read the simple booklet that came with it to find out what all the bits on your reticle mean.

Then sign up for a long range precision class, preferably at least a two day class. There should be one within a day's drive for you and the $250-600 you spend will advance your knowledge exponentially.

Really. I'm not kidding.

 

[Sierra317]

Theres One Near Clay City Indiana?

 

[lash]

Not positive, but there are so many good solid long range class locations in the heart of this country, I have to believe that there's one within reach.

 

[Sierra317]

ill have to check it out!

 

[Sierra317]

IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY OTHER TIPS TO HELP ME GET SET UP PLEAS SHOOT THEM MY WAY! iM ALWAYS WILLING TO LEARN IF ONE IS WILLING TO TEACH EVEN IF ITS SMALL TIPS!

 

[pmclaine]

You can occasionally find ammo cheaper elsewhere from places like Palmetto State and such but these guys seem to be consistently fair in their pricing.

175 FGMM shipped for less than $190 per case. Buy and shoot lots of it....

https://www.targetsportsusa.com/federal-gold-medal-308-win-175-gr-ammo-smkhp-gm308m2-p-1744.aspx

https://www.targetsportsusa.com/

 

[thaifighter]

get a notebook. Start in close and zero for 200. Record groups, walk out 100 and use standard come-ups for .308. Record group, note difference in elevation between standard and correct your scope, Fire group to confirm correction at that distance. Take notes for elevation and wind. Keep walking it out until you hit 500, shorten walk-outs to 50 yards per interval between 500 and 700. once at 700, go to 25 yard increments. Learn the dope for YOUR rifle and ammo. By the time you get to 1000 you should have a fairly extensive notebook that has a ton of data about how your rifle and ammo perform under different conditions. Every shot is a learning experience, even a miss isn't a wasted round if you identify what you did in error and learn from it. G/L and have fun!

 

[lash]

Why are you recommending a 200 yard zero?

This isn't a hunting rifle with a scope that never gets dialed. This is a precision rifle with a precision scope. Use a normal 100 yard zero like all the cool kids do. Dial for elevation changes.

 

[thaifighter]

Because he already knows his 100 yard zero per his original post... 200 is the next walk out point for his data collection...

 

[lash]

So you are not actually talking about a 200 yard zero. You mean that he needs to get his dope for 200 next. I'll agree with that.

A 200 yard zero is something else. Let's try not to confuse people if possible.

 

[greg1147]

I am in the same situation and except opted for a RPR in 6.5 CM. I picked up the Impact Data notebook, lot of information to download there. For the time being I am using an Red Field 4-12 Accurange, So far its good for 200 yds just waiting for the budget to build for Vortex or ? Keep the info coming.
Thanks Greg

 

[usafa77]

Sierra, ditch this thread and start reading the rest of this site.