I asked a question that was far from BS. All I was looking for was first hand knowledge from someone who had both prior to spending 3K on a scope to find out that someone on this site could have given me the heads up if there was an issue with it that I was unaware of through my research. The only thing I really found out is that the one guy with both optics had a burr up his ass and took shit way too personal. It's a forum the last time I checked, which means people are going to ask questions. You say you have been doing this way too long to play word game but isn't that what you just did by saying, "I would rather read someone say, "I settled on the Vortex, but before I pull the trigger am I missing something by not getting the NF" instead they say, "what should I get, A or B"? After all the true bullshit this question created, I bought the Beast and have been impressed thus far. The Vortex is still order and I will probably get it anyway just to give it a fair shot. For those of you who gave me productive input I appreciate it. For those that didn't, read between the lines.