Rifle Scopes NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

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Hey guys, I don't have the required number of posts to post in the WTT section so though I might gain a little knowledge/advice while offering my new NF. I can purchase a new Nightforce NXS 3-15x50 F1 Mildot reticle with Mil turrets through Amazon using gift certificates; however, I have it in my mind that I need a Premier or S&B. I have not looked through any of them in person. Do you guys think I am being foolish and should just get the NF, or do you think it would be worth it to trade it toward a Premier or S&B? The scope will be going on an 18" LWRC REPR .308. From what I have read, NF makes a great optic, but the things I am concerned about are the illumination control and the rotating ocular. I really like the Premier, but it is on the heavy side. The S&B seems excellent as well, but I don't believe the warranty is as good as the others.

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks.
 
#2
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

I use the NF on my AR10s, although I have some with S&Bs on them.

With the NF you can use straight up rings and still get 1000 yards out of it, with the S&B you need the aggressive bases to build the cant in. Without a cant you'll probably top out around 6 mils of elevation.

I would go with F1, they work great and without getting into details would pick it over the Premier.
 
#4
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

Since you're pretty new here, I will say this:

You should heed the advice of the man above (lowlight), he knows what he is talking about.
 
#5
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

I have to agree with Frank. After having both the F1 and Premier and comparing them side by side it was a clear choice to keep the F1. I did however just sell my F1 to a friend and picked up a PMII 5-25 for my AI just for the hell of it and I don't think I gained anything, if anything I would like to have my NF and the extra $1000 I paid back. All I got was a bigger heavier scope, with more magnification than I'll ever use (rarely ever used 15X on the F1). As Frank also mentioned the F1 has a ton of elevation, on my AI with a 0MOA base and the rings that came with it I had over 19 mil's of adjustment left. The S&B wouldn't have to have a canted base though although it would be better, the 5-25 that uses the most aggressive base to get the most out of it is only 45MOA which is about 13mil's. I've found most 5-25's have about 27-28 mil's of total travel so about 14mils left over give or take with a non canted base which should be plenty elevation for the distance a 308 will be supersonic. If you do choose to go with a S&B a AI picatinny mount with the appropriate cant will work fine on your REPR.

The illumination control and rotating occular are really non issues. The only time you'll need the illumination is in low light or at night, and I had no problem setting the rheostat so it was the right brightness for both conditions and never touched it again. The only downside to the rotating occular is you can't use BC flip ups which really isn't a down side at all. NF's come with the bikini cover that I prefer over flip ups anyway because it doesn't break, I can't tell you how many BC flip ups I've broken. Simply tie it to the tube with some 550 cord and you can pop it off just as fast as a set of BC's, and you can put it back on just about as fast. The one really nice thing about the rotating occular is it's a lot easier to grab it and turn it with your whole hand than it is to turn the small ring on the Premier, or the ring on the S&B with the illumination control right beside it.

I would buy the F1 and never look back, in the year and a half I used mine I couldn't find one thing I disliked about it and I actually regret selling it. Considering the reliability of NF, the glass quality of the F1 which compares to S&B's and the features it may very well be the best scope out there right now.
 
#6
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

Thanks to everyone for such great information. I think you have helped me to lean toward the F1. I will post some pics and hopefully a range report as soon as she is complete.

Thanks again!
 
#7
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

For your setup, I would definitely go with the NF. I don't think you are losing anything with it and it just seems a better fit for the suggested rifle. As Lowlight noted also, you will not have to be concerned about the cant with the NF.
 
#8
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

Dont buy into all the High Speed crap everyone thinks they need to have...Nightforce is a great scope, battle proven and used in many matches... You cant go wrong with Premier or S$B...but the NF wont behind in anyway...just get the MLR reticle and rapid turn turret with .1mil...

I dont know what kind of deals you can get but the F1 is 4-500 bucks less than the Premier. so if you can afford it..its up to you.
 
#9
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

Thanks. I may start out with the rings included with the NF, but do you guys think I would be better off then going with the NF one-piece mount or a LaRue LT-158?
 
#10
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

redneckbmxer24, this cracks me up!

"After having both the F1 and Premier and comparing them side by side it was a clear choice to keep the F1. I did however just sell my F1 to a friend and picked up a PMII 5-25....."

Thanks.
 
#11
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbransco</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks. I may start out with the rings included with the NF, but do you guys think I would be better off then going with the NF one-piece mount or a LaRue LT-158? </div></div>Just use the rings included, you don't need an offset mount on a REPR, those are designed for split uppers because the front ring usually ends up where the collar is that separates the handguard. Nightforce rings are great, and if you use a torque wrench, you return to zero no prob.
 
#12
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

The glass on a NF is no better than a Bushnell 6500 or even a Weaver of similar value. Light transmission in low light isnt up there with S&B, Zeiss etc.

but you probably get a rock solid scope with all the tactical features so if your only shooting in day light then there is no need to spend the extra $ on super high light transmission glass
 
#13
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

If you do go with a long range base, try the Badger Ordnance 22 moa riser and high rings. It will put it the same height as the Larue with additional travel. The only reason I shy away from Larue on the LWRC is the left side cocking handle. If you get in a hurry, the sharp edges on the underside of the exposed Larue locking mechanism cut up your left hand.
 
#14
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The glass on a NF is no better than a Bushnell 6500 or even a Weaver of similar value. Light transmission in low light isnt up there with S&B, Zeiss etc.

but you probably get a rock solid scope with all the tactical features so if your only shooting in day light then there is no need to spend the extra $ on super high light transmission glass </div></div>

Have you ever looked through a NF?
 
#15
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbransco</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks. I may start out with the rings included with the NF, but do you guys think I would be better off then going with the NF one-piece mount or a LaRue LT-158? </div></div>

I don't think the 1.0 rings that come with the F1 are tall enough for the objective to clear the full length rail of the REPR, but its worth a try. A new set of NF rings should bring $125 or so to upgrade mounts though. The NF Unimount is very nice, and the 20MOA of can't built in isn't going to hurt anything either. The AI 6317 18MOA 30MM picatinny mount is also the perfect height for a AR and is a very nice mount and is also $65 cheaper than the unimount. I stay away from quick release mounts for precision rifles, the only time I may consider it would be if the rifle has BUIS's.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The glass on a NF is no better than a Bushnell 6500 or even a Weaver of similar value. Light transmission in low light isnt up there with S&B, Zeiss etc.

but you probably get a rock solid scope with all the tactical features so if your only shooting in day light then there is no need to spend the extra $ on super high light transmission glass </div></div>

You obviously have never looked through a F1 the glass mine had better resolution than my Premier, and has as good resolution as my S&B. If anything S&B's have a slightly (and I do mean very slightly) more colorful picture. On a full moon night as long as its no real cloudy I can see and hit my 500 yard plate no problem with the F1. I haven't tried it yet with my S&B 5-25 as I just got it and didn't try it with any of my previous PMII's since they were all 4-16 non illuminated models, but with the Heritage I couldn't even make out the target. If you want to do a real fun comparison try looking through them with a PVS-22 in front of it, I've yet to use a scope that looks better through NV than the F1 but I'm not saying there's not one out there (I've yet to try out a hendsoldt).

Good luck finding a "weaver of similar value". I don't even think they make a scope over a grand much less $2K. They have nothing that competes with the F1 feature wise either.
 
#16
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The glass on a NF is no better than a Bushnell 6500 or even a Weaver of similar value. Light transmission in low light isnt up there with S&B, Zeiss etc.

but you probably get a rock solid scope with all the tactical features so if your only shooting in day light then there is no need to spend the extra $ on super high light transmission glass </div></div>

Have you ever looked through a NF? </div></div>

Not only do I doubt he has used a F1, I doubt he has used a NF period. I got bored and looked back through his posts, I think the guy just doesn't know what a good scope is and needs to stop spreading misinformation. This one in particular popped out. Apparently a scope with capped turrets and plain jane reticle is just as good as a PMII available in matched mil/mil, with zero stop, windage stop, and illumination, and a USO with adjustable objective parralax that uses less lenses than a side parralax scope for even better light transmission sucks.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i would not put Nightforce in the same league as Zeiss and S&B sorry.

They came almost stone last in light transmission tests against some mediocre scopes from middle road brands

But what they lose in glass they try and make up in tacti-cool features.

i have yet to use a Zeiss but my S&B PH that i owned was very good.

if only i had the money to get a S&B PMII, sad fact is that the S&B Classic 4-16x50 is a load cheaper and you get just as much scope for a lot less money.

the Germans make superior optics its just what they do.

US Optics scopes use adjustable objectives far to much to be considered same league as S&B or Zeiss. this is something you would see on a Hawke scope at 99$ adjusting Px would be a pain in the ass for a $2500 scope! optical quality and light trasmission remain to be seen. depends who makes their glass

Swarovski, Zeiss and S&B - Scopes for life.</div></div>


 
#17
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbransco</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks. I may start out with the rings included with the NF, but do you guys think I would be better off then going with the NF one-piece mount or a LaRue LT-158? </div></div>

I don't think the 1.0 rings that come with the F1 are tall enough for the objective to clear the full length rail of the REPR, but its worth a try. A new set of NF rings should bring $125 or so to upgrade mounts though. The NF Unimount is very nice, and the 20MOA of can't built in isn't going to hurt anything either. The AI 6317 18MOA 30MM picatinny mount is also the perfect height for a AR and is a very nice mount and is also $65 cheaper than the unimount. I stay away from quick release mounts for precision rifles, the only time I may consider it would be if the rifle has BUIS's.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The glass on a NF is no better than a Bushnell 6500 or even a Weaver of similar value. Light transmission in low light isnt up there with S&B, Zeiss etc.

but you probably get a rock solid scope with all the tactical features so if your only shooting in day light then there is no need to spend the extra $ on super high light transmission glass </div></div>

You obviously have never looked through a F1 the glass mine had better resolution than my Premier, and has as good resolution as my S&B. If anything S&B's have a slightly (and I do mean very slightly) more colorful picture. On a full moon night as long as its no real cloudy I can see and hit my 500 yard plate no problem with the F1. I haven't tried it yet with my S&B 5-25 as I just got it and didn't try it with any of my previous PMII's since they were all 4-16 non illuminated models, but with the Heritage I couldn't even make out the target. If you want to do a real fun comparison try looking through them with a PVS-22 in front of it, I've yet to use a scope that looks better through NV than the F1 but I'm not saying there's not one out there (I've yet to try out a hendsoldt).

Good luck finding a "weaver of similar value". I don't even think they make a scope over a grand much less $2K. They have nothing that competes with the F1 feature wise either. </div></div>

Dont miss quote me. i spoke about light transmission and not about resolution. NF has a low light transmission compared to scopes of even less $$ its been tested.

i also compared the weaver to the bushnell in terms of price not the NF.

I also said that the glass in a NF isnt any better than most scopes with decent Japanese Glass.

NF glass is not in the same league as S&B and Zeiss. this is just fact
 
#18
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbransco</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks. I may start out with the rings included with the NF, but do you guys think I would be better off then going with the NF one-piece mount or a LaRue LT-158? </div></div>

I don't think the 1.0 rings that come with the F1 are tall enough for the objective to clear the full length rail of the REPR, but its worth a try. A new set of NF rings should bring $125 or so to upgrade mounts though. The NF Unimount is very nice, and the 20MOA of can't built in isn't going to hurt anything either. The AI 6317 18MOA 30MM picatinny mount is also the perfect height for a AR and is a very nice mount and is also $65 cheaper than the unimount. I stay away from quick release mounts for precision rifles, the only time I may consider it would be if the rifle has BUIS's.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The glass on a NF is no better than a Bushnell 6500 or even a Weaver of similar value. Light transmission in low light isnt up there with S&B, Zeiss etc.

but you probably get a rock solid scope with all the tactical features so if your only shooting in day light then there is no need to spend the extra $ on super high light transmission glass </div></div>

You obviously have never looked through a F1 the glass mine had better resolution than my Premier, and has as good resolution as my S&B. If anything S&B's have a slightly (and I do mean very slightly) more colorful picture. On a full moon night as long as its no real cloudy I can see and hit my 500 yard plate no problem with the F1. I haven't tried it yet with my S&B 5-25 as I just got it and didn't try it with any of my previous PMII's since they were all 4-16 non illuminated models, but with the Heritage I couldn't even make out the target. If you want to do a real fun comparison try looking through them with a PVS-22 in front of it, I've yet to use a scope that looks better through NV than the F1 but I'm not saying there's not one out there (I've yet to try out a hendsoldt).

Good luck finding a "weaver of similar value". I don't even think they make a scope over a grand much less $2K. They have nothing that competes with the F1 feature wise either. </div></div>

Dont miss quote me. i spoke about light transmission and not about resolution. NF has a low light transmission compared to scopes of even less $$ its been tested.

i also compared the weaver to the bushnell in terms of price not the NF.

I also said that the glass in a NF isnt any better than most scopes with decent Japanese Glass.

NF glass is not in the same league as S&B and Zeiss. this is just fact </div></div>

Care to show this test?
 
#19
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbransco</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks. I may start out with the rings included with the NF, but do you guys think I would be better off then going with the NF one-piece mount or a LaRue LT-158? </div></div>

I don't think the 1.0 rings that come with the F1 are tall enough for the objective to clear the full length rail of the REPR, but its worth a try. A new set of NF rings should bring $125 or so to upgrade mounts though. The NF Unimount is very nice, and the 20MOA of can't built in isn't going to hurt anything either. The AI 6317 18MOA 30MM picatinny mount is also the perfect height for a AR and is a very nice mount and is also $65 cheaper than the unimount. I stay away from quick release mounts for precision rifles, the only time I may consider it would be if the rifle has BUIS's.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The glass on a NF is no better than a Bushnell 6500 or even a Weaver of similar value. Light transmission in low light isnt up there with S&B, Zeiss etc.

but you probably get a rock solid scope with all the tactical features so if your only shooting in day light then there is no need to spend the extra $ on super high light transmission glass </div></div>

You obviously have never looked through a F1 the glass mine had better resolution than my Premier, and has as good resolution as my S&B. If anything S&B's have a slightly (and I do mean very slightly) more colorful picture. On a full moon night as long as its no real cloudy I can see and hit my 500 yard plate no problem with the F1. I haven't tried it yet with my S&B 5-25 as I just got it and didn't try it with any of my previous PMII's since they were all 4-16 non illuminated models, but with the Heritage I couldn't even make out the target. If you want to do a real fun comparison try looking through them with a PVS-22 in front of it, I've yet to use a scope that looks better through NV than the F1 but I'm not saying there's not one out there (I've yet to try out a hendsoldt).

Good luck finding a "weaver of similar value". I don't even think they make a scope over a grand much less $2K. They have nothing that competes with the F1 feature wise either. </div></div>

Dont miss quote me. i spoke about light transmission and not about resolution. NF has a low light transmission compared to scopes of even less $$ its been tested.

i also compared the weaver to the bushnell in terms of price not the NF.

I also said that the glass in a NF isnt any better than most scopes with decent Japanese Glass.

NF glass is not in the same league as S&B and Zeiss. this is just fact </div></div>

Care to show this test? </div></div>

http://www.opticstalk.com/multiple-rifle-scope-tests-from-europereal-tests_topic9883.html

at the bottom
 
#20
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

I had a premier. I now have an F1. for your application I'd go with the F1.

the premier has great glass, probably better than the F1. I gave up the premier to save some weight. the only thing I miss are the MTC clicks.

I'd recommend a Fl with MLR and hi speed mil knobs.
 
#22
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2M10</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you do go with a long range base, try the Badger Ordnance 22 moa riser and high rings. </div></div>If you use the base, you don't need high rings. Lows should clear, mediums definitely will. A 22moa riser base combined with high rings= floating cheek position.

The 22moa base is a good option for split receiver/handguard combos, but not needed in this application unless the extra 22moa is needed (the REPR has a monolithic upper rail.)

If you do need a 22moa Badger riser, hit me up, I have one that I no longer need.
 
#24
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The glass on a NF is no better than a Bushnell 6500 or even a Weaver of similar value. Light transmission in low light isnt up there with S&B, Zeiss etc.

but you probably get a rock solid scope with all the tactical features so if your only shooting in day light then there is no need to spend the extra $ on super high light transmission glass </div></div>

You are referencing a post on another forum that was taken from yet another source. The source was someone in Germany saying German glass is better. surprise surprise!! Why not leave it to people that have penty of trigger time with the product and are relaying first hand information.

Marshall
 
#25
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Dont miss quote me. i spoke about light transmission and not about resolution. NF has a low light transmission compared to scopes of even less $$ its been tested.

i also compared the weaver to the bushnell in terms of price not the NF.

I also said that the glass in a NF isnt any better than most scopes with decent Japanese Glass.

NF glass is not in the same league as S&B and Zeiss. this is just fact </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personally id be looking at the price of the Nikons! </div></div>

The only thing I can gather thats 'fact' is that you don't have a clue what your talking about. Your talking about scope that you have absolutely no experience with what so ever and are going by something you read on the internet. I can pull up something that will tell you that a chi-com counter sniper is the greatest scope out there, but it sure don't make it true. Suggesting a nikon that barely offers a mil reticle much less a matched turret/reticle system in a thread the OP is looking at high end optics is just silly.
 
#26
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

this isnt the only source where the glass has been compared there are others also.

im not saying the NF is crap i was just saying that light transmission isnt the NF best feature.

why would a german also say that the NIKON a japanese scope has equal quality of the S&B and even better than Zeiss?

i have looked through NF as i know someone who ONLY buys NF. it was a nice scope but it wasnt a Zeiss or S&B. but it wasnt also the same price.

You can say what you want but your trigger time means nothing to me its just your opinion and i posted a link with a test which is far more specific than your mark 1 eyeball
 
#27
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: marsh1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The glass on a NF is no better than a Bushnell 6500 or even a Weaver of similar value. Light transmission in low light isnt up there with S&B, Zeiss etc.

but you probably get a rock solid scope with all the tactical features so if your only shooting in day light then there is no need to spend the extra $ on super high light transmission glass </div></div>

You are referencing a post on another forum that was taken from yet another source. The source was someone in Germany saying German glass is better. surprise surprise!! Why not leave it to people that have penty of trigger time with the product and are relaying first hand information.

Marshall
</div></div>

German Glass is better.

Who makes world class glass in America?

why do American scope makers use Japanese glass?

Why does the PVS14 and the Raptor have glass from Singapore?

i think you gotta give credit where credit is due.
 
#28
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

Hell I didn't even notice that. That right there should be enough to tell you that review isn't worth the space it takes up on the web.
 
#31
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

I dont own a Nikon but there are multiple threads on this forum going back years and they all say the NF isnt as bright as other scopes. i thought this was common info.

suppose you can never convince a fanboy.

me personally im not bothered 88% daytime light is good enough and when it gets dark ill use Gen 3 NV so twilight factor means nothing to me.
 
#32
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I dont own a Nikon but there are multiple threads on this forum going back years and they all say the NF isnt as bright as other scopes. i thought this was common info.

suppose you can never convince a fanboy.

me personally im not bothered 88% daytime light is good enough and when it gets dark ill use Gen 3 NV so twilight factor means nothing to me. </div></div>

lol I'm not a fanboy. Only NightForce I have I picked up off a prize table.
 
#33
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I dont own a Nikon but there are multiple threads on this forum going back years and they all say the NF isnt as bright as other scopes. i thought this was common info.

suppose you can never convince a fanboy.

me personally im not bothered 88% daytime light is good enough and when it gets dark ill use Gen 3 NV so twilight factor means nothing to me. </div></div>

lol I'm not a fanboy. Only NightForce I have I picked up off a prize table.</div></div>

Since light transmission isnt going to have any effect on picking up prizes in the daylight id imagine its a moot point?

im sure you will win prizes as there is nothing wrong with the scope.
 
#34
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this isnt the only source where the glass has been compared there are others also.

im not saying the NF is crap i was just saying that light transmission isnt the NF best feature.

why would a german also say that the NIKON a japanese scope has equal quality of the S&B and even better than Zeiss?

i have looked through NF as i know someone who ONLY buys NF. it was a nice scope but it wasnt a Zeiss or S&B. but it wasnt also the same price.

You can say what you want but your trigger time means nothing to me its just your opinion and i posted a link with a test which is far more specific than your mark 1 eyeball </div></div>

Your so quick to contradict yourself, but it happens when you don't know what your talking about. USO uses Schott glass but yet in another thread you are bashing the light transmission and in this one your saysng anything that doesn't have schott glass isn't shit, wonder if this is because you have no EXPERIENCE with it?

A standard NXS and a F1 are not the optical wise, the F1 has extremely good glass. I really don't care what some machine says in the long run what it looks like to the human eye is what matters and when there is a large group of people with said experience disagreeing with one guy going off some test I'm going to have to call BS.
 
#35
Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this isnt the only source where the glass has been compared there are others also.

im not saying the NF is crap i was just saying that light transmission isnt the NF best feature.

why would a german also say that the NIKON a japanese scope has equal quality of the S&B and even better than Zeiss?

i have looked through NF as i know someone who ONLY buys NF. it was a nice scope but it wasnt a Zeiss or S&B. but it wasnt also the same price.

You can say what you want but your trigger time means nothing to me its just your opinion and i posted a link with a test which is far more specific than your mark 1 eyeball </div></div>

Your so quick to contradict yourself, but it happens when you don't know what your talking about. USO uses Schott glass but yet in another thread you are bashing the light transmission and in this one your saysng anything that doesn't have schott glass isn't shit, wonder if this is because you have no EXPERIENCE with it?

A standard NXS and a F1 are not the optical wise, the F1 has extremely good glass. I really don't care what some machine says in the long run what it looks like to the human eye is what matters and when there is a large group of people with said experience disagreeing with one guy going off some test I'm going to have to call BS.</div></div>

Just because they use Schott glass doesnt make it a Zeiss scope.

the coatings are what make the glass work, the glass used is just for consistency. Not to mention there are cheaper grades of glass made by Schott.

Its a good job the world doesnt follow your ethos of human judgement is better than a machines precise testing. Human judgement is always flawed and skewed.

imagine trying to build a house with no measuring tools, "thats about level, yeh that looks ok"

you can argue all you like but where are the tests tht back up your claims Mr. Benchrest Warrior.
 
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Re: NF F1 or trade for Premier or S&B

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbransco</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey guys, I don't have the required number of posts to post in the WTT section so though I might gain a little knowledge/advice while offering my new NF. I can purchase a new Nightforce NXS 3-15x50 F1 Mildot reticle with Mil turrets through Amazon using gift certificates; however, I have it in my mind that I need a Premier or S&B. I have not looked through any of them in person. Do you guys think I am being foolish and should just get the NF, or do you think it would be worth it to trade it toward a Premier or S&B? The scope will be going on an 18" LWRC REPR .308. From what I have read, NF makes a great optic, but the things I am concerned about are the illumination control and the rotating ocular. I really like the Premier, but it is on the heavy side. The S&B seems excellent as well, but I don't believe the warranty is as good as the others.

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks. </div></div>

I've got a "there's no perfect scope attitude".Since I've talked to a few tactical shooters disgusted that their various brand approx $3000 scopes were breaking,not tracking right,etc.

It's really hard to beat a NF! IMO,There's that diminishing returns per dollar phenomenon happening.Speaking of that have you considered the new IOR 3-18x50? My 6-24x56 is impressive for the $.Good warranty too.
 
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