Looks good Scott... love this scope and didn't think I would. When it arrived I was doing the Ren & Stimpy Eyes, then after using it, I was hooked. Funny thing, I set up Kiana's Pink Ashbury with a 3-12x S&B and she immediately didn't want to use that scope. As luck had it, we were standing right next to NF Bill at the CT Swat Challenge when she opened the Ashbury for the first time. I asked her what scope she wanted instead of the S&B and she immediately picked the NF 2.5-10x 42.
@Biggy your Mils vs MOA is missing the mark and in this case Vern is wrong. Speed is not the factor at all... It's about consistency, as there is no true MOA standard across manufacturers. Many advertise MOA adjustments and delivery SMOA or IPHY, which at 1000 yards is a miss. Also there is no standard in reticles. If you have your NF with MOA and you go to communicate with a guy using a Leupold you are speaking two different languages. At the same SWAT Challenge an Attendee came up to me about this very topic and reported the following. He called several manufacturers on the subject and most had not idea which one they were using. In most cases someone in the technical department had to be asked to verify and most were using SMOA Turrets with TMOA reticles. There is no .1 mil to .1 mil relationship with MOA. You have 1/8th, 1/4, 1/2 or 1 MOA turrets and a variety of subtensions with their reticles. In fact no two companies use the same division for their reticle. There is no "1 mil" mark like with all Mil based scopes. MOA based reticles have a mix of sub tensions. 2 MOA, 5 MOA, 7 MOA which some people mistake as 2, 4 6... etc. The math given is generally wrong even with TMOA reticles. They all say * 100 instead of *95.5 so the errors are built in, which then compound.
Absolutely if you know your set up, you can be some what successful, but most do not know what they have because even the manufacturers get it wrong. They say one thing and provide the other. Speed is hardly a factor. What happens is they steer you wrong and everything from ballistic computer solutions to UKD targets are now all wrong. Crap rolls down hill and when the scope starts you out in a bad place, everything follows after that. The only way to truly know is to map it 100% which next to nobody does. Only then can you move on and it adds a lot more layers to the learning process.
Nightforce is very good with this, but don't try talking to your buddy in the same language, his scope, if not a NF is probably off.
@Biggy your Mils vs MOA is missing the mark and in this case Vern is wrong. Speed is not the factor at all... It's about consistency, as there is no true MOA standard across manufacturers. Many advertise MOA adjustments and delivery SMOA or IPHY, which at 1000 yards is a miss. Also there is no standard in reticles. If you have your NF with MOA and you go to communicate with a guy using a Leupold you are speaking two different languages. At the same SWAT Challenge an Attendee came up to me about this very topic and reported the following. He called several manufacturers on the subject and most had not idea which one they were using. In most cases someone in the technical department had to be asked to verify and most were using SMOA Turrets with TMOA reticles. There is no .1 mil to .1 mil relationship with MOA. You have 1/8th, 1/4, 1/2 or 1 MOA turrets and a variety of subtensions with their reticles. In fact no two companies use the same division for their reticle. There is no "1 mil" mark like with all Mil based scopes. MOA based reticles have a mix of sub tensions. 2 MOA, 5 MOA, 7 MOA which some people mistake as 2, 4 6... etc. The math given is generally wrong even with TMOA reticles. They all say * 100 instead of *95.5 so the errors are built in, which then compound.
Absolutely if you know your set up, you can be some what successful, but most do not know what they have because even the manufacturers get it wrong. They say one thing and provide the other. Speed is hardly a factor. What happens is they steer you wrong and everything from ballistic computer solutions to UKD targets are now all wrong. Crap rolls down hill and when the scope starts you out in a bad place, everything follows after that. The only way to truly know is to map it 100% which next to nobody does. Only then can you move on and it adds a lot more layers to the learning process.
Nightforce is very good with this, but don't try talking to your buddy in the same language, his scope, if not a NF is probably off.
