Rifle Scopes Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

[orkan]

Nightforce have a higher powered FFP mil/mil scope out yet? The 3.5-15 F1 would be the perfect scope, but I'm looking for a bit more magnification. I tried searching around... but wasn't able to find the answer.

Where they at with this?

 

[jasonk]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

No official news, just rumors, nothing announced at SHOT I'm told.

 

[rksimple]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

Nope, no official news. But I did see a one piece mount they're making that has 34mm rings. Maybe a hint.

 

[orkan]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

Damn. I just ordered a vortex razor, so I will compare that to my current 5.5-22x MOA/NP-R2 for now.

 

[Lowlight]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

There were a lot of NF clues being put out there at SHOT... I was standing at the counter talking to Kyle Brown when a "Hide" member came up asking questions. I had to interrupt the conversation several times because he was missing the "clues" being sent his way.

They are subtle, but they are out there.

 

[orkan]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

Too bad I can't engage targets with a "clue." hahaha Or maybe... if I had a "clue" I could...

I'm so confused. lol

 

[Rob01]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

I'd keep an eye out in about 6 months.

 

[LukeUSMC]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

5.5-22x50 FFP Mil/Mil with Velocity reticle would be awesome.

 

[OutRider]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

(DOH!)

 

[OutRider]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: orkan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nightforce have a higher powered FFP mil/mil scope out yet? The 3.5-15 F1 would be the perfect scope, but I'm looking for a bit more magnification. I tried searching around... but wasn't able to find the answer.

Where they at with this? </div></div>

...not fer nuthin, but why is the 3.5-15 F1 the perfect scope...???...

...why do you feel you need more X...???...

...I am not trying to be "clever" here...I really would like your thoughts, as I am grappling with such issues myself...

 

[orkan]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

Well, I simply like the extra magnification. The 22x of my current nxs is very nice. I probably don't "need" it, though I sure do "like" it. There are quite a few days where I can't use 22x effectively, but when I can, it is quite fun.

The 3.5-15 F1 seems to have all the features I'm looking for in an optic. Zero stop, mil turrets with mil FFP reticle, side focus, nice big turrets, etc. Hell... it probably IS the perfect scope. Maybe I don't need the magnification. I don't know. I wish I had the opportunity to get down behind one and bang on some steel to decide for myself.

 

[Rob01]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

Outrider if you want to see an F1 I can show you one sometime.

 

[OutRider]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

...thank you...I'm im MD rite now, but I get up that way often...

 

[High_Side16]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

I asked one of the Nightforce reps at Shot Show this specific question. He said that they're goal was to get the new FFP scope released this year, but they're was still work to do.




<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: orkan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nightforce have a higher powered FFP mil/mil scope out yet? The 3.5-15 F1 would be the perfect scope, but I'm looking for a bit more magnification. I tried searching around... but wasn't able to find the answer.

Where they at with this? </div></div>

 

[orkan]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

It seems like nightforce really missed the boat here. How does one of the biggest suppliers of tactical optics out there, and arguably the most reputable from a reliability standpoint... only have ONE FFP model to offer? lol They definitely lost money. I suppose if a guy has $100 and he loses 1 dollar, he probably doesn't care that much. I'm sure thats how they look at it.

I know they want to test everything for 10 years or some shit before they sell it, and I know it wouldn't serve them well if they rushed to launch and it started breaking... but damn...

Even bushnell came out with a damn FFP mil/mil!!! lol It just seems like nightforce is behind the curve here a bit.

My worry is, when they do finally come to the table with it... it'll be priced way too close to S$B... and lets face it... if its within a few hundred bucks... no way will I chose a nightforce over a S$B.

 

[Chiller]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

"why would we make a FFP model of their most popular model?".....

That was from a conversation at SHOT. Best guess was late Q2

 

[G and R]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: orkan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It seems like nightforce really missed the boat here. How does one of the biggest suppliers of tactical optics out there, and arguably the most reputable from a reliability standpoint... only have ONE FFP model to offer? lol They definitely lost money. I suppose if a guy has $100 and he loses 1 dollar, he probably doesn't care that much. I'm sure thats how they look at it.

I know they want to test everything for 10 years or some shit before they sell it, and I know it wouldn't serve them well if they rushed to launch and it started breaking... but damn...

Even bushnell came out with a damn FFP mil/mil!!! lol It just seems like nightforce is behind the curve here a bit.

My worry is, when they do finally come to the table with it... it'll be priced way too close to S$B... and lets face it... if its within a few hundred bucks... no way will I chose a nightforce over a S$B. </div></div>

I think a lot of it has to do with NF's long term sales projection. If they were to release the F1 models in both of there most popular magnifaction ranges, it could render previous non FFP models obsolete. I think they are hesitant to throw all of there eggs in the FFP basket. The bottom line is, people are still buying the 5.5-22 without the new features. If it isnt broke, dont break it...quite yet.

 

[orkan]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

Well, be that as it may... my non FFP scopes are going out the door as fast as I can move them.

I've got a 5.5-22x50 zero stop np-r2, moa knobs if anyone is intersted. lol

 

[rijndael]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Glock_and_roll</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it could render previous non FFP models obsolete.</div></div>

There are a lot of folks who prefer SFP reticles. FFP does not supersede SFP, they are two different tools.

I'll grant you that most folks here would prefer FFP, primarily because they are milling targets and shooting UKD, but this discipline is only one of many.

 

[rksimple]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rijndael</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I'll grant you that most folks here would prefer FFP, primarily because they are milling targets and shooting UKD, but this discipline is only one of many. </div></div>

Primarily its because we want to hold corrections at any power. When milling targets, one is typically very stable and at max power, rendering the apparent advantage of FFP somewhat moot. I've done better milling with a thin SFP reticle than I have with FFP's. Its when you need to hold corrections on multiple targets at multiple distances and/or lead that FFP truely shines.

But wasn't it too long ago that Nightforce wasn't even remotely interested in the FFP market? Said it wasn't necessary on a tactical scope or sumthin?

 

[rijndael]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rksimple</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Primarily its because we want to hold corrections at any power.</div></div>I was intending to lump things like multiple target engagements into that general UKD group. I'll be more specific next time.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rksimple</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When milling targets, one is typically very stable and at max power, rendering the apparent advantage of FFP somewhat moot.</div></div>
Mirage often keeps me from milling at 22X.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rksimple</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Said it wasn't necessary on a tactical scope or sumthin?</div></div>Everyone makes mistakes, how they handle the correction is most important.

 

[ReaperDriver]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

I found this thread on a google search. Back in Aug of 1008, Lowlight said expect Q4 of that year. Then this thread is saying 6 months from Jan 2010. That's like now.

What's the scoop on a NF 5.5-22x FFP with Mil/Mil? Still a pipe dream?

 

[Lowlight]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ReaperDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I found this thread on a google search. Back in Aug of 1008, Lowlight said expect Q4 of that year. Then this thread is saying 6 months from Jan 2010. That's like now.

What's the scoop on a NF 5.5-22x FFP with Mil/Mil? Still a pipe dream?</div></div>

Why would think it a pipe dream?

Do you think NF doesn't pay attention ?

It will be out when NF releases it, which they will do as they always do after they are satisfied there won't be any issues.

If you haven't been watching, NF doesn't put anything out only to apologize for it later. They test and evaluate for usually a year before the market ever sees it.

When they announce it I promise they will announce it here.

 

[bodywerks]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

When they announce it does that usually mean expect it to hit retailers in a matter of weeks, or months like some other manufacturers? I'd be interested in the np-r1 in FTP on the 5.5-22...

 

[ReaperDriver]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ReaperDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I found this thread on a google search. Back in Aug of 1008, Lowlight said expect Q4 of that year. Then this thread is saying 6 months from Jan 2010. That's like now.

What's the scoop on a NF 5.5-22x FFP with Mil/Mil? Still a pipe dream?</div></div>

Why would think it a pipe dream?

Do you think NF doesn't pay attention ?

It will be out when NF releases it, which they will do as they always do after they are satisfied there won't be any issues.

If you haven't been watching, NF doesn't put anything out only to apologize for it later. They test and evaluate for usually a year before the market ever sees it.

When they announce it I promise they will announce it here. </div></div>

Apparently I struck a nerve, sorry about that. Given that this question has been going on since Aug 2008 and promises (or at least strong predictions) of it hitting the streets in 6 months and then another 6 months and then another..... yes, its starting to approach "pipe dream" level.

And I'm sure NF is paying attention, but that wasn't my point. I was simply asking for an update to a 2 year old thread. I'm glad NF isn't rushing anything out prematurely - good on 'em. But I don't think its unreasonable to expect a company to give a reasonable prediction of when they think they'll release it - given that's its really not a huge technological challenge to overcome.

Its interesting though that's its gone from "2008 Q4" to "another 6 months" to "you'll get when you get it".

 

[Lowlight]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

4th Quarter 2008 was when the F1 was announced, people speculated the 5-22X would be released at the same time, however if you read everything in its entirety it clearly was not part of the initial release. So saying this has been going on since then, is false from a NF point of view. The F1 was released at that time, only the 15X model. The company never said a word about the 22X at that time, others did.

Since the release of the F1, NF then moved forward on the turrets going from 5 mils per turn to the release of 10 mils per turn, so one thing at a time. The fact they haven't followed the public's agenda, is just the way it is.

There is more to consider when you figure from going from the SFP scope to the FFP as well going from the 15X to the 22X, that means a complete redesign of the reticle so it works correctly.

You are cherry picking the parts without fully understanding the conversation.

 

[ReaperDriver]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">4th Quarter 2008 was when the F1 was announced, people speculated the 5-22X would be released at the same time, however if you read everything in its entirety it clearly was not part of the initial release. So saying this has been going on since then, is false from a NF point of view. The F1 was released at that time, only the 15X model. The company never said a word about the 22X at that time, others did.

Since the release of the F1, NF then moved forward on the turrets going from 5 mils per turn to the release of 10 mils per turn, so one thing at a time. The fact they haven't followed the public's agenda, is just the way it is.

There is more to consider when you figure from going from the SFP scope to the FFP as well going from the 15X to the 22X, that means a complete redesign of the reticle so it works correctly.

You are cherry picking the parts without fully understanding the conversation. </div></div>

Ok, fair enough. Any best guess then on the release of the 5.5-22x FFP other than "you'll see it when you see it"? I only ask because I'm trying to make a decision on a scope purchase and I'd like to have the option of the NF in my list. If its within the next couple months (by end of summer maybe), I can wait. If its an indefinite "you'll see it when you see it", then I'll drop NF from my list. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Lowlight]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

You won't see it this year, unless something drastically changes.

The new turrets aren't even out yet, though I know mine is being built now, so the odds of them moving forward on the 22x FFP inside 2010 is slim at best.

 

[ReaperDriver]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You won't see it this year, unless something drastically changes.

The new turrets aren't even out yet, though I know mine is being built now, so the odds of them moving forward on the 22x FFP inside 2010 is slim at best.

</div></div>

Ok, thanks!

 

[CSTactical]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

We have been asking Nightforce to do a FFP 5.5-22x or a 5-25x for a long time. We have been also asking them for a Numbered RET for years.

The more guys the put in the request the better chances it will happen.

 

[donws2]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

Spoke to a NF sales guy yesterday. There are new scopes coming but the scopes are not what the company feels they need to be to carry the NF logo and the company isn't going to sell the product until it meets all of their standards. I like the NF business model better than most where the company puts out crap to be first market and worry about fixing their shit later.

Donald

 

[96C]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

My next scope will be a 22x FFP NXS with mil adjustments whenever it becomes available for a .338 project, if they had a somewhat numbered reticle and slick 1/10 super low profile turrents that would be a big tick in the box I think.

It might be 'inconvenient' for the time being but at the end of the day your $2000+ (exciting Australian prices) optic is in ways more important than the rifle under it... Get it done right the first time or eat the dick of life for rushing.

It's always hard for big companies to avoid the hype involved with potential new products starting a snow ball like blood in water full of sharks... Everyone gets excited, pulls out their cash and buys "the next best" thing because they want whats not available YESTERDAY.

 

[1812]

Re: Nightforce 5.5-22 FFP mil/mil

Interesting thread. So you mean to tell me this scope manufacture isn't hyping the shit out of a product that doesn't exist, plastering images of it across the interwebs, offering it to dealers to put up for "sale" on their websites so they can take pre orders without even having an estimated arrival date?

Novel business practice they've got there...