Rifle Scopes nightforce vs usoptics

#52
Re: nightforce vs usoptics

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AverageJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">USO... No Comparison your talking High End Vs. Not So High End. Dont get me wrong NF is no Tasco but its really Apples to Oranges. At the end of the day its all about the Dollar. If you can afford USO or S&B or now Premier go that route. If not NF is as good a option.<span style="font-size: 17pt"> <span style="font-weight: bold">The wallet rules all in this decision</span>..</span> </div></div>


do you know what apples and oranges look like?
 
#53
Re: nightforce vs usoptics

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Loongshot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AverageJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">USO... No Comparison your talking High End Vs. Not So High End. Dont get me wrong NF is no Tasco but its really Apples to Oranges. At the end of the day its all about the Dollar. If you can afford USO or S&B or now Premier go that route. If not NF is as good a option.<span style="font-size: 17pt"> <span style="font-weight: bold">The wallet rules all in this decision</span>..</span> </div></div>


do you know what apples and oranges look like? </div></div>

Hey opinions are like assholes. I have mine and you have yours.

I've owned NF and I GAVE them away to my kids friends. I would'nt do that with my USO's or S&B's. Its preference and I made my choice. Some people swear by them I just dont... That was some time ago. Maybe there better... But I wasnt impressed. If I shoot next to someone that has one ill give it a swing again but im not going to run out and buy one without looking through it before hand...
 
#55
Re: nightforce vs usoptics

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AverageJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I've owned NF and I GAVE them away to my kids friends. I would'nt do that with my USO's or S&B's. </div></div>

Congrats. It takes talent to sound like a tool by just stating that you used to have some NFs and replaced them with something else. But, like stated above, if you have anymore useless shit laying around, let me know and I may be able to take some of it off your hands.
 
#57
Re: nightforce vs usoptics

Ive shot through many scopes including S&B which is suppose to be the best. I can buy what I want and there isnt multiple S&B in my safe, but there is NF. I just cant see any difference to justify the cost difference, which I believe has alot to do with being made in euro and marketing, im not saying they dont offer some advantages, im saying whatever it is I dont know about it ,see it , or think its worth it. Im dropping down the food chain on my glass from now on. Utility will rule my buying desicions.
 
#58
Re: nightforce vs usoptics

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AverageJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've owned NF and I GAVE them away to my kids friends. </div></div>

Don't you believe it!
 
#59
Re: nightforce vs usoptics

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MarcS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

It's mildly annoying that the entire ocular piece rotates when adjusting the power setting but I can live with that. Just give us more on the elevation knob please sir!

Marc </div></div>

I have a hard time picturing you doing that, Marc, but it would have been priceless to watch!

Bill - Marc is right, 1/2MOA adjustment/as much adjustment per turn is probably the last feature required to make the jump from a 50-cal target scope pedigree into the ground-up made-for-tactical slot. I've been kicking out my other optics for NXS's for a while now, and unfortunately I still feel as if I would be compromising with the F1 with the same turrets. It seems hard to justify the leap into that price bracket when all the features are still not exactly tuned for the application. My 0.02.
 
#60
Re: nightforce vs usoptics

Nightforce, USO and S&B all make fine scopes. The glass in all 3 is the same outstanding quality.

USO does allow you to go crazy with the customizations, and if you are really into tweaking a scope like a rifle, then go for it. They definitely have the an aura of being the best, but frankly I personally don't see it.

I'd bet that most of us learned to shoot and toted whatever we were given. We adapted to the platform, not view versa.

I recall about 7 years ago getting in line for a USO scope. And I waited, and waited. It sounds like they have worked out their production issues, which is great.

I have an S&B which is a fantastic scope. But that is on a hunting rifle. All my tactical rifles have NF sitting on top of them. I was living in NC at the time and got to know some of the bench rest guys pretty well. Hawk's Ridge is a 1000 yard range in the mountains there they tend to haunt. They almost to a man use NF scopes. They believe that the glass is that good. And you'll not find a more picky and unforgiving group of shooters.

I also intorduced them to the joys of tactical rifles at one of the farms there. I was taking a lot of crap until they saw the performance. Pulled the Barrett 82 A1 out, and was lucky to get it back! They were friggin lined up like kids at an E ticket ride at Disney. Seeing Bill Shehane behind the trigger of a barrett was a sight to behold.

That Barrett semi is very rough on scopes. I have seen many take a dump from the sustained recoil. Not Nightforce. Just keeps holding zero and performing the same as the day it was mounted.

Can't really go wrong with any of the big three. It just boils down to what works best for you. Some guys like blonmdes, some like brunettes and some insane guys like redheads (I was married to one once).
 
#61
Re: nightforce vs usoptics

I like them both but lean towards USO. They are local to me and it's nice to sit down with them and design your own scope. Like most, I don't use them for work. I like and will continue to recommend the NSX to people looking to move into the high end scopes but not willing to spend $3K.

This has already been mentioned but I think the knobs on the NSX just suck. I cannot imagine that after all these years they haven't made a knob with more travel per revolution, it just blows my mind. S&B and USO have been doing it for a long time. I'm no optical designer but there doesn't seem to be a negative side to having that feature.

I'll continue to have USO's built just the way I like them for now.
 
#74
Re: nightforce vs usoptics

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This has already been mentioned but I think the knobs on the NSX just suck. I cannot imagine that after all these years they haven't made a knob with more travel per revolution, it just blows my mind. S&B and USO have been doing it for a long time. I'm no optical designer but there doesn't seem to be a negative side to having that feature.</div></div>

Nighforce does offer a 55 MOA per single revolution knob for their scopes. It's one of those things where people don't know about it so they don't order it. I have 2 scopes with is knob on it.

The new F1 will soon be available with it as well as I understand it, so you get the zero stop, plus 55 MOA per revolution, Made in America Front Focal plane, it's a pretty good choice, I am sure will be more available in 2009 as they add it to their catalog.

Just tell your NF dealer what you want, don't go by what they have available.

here is the turret, 55 MOA
Gladius19.jpg

 
#76
Re: nightforce vs usoptics

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: s.i.t.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i see lowlight, but what about a 26 moa with 1/4 inch nob. thats what im looking for. im limited to 600 yards but i mostly shoot either 100 or 200</div></div>

I would just get a zero stop and dial it, you have no real need for single turn knob, it's more a want, if that is the case step up to something more expensive with bigger turrets. If you went with mils you would only need to be on the second turn, its about 1.3 of an inch, over a 1/4.

Single turn knobs are more for people doing multiple targets and distances so they don't get lost on the turret, of your just shooting around it's not a big deal.

But switching to mils would offer you more elevation per turn with just about anyone.
 
#78
Re: nightforce vs usoptics

All have alot of nice things about them, but when it comes right down to it (FFP, zero stop, etc...) leupold !!!! US optics just don't hold up, Night Force adjustable zero stops are great but got to have that FFP, pulling NF off MK 13 now and mounting leupolds
 
#80
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dpkdavis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All have alot of nice things about them, but when it comes right down to it (FFP, zero stop, etc...) leupold !!!! US optics just don't hold up, Night Force adjustable zero stops are great but got to have that FFP, pulling NF off MK 13 now and mounting leupolds </div></div>

USOs "don't hold up"??? That seems to be way off from everything I've heard about them. Do you have any personal experience with them failing?

RE the NF vs Leupold thing... I've owned both NXS and a Mk4. The Mk4 is now gone and I am looking to replace it with a NXS or USO.
 
#81
Re: nightforce vs usoptics

i agree, leopold has an ffp at 1700 and it even has 15 moa of adjustment on elevation if you count the zero as 15. night force may beat it with quality, but when it comes to the ffp, leupold definetly beats the price
 
#82
Re: nightforce vs usoptics

Nightforce FFP. USO is similar quality as NF and they give you the most choices when it comes to options for their scopes. Personally I have a hard time getting past the bulk and size of them.
 
#83
Re: nightforce vs usoptics

selecting optics is all about balancing compromises to put YOUR use in the "sweet spot" of the optics performance range. size and bulk are a by-product of putting priority on optical and mechanical performance. like 5x zoom, large field of view, generous exit pupil, and the like.

now, i do agree that USO has some physically large scopes, i have one on my physically large rifle that can utilize the extra optical performance that caused the bulk.

then, my mid-weight wears a 3.5-15 NF.

so imo, which you choose depends on your intended use.
 
#85
Re: nightforce vs usoptics

I'd really like to get an idea on the percentage of each manufacturers annual returns/repairs.
e.g. If 1000 go out the door, how many are duds?

Thus far I've not seen an NXS headed back for repair, although I'm certain it's happened. On the other hand I've seen 2 USOs bite the dust. Experiences (truths only, don't bash one because you own the other)?
 
#88
Re: nightforce vs usoptics

I've got 3.5-15x50mm & 5.5-22x56mm NXS's.

Also an IOR 3-18x42mm "Snipers Hide Edition".

I've tried twice to order a US Optics. Too many choices and no descriptions of the various options. I just gave up half way through the process each time.

I'll probably purchase one of the Nightforce FFP scopes once they become available to the public. Fewer options = less hassle than US Optics.

Mike
 
#90
Re: nightforce vs usoptics

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Michael Aos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I've tried twice to order a US Optics. Too many choices and no descriptions of the various options. I just gave up half way through the process each time.

</div></div>

Next time you're in the mood, just give them a call, they will walk you through all the options.

As for the topic at hand, I've just barely been able to acquire my first USO, an SN3 that is in Brea getting a zero stop installed on my 12moa/rev turret. I was a turn off at the last match I shot and blew the first two shots (costing me the match I'm sure).
When I posted here wondering if anyone had devised a way to zero stop a USO #1 turret, the first response I got was a PM from USO telling me if I wanted a zero stop, just send it on in.
I think that's pretty good CS.

The new FFP zerostop NF sounds great, I just don't forsee being able to get one to try out, but if I have a friend that has one I will definately beg a try. The ocular turning with power change has always kinda freaked my out though........
 
#91
Re: nightforce vs usoptics

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HHCF-00</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd really like to get an idea on the percentage of each manufacturers annual returns/repairs.
e.g. If 1000 go out the door, how many are duds?

Thus far I've not seen an NXS headed back for repair, although I'm certain it's happened. On the other hand I've seen 2 USOs bite the dust. Experiences (truths only, don't bash one because you own the other)? </div></div>

How about this.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...true#Post288751
 
#92
Re: nightforce vs usoptics

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Michael Aos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I've tried twice to order a US Optics. Too many choices and no descriptions of the various options. I just gave up half way through the process each time.

</div></div>

Next time you're in the mood, just give them a call, they will walk you through all the options.

As for the topic at hand, I've just barely been able to acquire my first USO, an SN3 that is in Brea getting a zero stop installed on my 12moa/rev turret. I was a turn off at the last match I shot and blew the first two shots (costing me the match I'm sure).
When I posted here wondering if anyone had devised a way to zero stop a USO #1 turret, the first response I got was a PM from USO telling me if I wanted a zero stop, just send it on in.
I think that's pretty good CS.

The new FFP zerostop NF sounds great, I just don't forsee being able to get one to try out, but if I have a friend that has one I will definately beg a try. The ocular turning with power change has always kinda freaked my out though........ </div></div>
even though i am a nightforce guy, i will be the first to admit that there is no company on this planet that can beat the CS of uso.

bench
 
#93
US Optics or NightForce???

Looking to purchase my first "long range" scope and have been looking hard at US Optics and NightForce. The scope will be riding on a .308 build from GAP. Looking at the US Optics SN 3 1.8-10x44 and the NF 3.5-10x50 NXS.

I have been using Schmidt & Bender - mainly hunting style scopes (Zenith 1.5-6x42 and the Klassik 3-12x42) and love them, but right now I can't afford a S&B PM II.

I want a simple scope to use, I don't need all the bells and whistles.

Thanks for the help.

 
#94
Re: US Optics or NightForce???

I've gotta NF and its freakin awesome! does absolutely everything I need it to do. tracks perfectly. very, very nice scope. if you go us optics you might be in the S&B range, money-wise anyway. just my .02 update: I still was higly impressed with the NXS but the ocular turning with mag adjustment started to wear me out. so, after looking at several of the sales of the Sn3 Tpal for sale, I decided to sell th NF to try a USO or, possibly a S&B PMII or a premier. now, i just need to get my hands on one of each of the scopes im interested in and decide which one i want.
 
#96
Re: US Optics or NightForce???

For me there is no question, U.S.O. all the way. I am a 47 year old life long tool & die machinist in the manufacturing industry. Things cost more for two reasons, greed or quality.
John and Arnold gave me a tour of there manufacturing facility a couple years back and again last year. Most all components are built in house on top notch C.N.C. equipment with tight tolerances. I know this as I looked at some of there prints. This alows for quality control to be and is tightly controled. Material choices are top notch to give extremly long life.
I go all over the country qualifying venders for the company I manage. If I were qualifying U.S.O. to supply components for me they would get a top notch revue. The way they do things is not the cheapest way to go about it if all you are concerned in is turning the most profit. But they are concerned in turning a quality product first, making a living second and there customer service is second to non.
I have two of there scopes and plan on replacing all my non U.S.O. scopes with theres. They are by far the finist scope on the market in my opinion, hands down. I have not heard to many bad things about night force. I do know there scopes are assembled with outsourced components but do not know if U.S. or China.

Jay Seaquist
[email protected]
 
#97
Re: US Optics or NightForce???

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=882339&gonew=1#UNREAD

15% off year end sale at USO until Janruary 6th!

US optics SN3 1.8-10x
Base price $1545

Fixed - Standard Option
44mm Low Profile - Standard Option
EREK 1/10 MIL - 175.00
U.S. #1 1/10 MIL - Standard Option
30mm - Standard Option
Matte Black Type III Hard Anodizing - Standard Option
Mil-Dot - Standard Option
No Reticle Lighting selected.
No Eyepiece Housing selected.
No Eyepiece selected.

$1720 *

$1720-$258 (15%)= $1462

thats pretty cheap. You could omit the EREK knob but i dont believe its a bell or whistle but a genuine improvemnt. Personally I'd add the ERGO upgrade ($200) and you can play with the reticle and elevation and windage adjustments as you chose. Can you get a nightforce for $1462? Certainly cant get one of the new FFP Nightforces for this price and this scope is FFP.

 
#98
Re: US Optics or NightForce???

Might also want to ask about the new 2.5-12 TPAL they released a few weeks ago. I haven't managed to get all the details in regards to price or available reticles yet, but it seems like a nice sweet spot between the 10x and the 15x while still retaining a similar weight and size to the 10x. The SN3 17x is a hoss, no two ways about it.


 
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