Rifle Scopes Nightforce Wedge Prism

[Lowlight]

I saw this at SHOT 2 years ago, this was behind the scenes and was something I referred too as a winner

As Nightforce fans continue to push the boundaries of what is possible for target distances, some riflescopes lack the necessary elevation travel. We created the Wedge Prism with extreme long range shooters in mind.

The Wedge Prism is a clip-on accessory that mounts to a forward or continuous MIL-STD 1913 Picatinny rail to increase the effective elevation travel. It optically shifts the incoming image to the riflescope by a precise elevation value, which directly adds to the available elevation travel within any riflescope.

Key Features:

• 50 MOA/14.5 MRAD* or 100 MOA/29.1 MRAD* elevation shift variants available for extreme
long-range use
• Quick Detach MIL-STD 1913 attachment ensures consistent elevation shift when installed
in the field
• Compatible with all brands of riflescopes
• Exact elevation shift measured for each unit and engraved for reference in the field
Includes: MOLLE padded carry case, flip cap lens cover, lens cleaning cloth.

* The listed optical shift is a nominal value. The actual shift varies slightly and is measured and engraved on each unit.

Super Small, super light, does the same thing as the Charlie Tarac

 

[lash]

Wow! I can definitely see this as a winner. It should give Charlie Tarac a run for the money.

 

[leftyk82]

I wonder how mount/ring height differences are dealt with? I would assume the NF product needs to be in perfect or near perfect alignment with the center of the optic.

 

[Lowlight]

They sat on it for a while, but it's definitely a game-changer in terms of size, weight, and capability to extend the range of your system.

This was my favorite product, but they kept it under wraps for a while.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

Price?

 

[Fig]

That's pretty cool, but how does it shift the light? It doesn't look like it has a prism in it like others I've seen that are way larger and more clunky. Is it like polarization or something?

 

[tomcfc11]

Said $990 on soldier systems.

 

[Lowlight]

Guys,

the questions of, Butt, butt, does it ...

they have tested this, it works, it's just a full-on lens it's not like the Tarac with the Mirrors and such

This adds elevation, it's not something that changes a bunch of variables, it would be like screwing on a ND Filter or Polarizer or anything else people can add in front of a scope or lense system like a camera

 

[b6graham]

$990 MSRP per Nightforce on FB

 

[toader]

$990......WOW!!

 

[northern50]

Looks like the same concept as the Alpha Tarac. That’s speculation, don’t chastise me.. One nice thing is Nf will probably have availability without a wait list.

 

[CSTactical]

Wow, we'll need to pick some up

 

[Arc Light]

$990......WOW!!

Hard to justify at that price. But at least NF didn't price it at $1990

 

[Long Range 338]

Somebody is gonna sell a pile of these

 

[Lowlight]

Yes,

it's similar to the flip up Alphas, same concept

consider this too, for 22s because it's so small and light

 

[hk dave]

This is so cool... I mean I have absolutely no use for it, but I can see how this will be useful for ELR. Great job Nightforce!

 

[Mr.BR]

NF really 990$ !!
Seriously where do they find the 600+$ extra value over flip up Alphas

 

[Lowlight]

I guess John is going on the attack over the release of this,

I know there was some tension early, does not appear to be resolved

Oops

 

[Tree]

Would be nice if it could clip on instead if needed rail real estate in front of the optic.

 

[NoLegs24]

TacomHQ ain’t happy ???

 

[Lowlight]

I saw ones that threaded on like a sunshade

 

[NoLegs24]

It’s going to get ugly haha

 

[lash]

Well, that escalated quickly.

 

[lash]

NF really 990$ !!
Seriously where do they find the 600+$ extra value over flip up Alphas

It’s to pay for the legal fees...

 

[alpine44]

I saw ones that threaded on like a sunshade

I like that better. Why add two more glass surfaces with a rail-mounted prism that will catch dust, rain, and mud?

 

[alpine44]

Found this on tacomhq's website:

"Increase max point-blank (MPB) range of weapons by 40-100%"

I am going to raise the BS flag on that. MPBR is a function of the bullet trajectory (the flatter, the further out is the MPBR) and has nothing to do with how you optically shift your POA.

They mean: Increase your zero range by x percent

 

[b6graham]

Found this on tacomhq's website:

"Increase max point-blank (MPB) range of weapons by 40-100%"

I am going to raise the BS flag on that. MPBR is a function of the bullet trajectory (the flatter, the further out is the MPBR) and has nothing to do with how you optically shift your POA.

They mean: Increase your zero range by x percent

well if you now have 2 zero's you effectively increase your MPBR, one for each zero

but you're not dialing, just flipping the lens up

 

[alpine44]

That's pretty cool, but how does it shift the light? It doesn't look like it has a prism in it like others I've seen that are way larger and more clunky. Is it like polarization or something?

It's a piece of glass with non-parallel surfaces. Like this. The deviation angle in the second picture is the mils you are adding.

They have some balls asking a grand or more for this even if you consider mount, multi-coating, etc.

 

[alpine44]

well if you now have 2 zero's you effectively increase your MPBR, one for each zero

but you're not dialing, just flipping the lens up

We are probably talking about two different things.

I use this definition for MPBR. No dialing, holding-over, flipping, or anything else. Just aim and send it from zero to MPBR.

If you create a second zero with the wedge up, be aware that the range where the bullet hits the target with this new zero does not extend back to the muzzle. At close range you will overshoot. That is not 'point blank' in my definition.

I know what they are trying to say. They just use the wrong term IMO.

 

[AIAW]

It’s going to get ugly haha

Yep, REAL ugly! NF booth probably going to be set on fire at SHOT...

As much as I want to root for the little guy, I don't think they have a case here given the attachment method differences alone.

 

[northern50]

I saw ones that threaded on like a sunshade

How do the thread on versions account for leveling the prism? Rotated from vertical you would be adding wind, or worse 180 off it would be removing elevation. Thread somewhat on and level with a lock ring?

 

[just browsing]

One would think NF had their ducks in a row with regards to differences in design, potential patent infringement, etc. before announcing it.

Sad as it is, I don’t foresee the small guy making out too well here.

 

[phlegethon]

TacomHQ ain’t happy ???

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If that’s true, it’s a shame and people should really think hard about supporting this kind of infringement. So many in the shooting community are up in arms about not buying Chinese products and then are fine with stuff like Zermatt violating Vudoo’s magazine patent.

 

[lash]

If that’s true, it’s a shame and people should really think hard about supporting this kind of infringement. So many in the shooting community are up in arms about not buying Chinese products and then are fine with stuff like Zermatt violating Vudoo’s magazine patent.

Wait a minute. I thought that Voodoo came into that thread and said that they are aware of the Zermat mag use. It’s their mag. Did I miss something?

 

[JFComfort]

I haven't gotten the ELR/ULR bug yet but that cool.

 

[lash]

This is just a variation of the tacom idea. The tacom uses mirrors and has a lot more elevation. I don’t see how this is a patent infringement, just the same concept. With the micro thing being a couple hundred dollars less then the NF I can see plenty of people sticking with tacom.

Actually, the Alpha and Bravo Tarac are simply lenses. The Alpha Tarac is no doubt the inspiration for this optic accessory. You are confusing it with the Charlie Tarac.

 

[Lowlight]

This is just a variation of the tacom idea. The tacom uses mirrors and has a lot more elevation. I don’t see how this is a patent infringement, just the same concept. With the micro thing being a couple hundred dollars less then the NF I can see plenty of people sticking with tacom.

Taccom has the same style product the Alpha, it's a single flip-up lenses system

 

[NoLegs24]

30gay for the win!!

 

[JakeM]

Actually, the Alpha and Bravo Tarac are simply lenses. The Alpha Tarac is no doubt the inspiration for this optic accessory. You are confusing it with the Charlie Tarac.

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Sorry, only knew of the big box things they mounted to the scope.

 

[TheGerman]

I'm lost.

The NF version is similiar to the TARAC Alpha that sells for $300.

I haven't compared them against each other as far as what they are supposed to give you as far as total extra adjustment, but what am I missing in that the NF version is listed above at 3x the price?

Or is the ALPHA only for RDS and the Charlie/Delta versions that are much larger and more expensive are the units the much smaller NF unit would compete against/replace? If thats the case, the NF is totally a step up.

 

[Just Macca]

Does your rifles objective lens need to be a specific height above the mounting rail? As in if you are using a scope mount with cant inbuilt it will not function correctly or give a full image etc?

 

[koshkin]

Didn't John license this out to Umarex for the Axeon product line? in addition to making his own product?

If Umarex jumps into the fray, this can get really entertaining really quickly.

Using a precision prism is a good idea and how well the lawsuit will go over really depends on how John wrote the original patent. I will need to dig it up and read it.

ILya

 

[koshkin]

Does your rifles objective lens need to be a specific height above the mounting rail? As in if you are using a scope mount with cant inbuilt it will not function correctly or give a full image etc?

As long as the entire objective is smaller or smaller than the prism, it does not have to be linedu up to the center of it. The objective does have to be entirely contained within the area of the prism.

ILya

 

[JB.IC]

NF is getting eaten alive on social media

 

[Lowlight]

I didn't do it

 

[MACHTECH]

Well shit. That kinda sucks! I'll stick with tacomhq though. We're kinda all in with them already!

 

[Pappasniper]

Very very interesting. Go right on my MWS guns and can flip it from one gun to another. Like a spotting scope, you only need one. Buy once ....

PB

 

[phlegethon]

Wait a minute. I thought that Voodoo came into that thread and said that they are aware of the Zermat mag use. It’s their mag. Did I miss something?

I think Vudoo said they had agreements woot Berger’s and maybe Curtis. They’ve definitely said they aren’t working with Zermat.

 

[Steel+Killer]

How do the thread on versions account for leveling the prism? Rotated from vertical you would be adding wind, or worse 180 off it would be removing elevation. Thread somewhat on and level with a lock ring?

Probably the same way that the S&B polarization filter works once screwed on the prism lens can be rotated to the correct position.

 

[Ratmansqullius]

I'm lost.

The NF version is similiar to the TARAC Alpha that sells for $300.

I haven't compared them against each other as far as what they are supposed to give you as far as total extra adjustment, but what am I missing in that the NF version is listed above at 3x the price?

Or is the ALPHA only for RDS and the Charlie/Delta versions that are much larger and more expensive are the units the much smaller NF unit would compete against/replace? If thats the case, the NF is totally a step up.

So the Alpha TARAC is often used in conjunction with red dots and LPVOs but TACOMHQ has made higher MOA/mil versions available the entire time they've (we- full disclosure, I work for them- though all posts an opinions offered by me are not representative of TACOMHQ) been in business. In fact, there is a model that attaches to the scope objective via magnets, just like the Charlie -pic attached. The original incarnation of the Charlie TARAC looks oddly similar to the one NF just "invented."

The original incarnation of the Charlie was designed to be small and lightweight and was originally available in the ~50 MOA and ~10-20 mil ranges. However the first military orders were all upwards of 30mil (mostly 50mil) and that required more clarity under magnification than can be granted by an optical wedge without incurring a lot of extra headache and cost.
That could be a contributing factor to the price of the NF. I like to give a company the benefit of the doubt. That being said I personally may or may not have been in a meeting with 2 companies' CEOs where one offered the other a licensing deal, which was turned down in favor of.. this? Should be a fun week at SHOT!