No childhood vaccine is tested
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Yet here we all are not (actually) autistic, magic. The fact the majority of people live and don’t get the disease’s you’re vaccinated against is pretty good proof it works pretty well. Just because the covid bullshit wasn’t tested doesn’t mean everything isn’t.
This site looks straight out of the early 2000s and talks about retarded shit like gang stalking.
“The ABC news program 20/20 aired a story in 1999 claiming that the hepatitis B vaccine caused sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). The story included a picture of a 1-month-old girl who died of SIDS only 16 hours after receiving the second dose of hepatitis B vaccine.
At the time of introduction of the hepatitis B vaccine for routine use in all infants, about 5,000 children died every year from SIDS. Within 10 years of the introduction of the hepatitis B vaccine the use of the vaccine increased to about 90 percent of all infants and the incidence of SIDS in that group decreased dramatically to about 1,600 cases each year.
The cause of the decrease in SIDS cases was the introduction of the “Back to Sleep” program by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP).
However, since immunizations are given to about 90 percent of children less than 1 year of age, and about 1,600 cases of SIDS occur every year, it would be expected, statistically, that every year about 50 cases of SIDS will occur within 24 hours of receipt of a vaccine. However, because the incidence of SIDS is the same in children who do or do not receive vaccines, we know that SIDS is not caused by vaccines.”
So a claim a couple decades ago is just bro science fact now, next you’ll discover essential oils and try to get everyone to join young living under you. You’re about a decade late for the anti-vax train.
Let’s not forget Vox day is a science fiction writer
This site looks straight out of the early 2000s and talks about retarded shit like gang stalking.
“The ABC news program 20/20 aired a story in 1999 claiming that the hepatitis B vaccine caused sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). The story included a picture of a 1-month-old girl who died of SIDS only 16 hours after receiving the second dose of hepatitis B vaccine.
At the time of introduction of the hepatitis B vaccine for routine use in all infants, about 5,000 children died every year from SIDS. Within 10 years of the introduction of the hepatitis B vaccine the use of the vaccine increased to about 90 percent of all infants and the incidence of SIDS in that group decreased dramatically to about 1,600 cases each year.
The cause of the decrease in SIDS cases was the introduction of the “Back to Sleep” program by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP).
However, since immunizations are given to about 90 percent of children less than 1 year of age, and about 1,600 cases of SIDS occur every year, it would be expected, statistically, that every year about 50 cases of SIDS will occur within 24 hours of receipt of a vaccine. However, because the incidence of SIDS is the same in children who do or do not receive vaccines, we know that SIDS is not caused by vaccines.”
So a claim a couple decades ago is just bro science fact now, next you’ll discover essential oils and try to get everyone to join young living under you. You’re about a decade late for the anti-vax train.
Let’s not forget Vox day is a science fiction writer
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If the above links and information elicit such a response, you sound like a true believer in vaccines, and I have nothing more to offer you.
Good luck.
You have no real argument. I don’t have to have certain beliefs just to call out a retard. You copy and paste shit without researching anything yourself.
I’m no mathematician, but I’ll get close enough to make a point.
In 2021 there was over 3.5 million babies born in the US. If I’m reading it right the study you showed above was around a 16 year period and let’s pretend the 2021 trend is every year, that’s 56,000,000 babies and the link shows 1469 child deaths reported(2149 total 0-100 years) over that period. Wouldn’t that be .003% or something close possibly caused by vaccines?
79.4% that were vaccinated that day is about 1166 deaths out of 56,000,000 babies, or about .002% of all children born over a 16 year period. That’s pretty good odds that some kids could die the day of vaccination just on the huge quantity alone.
72-73 die yearly do to vaccines out of over 3.5 million going by that. About 2300 a year die from SIDS and the 73 is about 3% of that total. For comparison sids alone in 1960 over 10,000 babies died.
Even if my math is completely fucked up(which wouldn’t surprise me)the main numbers show things are going pretty well.
There’s always a chance putting a foreign substance in your body is going to potentially cause harm, but you saw a post by one guy with a scary number and ran with it obviously not knowing the big picture.
Now if you want to talk covid shots it’s suspicious.
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You’re almost 550% more likely to get struck by lightning every year than child deaths attributed to vaccines.
almost 2000 kids die a year (5.36 daily) from abuse in the US, that’s hundreds more in 1 year than the total 16 year study you posted.
4500 die from medical malpractice yearly,
if the 73 is part of that total it’s up to a whopping 1.6%. Where’s the outrage for the 4500? That’s 72,000 over your 16 year period. 70,832 minus the 73 yearly reported vaccine deaths.
almost 2000 kids die a year (5.36 daily) from abuse in the US, that’s hundreds more in 1 year than the total 16 year study you posted.
4500 die from medical malpractice yearly,
- Birth injuries: Brain damage can occur if there are delays in a C-section, improper use of forceps, or failure to monitor fetal distress.
- Misdiagnosis or delayed diagnosis: Serious conditions like sepsis, meningitis, or a congenital heart defect can lead to death.
- Medication errors: The wrong medication or an incorrect dosage may be given to a child.
if the 73 is part of that total it’s up to a whopping 1.6%. Where’s the outrage for the 4500? That’s 72,000 over your 16 year period. 70,832 minus the 73 yearly reported vaccine deaths.
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"Death atrributed to a vaccine" ya we saw how reliable the reporting systemn is for vaccine deaths and injuries. Pretending the fake covid vaccine was the only one they did that with. 
it doesn't have to kill you to do major damage. Like everything else, so people are more susceptible to injury and death than others.
it doesn't have to kill you to do major damage. Like everything else, so people are more susceptible to injury and death than others.
This is the most retarded argument against vaccines I’ve ever seen. NNT, NNH. Does that mean anything to you? Do you have any idea how statistics work? Pitiful.
Polio and Smallpox vaccines seem to have been effective. Thankfully.
Eh. Can't remember where I read it last but both of those were already coming down before the vaccines were rolled out for them. Proper hygiene did more to reduce especially polio than the vaccine.
The prevalence of all disease was plummeting because of better awareness of the importance of personal hygiene. Then the nanny class had to “run to the front of the parade” to advocate for a treatment that wasn’t really necessary.
Everything about covid was a completely different situation"Death atrributed to a vaccine" ya we saw how reliable the reporting systemn is for vaccine deaths and injuries. Pretending the fake covid vaccine was the only one they did that with.
My wife....holy shit do I ever get tired of all of the different fucking smells emanating from all over the fucking place. It's not as bad as it once was...one of my brothers use to have his house stinking like something using a scent sending machine of some sort. One day he handed me a couple bottles of water that came from his house. I could taste that shit, through the plastic bottle. So could my wife and I think it opened her eyes some. Brother, too, because his house doesn't reek of whatever that stench was (lilac?) anymore.
The thing that people forget is that people die.
Something like 3 million Americans die each and every year.
People die from all sorts of shit at all sorts of ages.
We are not immortal.
Never in the history of mankind has there ever been a documented case of immortality.
It is safe to say that every human ever born has died or will die.
That also means that every single baby born yesterday, today and tomorrow will die.
We should outlaw breeding by some of them.
Which part specifically was a different situation? The part where Pharma has a stranglehold on the majority of health care providers the United States? Or was it the part where Pharma provides 75% of the ad budget to MSM?
I cant imagine how pediatric vaccines could possibly be wrapped up in the covid shit show money grab when they make up roughy 40% of annual income for pediatricians. The vaccine schedule increased from 12 shots to 54 in my lifetime. Nah, it's definitely not a money grab... completely different situation.
As an example polio was actually fucking people up, covid was questionable at best in many situations. Politics weren’t the same during the time many childhood vaccines were created, and more than likely they weren’t created through gain of function research in a questionable lab the way covid was.
People kept their kids home during polio because they were suffering life changing/ending medical issues, covid people stayed home because they are pussies.
They weren’t putting random sick kids in iron lungs, but they’d put people on ventilators who didn’t need it for money.
But what does that have to do with picking a sentence that makes a situation sound hundreds or thousands of times worse than it actually is? Not being a dick I’m just confused lol
These retards don’t know I haven’t seen a doctor in decades and I’ll probably die of something stupid. I’ve set my own broken bones and glued wounds shut instead of getting stitches, but I can do math okay.
Also apparently being able to interpret info 100% equates to your own opinions.
Also apparently being able to interpret info 100% equates to your own opinions.
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Saying don't be too alarmed by all the rhetoric and nonsense...and you are not, not saying you are. More just adding to the conversation.
Just pointing out that we are all going to die. From SIDS or AIDS or car wrecks or stupidity (maybe causing the wreck) and some of us die from old age. Now, I'm not saying to not vax or look both ways twice at an intersection but also just accept mortality. EDIT: and I'd say try not to have gay sex....
For the most part, I do not trust the medical community. They'd rather give you a pill and see if that did the trick than find out what is really going on.
I'm like you, I went to the doctor a few months ago for the first time in decades for a cortisol shot in the shoulder, self diagnosed torn rotator that just would not get better after about 6 months of self physical therapy. Superglue is some good shit. Broken fingers generally heal up just fine. I don't remember the last time I was actually sick. BP is good, self checks occasionally. Eat a varied diet and that includes some fast food sometimes when I don't have time for much anything else. Sleep soundly most nights. Work up a good sweat pretty much every day and get in 7-15 miles of walking most days. I'm doing okay for 6 plus decades on Earth. Yet, some day I will die.
My BP is through the fucking roof, stress related but I also eat shitty these days. My bodies falling apart young, but I’ve been fucked up by doctors also which doesn’t make me want to go back.
The 79.4% post is designed to look scary, but read into it and it’s a drop in the bucket of the big picture. And stupidly the link shows it’s very few to equal that percentage. Saying no vaccine was tested to a certain standard looks good too, but they were tested in field trials because they didn’t have time, or meet criteria to use that sort of testing. There’s shit like this on both sides to drag stupid people in.
This isn’t some life long interest I’m invested in I read both sides, did some math, and replied. You can find supporting facts with most any position if you look or ignore parts of data hard enough. There’s also usually always outliers on both sides.
Regardless, that’s not how a real study is performed. Control groups need to be completely clean. If you want to do the “ethical” thing you let people volunteer to be the unvaxxed control group. And their health can be monitored up until they decide to get any other vaccinations
There’s a difference between being the “gold standard” aka best known option, and being the only option. The site saying they are completely untested in the title isn’t true and it’s designed to trick dummies, just like MSM bs.
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That’s exactly what the definition of a proper study means, that the control group is not exposed to any vaccines or ingredients in them(in this particular scenario), or at least not any recently, so the effects of any of the ingredients can be monitored.
In repeated requests for any efficacy/safety studies prior to being certified by the fda and placed on the authorized list, vaccine manufacturers have said that they don’t have that data. So, yes, saying “they’re not tested” isn’t exactly what you’re looking for, that criticism has been shortened from “the vaccine manufacturers don’t have safety/efficacy data from pre-authorization trials”
And that’s not even the whole story. In short term trials it is possible to find markers of protection from various diseases. The problem is that those studies are A) too short term to note any other side effects and/or other problems that may arise from the shots and B(as has been previously stated) don’t have a proper control group. The problem with the control group not being “clean” is that there are multiple ingredients shared between multiple shots so anything potentially effecting the experimental arm of the study can also be effecting the control arm thus showing no or little difference between the groups
My personal feelings aside, this is very flawed data and isn’t really useful for anything. But if anyone wants to receive their shots, go right ahead. I don’t want them and my kids won’t be getting them until they are old enough to legally make this decision for themselves. And I’d like it if I wasn’t threatened with losing my job or having my kids taken away from me because of these choices. Pretty please. My body my choice, and all that
field trials are still real scientific studies. Short term or not it is a study, just because you say it isn’t doesn’t mean the science says it isn’t. A long term placebo study shows more, but doesn’t make a short term study not real.
“A "field trial" in research refers to an experiment conducted in a real-world setting, outside of a controlled laboratory environment, to evaluate the effectiveness of an intervention, product, or practice under normal conditions, often involving participants living in their usual environment and making natural decisions, as opposed to a clinical trial which is conducted in a healthcare setting with more controlled conditions; typically used in areas like public health, agriculture, and social sciences to assess the practicality and efficacy of interventions in a natural setting.”
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Yes, field trials are considered scientific studies, specifically a type of experimental study where researchers test interventions or treatments in real-world settings, often involving people living in their normal environments, as opposed to a controlled laboratory setting; they are considered a valuable tool for gathering data on the effectiveness of interventions in practical situations, allowing for a more accurate assessment of their real-world impact.
Key points about field trials:
- Real-world application:
Unlike lab studies, field trials take place in the natural environment where the intervention will be implemented, allowing for a more accurate evaluation of its effectiveness under real-life conditions.
- Randomized controlled trials:
Often, field trials are designed as randomized controlled trials (RCTs) where participants are randomly assigned to either a treatment group receiving the intervention or a control group receiving standard care, enabling researchers to isolate the effect of the intervention.
- Wide range of applications:
Field trials are used in various fields including public health (e.g., vaccine trials), agriculture (testing new crop varieties), environmental science (assessing the impact of mitigation strategies), and social sciences (evaluating policy interventions)”
What does the scientific community know about science?
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If it’s anything like the last 4yrs(The corruption in all of “the sciences” is real) I don’t care what their opinion is on anything. And in that case I ask again; don’t threaten my fucking job or kids and leave me the fuck alone
Well seeing as how we know for a fact all the old shit actually killed people it’s not.
Yes, back when it was a fireable offense to wash your hands between seeing patients, disease killed a lot of people. And once it became standard procedure not to have a baby in a horse stall, rates of disease and deaths from disease started falling incredibly fast. But nobody on “your side” of the argument will acknowledge this. Or if they do it’s also immediately dismissed because “You need your shots so I feel better!”
And I repeat, I don’t really care one way or the other about them. If you want to get the full schedule go right ahead. If you feel that’s the best path to a healthy life I’m not going to dissuade you. My biggest problem is the pressure put on me to get them
And I repeat, I don’t really care one way or the other about them. If you want to get the full schedule go right ahead. If you feel that’s the best path to a healthy life I’m not going to dissuade you. My biggest problem is the pressure put on me to get them
Lots of assumptions about which is “my side” here lol.
What I do/believe and arguing there’s more than one way to test a vaccine aren’t one in the same.
And a little more context for my argument of already plummeting disease rates. In addition to death rates plummeting, severity of symptoms also got better. It should be common sense that with the increase of personal hygiene standards the severity of any disease contracted will be much milder
But the cases drastically declined after introduction even though hygienic standards stayed pretty consistent.
This doesn’t prove the MMR vaccine doesn’t do anything. It shows a steady decline in the virus.
“Approximately 15 million children received the new vaccine between 1963 and 1966, and the number of measles cases was cut in half.”
The important part of the graph is hidden do to it being bigger than needed
Correlation is not causation. It’s impossible for you to prove that that the shots were effective. Especially if you zoom out and notice the giant trend line heading down
Delusional Bullshit.
You know how fucking hard we tried to stamp out smallpox with vaccines?
You know how many people died from that kind of shit? "What is safe" Either we all suffer from smallpox/polio/dipthera,etc or there are some losses.
You can question science.
I'm questioning you fucking sanity.
Gestures to 100 years of immunization.....
Da faq you talkin bout willis. Hell they knew 200 years ago to try and innoculate against smallpox even without a vaccine because it was a fucking scourge (literally one of the first plagues). Why did people have 10 kids back in the day? Half of them died of disease and shit.
Look I get you guys got your panties in a bunch over covid. There's enough there to be hot about. But to go back on the established vaccines is fucking insane.
"Its impossible to prove they were effective"
We fucking eliminating several diseases with vaccines/medicines--look at how polio/smallpox was eradicated. AKA Genocided them. Your damn right it was effective. Stupid cucks.
Claims require evidence
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Posting tin foil hat shit on forums does not rise to that level.
Or maybe you'all are vaxed and got autism. But hey, did you die?
You know how fucking hard we tried to stamp out smallpox with vaccines?
You know how many people died from that kind of shit? "What is safe" Either we all suffer from smallpox/polio/dipthera,etc or there are some losses.
You can question science.
I'm questioning you fucking sanity.
Gestures to 100 years of immunization.....
Da faq you talkin bout willis. Hell they knew 200 years ago to try and innoculate against smallpox even without a vaccine because it was a fucking scourge (literally one of the first plagues). Why did people have 10 kids back in the day? Half of them died of disease and shit.
Look I get you guys got your panties in a bunch over covid. There's enough there to be hot about. But to go back on the established vaccines is fucking insane.
"Its impossible to prove they were effective"
We fucking eliminating several diseases with vaccines/medicines--look at how polio/smallpox was eradicated. AKA Genocided them. Your damn right it was effective. Stupid cucks.
Claims require evidence
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Posting tin foil hat shit on forums does not rise to that level.
Or maybe you'all are vaxed and got autism. But hey, did you die?
It’s impossible for you to prove they weren’t with that logic lol
You know what absolutely didn’t help bring all these cases/deaths of measles down to almost nothing? An immunization for measles that came out after the numbers had already dropped by 99%. Now you’re trying to claim these are some gift from god after some correlation of about 700 deaths maybe being saved? C’mon man
I’ll even extend an olive branch to the pro-vax side. You provide a decade long data set showing efficacy and safety, with a real control arm of zero immunizations in at least as big a group as the experimental group. And any significant health problems in either group need to be proven(or legitimately as close as possible) to not be causal. Or people in the control arm that are harmed by the diseases they are declining shots against.
I’m not being a dick saying this, just don’t know how else to word it. According to this you can’t even read the graphs. Even if the +/- 400,000 swing in the graph was 700, saving even 700 people is hardly something to scoff at.
This is a pretty retarded argument “I can’t really say anything of value back so I’ll accuse people of being pro-vax and make all sorts of demands of random people who aren’t scientists”.
I still like how I apparently love vaccines because I can extrapolate data. Guess how many vaccines I’ve had since I was able to give consent?
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I was talking about polio/smallpox
You know the shit that killed us.
Try reading comprehension. Since the OP said "NO" as in NOT ONE. Lets go with the ones that were killing everyone smalls.
Like I said, maybe you got 2-3 doses for that level autism.
I'll extend an olive branch...GO fucking infect yourself with smallpox and then tell me the treatment/vaccine doesn't work. (unless you military and under 40 --maybe even 50, you are not vaccinated against it. Perfect time to put your money where your mouth is. Try it out asshole)
Try reading comprehension indeed - I provided a link to a blog post quoting RFK Jr. Take it up with him if you so desire, see if your tantrum impresses him.
Something about reading comprehension….couldn't read the link he posted to backup his claims.
He’s not talking to RFK Jr. he’s replying to D
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But for decades people got the same vaccines without the autism magically
You sound heavily vaccinated. I can’t understand it for you.
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