No childhood vaccine is tested

[jr81452]

But for decades people got the same vaccines without the autism magically

You obviously forgot to do your REEEEEEEEsearch.


Trust the experts:

Steven Todd Kirsch
Bachelor of Science and a Master of Science in electrical engineering and computer science from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1980.


Robert Francis Kennedy Jr
education at Harvard University, graduating in 1976 with a Bachelor of Arts in American history and literature. Juris Doctor degree University of Virginia School of Law in 1982 and a Master of Laws from Pace University in 1987.


/s

 

[BAMAboy18]

I have a dog in this hunt! I have a severely autistic brother, my late mother was an RN and researched this for years, her conclusion was it's highly probable the preservatives they put in combination shots has the potential to cause autism. Nobody can give us a definitive answer as to what causes it, therefore nobody can tell me what doesn't! I have 14 nieces & nephews that have never been vaccinated, all healthy! One sister-in-law has two brothers who both have 2 autistic children each, all four got shots from the same Dr.

 

[Charmingmander]

Can we also point out that vaccines THEN are not the same as vaccines NOW.

Children used to only get a handful of them. Now there's dozens.

Austim rates have skyrocketed over the past several decades and so has the undiagnosed werido behavior people exhibit now. Despite removing lead from paint, pipes and exhaust fumes which apparently collectively reduced everyone's IQ by several points.

 

[impactaddict]

Can we also point out that vaccines THEN are not the same as vaccines NOW.

Children used to only get a handful of them. Now there's dozens.

Austim rates have skyrocketed over the past several decades and so has the undiagnosed werido behavior people exhibit now. Despite removing lead from paint, pipes and exhaust fumes which apparently collectively reduced everyone's IQ by several points.

I touched on this in my previous post.

I take issue with them acknowledging that "covid was different" and not applying that same logic to the modern vaccination schedule. same scientists, same companies, pushing the same messaging, for a boatload of $. The current vaccine schedule is projected to be a $56B industry in 2026.

Does anyone else remember the MSM talking about the uptick in cases of myocarditis (who even knew that word outside the medical industry 4 years ago) and saying "it's definitely not the vaccines causing this". They blamed it on climate change and air pollution.

 

[DocRDS]

Try reading comprehension indeed - I provided a link to a blog post quoting RFK Jr. Take it up with him if you so desire, see if your tantrum impresses him.

Oh you mean the crazy ass fucking green who endorsed Trump and now is the source of all knowledge?

You got me--Vaccines cause Autism: *gestures at thread*

Don't vaccinate your kids. I don't give a shit. BUt don't come looking for help when typhus, smallpox, malaria, cholera (that evil Flourine in the water) all run the rape train on your body.

But but but BIG PHARMA.

THe vaccine article was peer-reviewd and published so either so they are so dumb they let that one through or it is possible that bullshit gets published. Can't have it both ways.

BUT BUT BUT CORRELATION ISNT'T CAUSATION. Yup and so why did "Autism" go up. Was it vaccines? Was it food? Was it brainwashing from the TV--who the fuck knows. What's the test for Autism? There isn't one--like I can go get a test "You are positive for HIV" (Which kennedy says may not cause AIDs) I can't get a test for Autism. Did the cases go up? or did the diagnoisis go up?

For critical thinkers, you guys are critically lacking. You suddenly embrace a formal hippe as liberal because he now sucks trump dick for a power share. You ignore 200 years of disease history--cherry pick your data to fit the cool kid narrative you want to be edgy.

You know what killed more than Stalin and Hitler in the 20th Centruy?

Fucking Smallpox.

Polio vaccine came in the 50s. Even that has side effects. BUt the best one? 99% chance TO NOT FUCKING GET POLIO

You boys can bitch about your Covid hoax or even if we need the Chicken POx Vaccine. BUt the problem is you said ALL of them. "None are tested" So explain smallpox, malaria, yellow fever, typhus, tuberculosis, cholera. You know the serious shit.

ANd your evidence? a couple of nutwing wackjobs ignoreing 200 years of history and evidence right in front of your fucking face. That's A+ level stupidity. And its damn dangerous. Unlike Covid, that shit actually does cause harm.

 

[Kamerad]

Oh you mean the crazy ass fucking green who endorsed Trump and now is the source of all knowledge?

You got me--Vaccines cause Autism: *gestures at thread*

Don't vaccinate your kids. I don't give a shit. BUt don't come looking for help when typhus, smallpox, malaria, cholera (that evil Flourine in the water) all run the rape train on your body.

But but but BIG PHARMA.

THe vaccine article was peer-reviewd and published so either so they are so dumb they let that one through or it is possible that bullshit gets published. Can't have it both ways.

BUT BUT BUT CORRELATION ISNT'T CAUSATION. Yup and so why did "Autism" go up. Was it vaccines? Was it food? Was it brainwashing from the TV--who the fuck knows. What's the test for Autism? There isn't one--like I can go get a test "You are positive for HIV" (Which kennedy says may not cause AIDs) I can't get a test for Autism. Did the cases go up? or did the diagnoisis go up?

For critical thinkers, you guys are critically lacking. You suddenly embrace a formal hippe as liberal because he now sucks trump dick for a power share. You ignore 200 years of disease history--cherry pick your data to fit the cool kid narrative you want to be edgy.

You know what killed more than Stalin and Hitler in the 20th Centruy?

Fucking Smallpox.

Polio vaccine came in the 50s. Even that has side effects. BUt the best one? 99% chance TO NOT FUCKING GET POLIO

You boys can bitch about your Covid hoax or even if we need the Chicken POx Vaccine. BUt the problem is you said ALL of them. "None are tested" So explain smallpox, malaria, yellow fever, typhus, tuberculosis, cholera. You know the serious shit.

ANd your evidence? a couple of nutwing wackjobs ignoreing 200 years of history and evidence right in front of your fucking face. That's A+ level stupidity. And its damn dangerous. Unlike Covid, that shit actually does cause harm.

Did you read what I wrote? I provided links to quotes and claims. I think it’s a critical subject, and a high profile member of the incoming administration is quoted.

While I’ve become deeply skeptical of many aspects of the modern medical community from first hand experiences, including so called ‘vaccines’, I didn’t make any claims or assertions.

Do you have access to studies demonstrating vaccines are safe and effective? Not claims.

Are you done with your tantrums?

 

[The D]

I’m not being a dick saying this, just don’t know how else to word it. According to this you can’t even read the graphs. Even if the +/- 400,000 swing in the graph was 700, saving even 700 people is hardly something to scoff at.

This is a pretty retarded argument “I can’t really say anything of value back so I’ll accuse people of being pro-vax and make all sorts of demands of random people who aren’t scientists”.

I still like how I apparently love vaccines because I can extrapolate data. Guess how many vaccines I’ve had since I was able to give consent?

You absolutely can read the graphs I provided as I explained. Death rates from measles were falling rapidly and at the tail end, immunization shots were developed and provided. All it says is that by the time the shots were available people had figured out the problem. The few people who still got or died from measles are definitely tragic but the best that can be said is that in the years at the end of the trend line where the deaths are almost zero maybe the shot had a hand in keeping the rest of the population from contracting measles.

If you want to just “trust the experts” that’s fine but there are many people just as smart(or smarter) that have some very real concerns and they are either canceled or ridiculed and ignored. I thought that type of behavior would start being seen through no matter the subject but I guess I’m wrong

I was talking about polio/smallpox

You know the shit that killed us.

Try reading comprehension. Since the OP said "NO" as in NOT ONE. Lets go with the ones that were killing everyone smalls.

Like I said, maybe you got 2-3 doses for that level autism.

I'll extend an olive branch...GO fucking infect yourself with smallpox and then tell me the treatment/vaccine doesn't work. (unless you military and under 40 --maybe even 50, you are not vaccinated against it. Perfect time to put your money where your mouth is. Try it out asshole)

You might as well put me in ignore. Your profession has done almost irreparable harm to itself over the last 4 years and I don’t really care what your opinion is on how my wife and I keep our family healthy(fyi, she’s a nurse practitioner herself and is highly regarded by her co-workers, her superiors, and is being asked to take in a teaching role at her Alma mater). You can rage type at me all you want, it’s not helping your credibility to me in the slightest

 

[akmike47]

You absolutely can read the graphs I provided as I explained. Death rates from measles were falling rapidly and at the tail end, immunization shots were developed and provided. All it says is that by the time the shots were available people had figured out the problem. The few people who still got or died from measles are definitely tragic but the best that can be said is that in the years at the end of the trend line where the deaths are almost zero maybe the shot had a hand in keeping the rest of the population from contracting measles.

If you want to just “trust the experts” that’s fine but there are many people just as smart(or smarter) that have some very real concerns and they are either canceled or ridiculed and ignored. I thought that type of behavior would start being seen through no matter the subject but I guess I’m wrong

You might as well put me in ignore. Your profession has done almost irreparable harm to itself over the last 4 years and I don’t really care what your opinion is on how my wife and I keep our family healthy(fyi, she’s a nurse practitioner herself and is highly regarded by her co-workers, her superiors, and is being asked to take in a teaching role at her Alma mater). You can rage type at me all you want, it’s not helping your credibility to me in the slightest

I can read the graph and see changes in it, but you obviously can’t and that’s a skill that starts being taught in second grade. Nice try though

You’re posting the graphs made by the office of national statistics as “proof” and trusting the experts so….

 

[The D]

I can read the graph and see changes in it, but you obviously can’t and that’s a skill that starts being taught in second grade. Nice try though

You’re posting the graphs made by the office of national statistics as “proof” and trusting the experts so….

If you’re not curious about any criticism of these shots then, ok, I guess

 

[akmike47]

If you’re not curious about any criticism of these shots then, ok, I guess

this is a pretty weak(nonexistent) argument since you don’t know how or what I think. I can extrapolate data, you can’t it’s that simple lol.

Don’t trust the experts, but here’s a graph from the office of statistics….

Covid really fucked up stupid people on both sides, you get the world going full retard with something made worse in a lab and magically all of recorded history is a lie and there’s no nuance to anything. The whole time I was business as usual, if you had a single covid test you’ve done more than me.

 

[nagantguy]

I won’t point out anyone in particular- BUT drop the fake as fuck bullshit Polio vaccine story as proof a terrible untested program was designed to kill toy is a good thing - 1952 largest polio outbreak in America history- 57,000 cases .

So a vax that’s fairly effective preventing a disease that’s fairly rare - And for decades fucking retard boomer fudd fuck hole morons do t question the 72 I test things the medical establishment wants to pump into their children .

I’m gonna go on an anti boomer tear like Benders tears against an unnamed desert tribe.

57,000 was the peak outbreak - so never question poisoning children again - fucking retards

 

[DocRDS]

You absolutely can read the graphs I provided as I explained. Death rates from measles were falling rapidly and at the tail end, immunization shots were developed and provided. All it says is that by the time the shots were available people had figured out the problem. The few people who still got or died from measles are definitely tragic but the best that can be said is that in the years at the end of the trend line where the deaths are almost zero maybe the shot had a hand in keeping the rest of the population from contracting measles.

If you want to just “trust the experts” that’s fine but there are many people just as smart(or smarter) that have some very real concerns and they are either canceled or ridiculed and ignored. I thought that type of behavior would start being seen through no matter the subject but I guess I’m wrong

You might as well put me in ignore. Your profession has done almost irreparable harm to itself over the last 4 years and I don’t really care what your opinion is on how my wife and I keep our family healthy(fyi, she’s a nurse practitioner herself and is highly regarded by her co-workers, her superiors, and is being asked to take in a teaching role at her Alma mater). You can rage type at me all you want, it’s not helping your credibility to me in the slightest

You have no idea what "my profession" is. If you think ignoring modern medicine is keeping you healthly, you are a fool. COVID did a number to medicine, but the fact that you probably had your kids immunized, probably still take medications, eat food from the store (governed by food regulations from 100 years ago), drink water with fluorine in it, believe in the theory of germs, wash your hands means YOU FELL FOR THAT BULLSHIT. (For fucks sake your wife is a nurse!)

Your "having concerns" is defending shit that has been well proven. You can have concerns about the COVID Vax. its new. You can have concerns about some new cancer treatment. Don't fucking dare crouch you bullshit as curiousity because you haven't fucking looked. You're so curious, you blindly follow random assholes into whatever "FREE CANDY" van they have no matter how fucking shady. You ask questions while the answer is dickslapping you in the face.


I didn't say "trust the experts"

I said "LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE"

OOOO a nurse. how quaint. She must be a fucking expert on diseases.

My wife's a teacher, so she's like an expert on education!

I stayed at a holiday inn express so I can magically post bullshit I pulled outta my ass and ignore ALL THE FUCKING EVIDENCE. I may be responding to you. But I am speaking to many. Now we are all on the the Kenndy bandwagon because he switched sides and is gonna punish medicine for what they did during COVID. Since my memory is longer than 2 seconds, I remember when he was a fucking freak and all this BS artists now get credibility and will set us back so much farther than whatever fuckening COVID did. Why do you listen to him? Because he endorsed Trump. Its pathetic cult-like thinking that will fuck us all in the long run.

FUcking measles. Do you know what a real disease is you cum stain?

 

[The D]

You have no idea what "my profession" is. If you think ignoring modern medicine is keeping you healthly, you are a fool. COVID did a number to medicine, but the fact that you probably had your kids immunized, probably still take medications, eat food from the store (governed by food regulations from 100 years ago), drink water with fluorine in it, believe in the theory of germs, wash your hands means YOU FELL FOR THAT BULLSHIT. (For fucks sake your wife is a nurse!)

Your "having concerns" is defending shit that has been well proven. You can have concerns about the COVID Vax. its new. You can have concerns about some new cancer treatment. Don't fucking dare crouch you bullshit as curiousity because you haven't fucking looked. You're so curious, you blindly follow random assholes into whatever "FREE CANDY" van they have no matter how fucking shady. You ask questions while the answer is dickslapping you in the face.


I didn't say "trust the experts"

I said "LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE"

OOOO a nurse. how quaint. She must be a fucking expert on diseases.

My wife's a teacher, so she's like an expert on education!

I stayed at a holiday inn express so I can magically post bullshit I pulled outta my ass and ignore ALL THE FUCKING EVIDENCE. I may be responding to you. But I am speaking to many. Now we are all on the the Kenndy bandwagon because he switched sides and is gonna punish medicine for what they did during COVID. Since my memory is longer than 2 seconds, I remember when he was a fucking freak and all this BS artists now get credibility and will set us back so much farther than whatever fuckening COVID did. Why do you listen to him? Because he endorsed Trump. Its pathetic cult-like thinking that will fuck us all in the long run.

FUcking measles. Do you know what a real disease is you cum stain?

Angry boomer is big angry

Yes, my wife is an NP and before covaids we settled on the Dr Sears vaccine schedule. And after the covaids shot rollout she brought up to me that we should get them a religious exemption. If you think insulting my wife is gaining you any credibility you’re not half as smart as you think you are

 

[The D]

this is a pretty weak(nonexistent) argument since you don’t know how or what I think. I can extrapolate data, you can’t it’s that simple lol.

Don’t trust the experts, but here’s a graph from the office of statistics….

Covid really fucked up stupid people on both sides, you get the world going full retard with something made worse in a lab and magically all of recorded history is a lie and there’s no nuance to anything. The whole time I was business as usual, if you had a single covid test you’ve done more than me.

Ok, I get it. You’re not curious about this at all

 

[akmike47]

I won’t point out anyone in particular- BUT drop the fake as fuck bullshit Polio vaccine story as proof a terrible untested program was designed to kill toy is a good thing - 1952 largest polio outbreak in America history- 57,000 cases .

So a vax that’s fairly effective preventing a disease that’s fairly rare - And for decades fucking retard boomer fudd fuck hole morons do t question the 72 I test things the medical establishment wants to pump into their children .

I’m gonna go on an anti boomer tear like Benders tears against an unnamed desert tribe.

57,000 was the peak outbreak - so never question poisoning children again - fucking retards

Go home and jack off to your cop videos(which you really obsess over for hating them so much) you’re typing like a retarded drunk.

Here’s comes a comment about how I’m a boot licker though I’ve given zero opinions. When I don’t like something I don’t fill my time with it…big brain move.

This is why you’ll end up in gulags and I won’t, I don’t really give a lot of opinion’s. Arguing is fun(and you are stupid, can’t figure out why?…exactly)

 

[Emerson0311]

Everything about covid was a completely different situation

I don’t agree. The covid debacle was carried farther and pushed harder than previous vacc/big pharma projects, but it was not a brand new thing. It was built on the “progressive just trust us” foundation that has historically been proven profitable and effective at lying to the public and sickening/killing them for profit and power. Pretending everything was cool until 2020 is just attempting to cover for being took hard by big daddy gov/pharma for decades. Typical Stockholm syndrome.

 

[akmike47]

I don’t agree. The covid debacle was carried farther and pushed harder than previous vacc/big pharma projects, but it was not a brand new thing. It was built on the “progressive just trust us” foundation that has historically been proven profitable and effective at lying to the public and sickening/killing them for profit and power. Pretending everything was cool until 2020 is just attempting to cover for being took hard by big daddy gov/pharma for decades. Typical Stockholm syndrome.

No one said it was new, but the situation wasn’t the same. These progressives didn’t exist in numbers to matter until fairly recently. Some of the same exact people were saying the “n word” on the floor a few decades ago.

covid was also gain of function research, that didn’t cause measles.

 

[Emerson0311]

No one said it was new, but the situation wasn’t the same.

You said “Everything about Covid was a completely different animal”.

 

[Kamerad]

You have no idea what "my profession" is. If you think ignoring modern medicine is keeping you healthly, you are a fool. COVID did a number to medicine, but the fact that you probably had your kids immunized, probably still take medications, eat food from the store (governed by food regulations from 100 years ago), drink water with fluorine in it, believe in the theory of germs, wash your hands means YOU FELL FOR THAT BULLSHIT. (For fucks sake your wife is a nurse!)

Your "having concerns" is defending shit that has been well proven. You can have concerns about the COVID Vax. its new. You can have concerns about some new cancer treatment. Don't fucking dare crouch you bullshit as curiousity because you haven't fucking looked. You're so curious, you blindly follow random assholes into whatever "FREE CANDY" van they have no matter how fucking shady. You ask questions while the answer is dickslapping you in the face.


I didn't say "trust the experts"

I said "LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE"

OOOO a nurse. how quaint. She must be a fucking expert on diseases.

My wife's a teacher, so she's like an expert on education!

I stayed at a holiday inn express so I can magically post bullshit I pulled outta my ass and ignore ALL THE FUCKING EVIDENCE. I may be responding to you. But I am speaking to many. Now we are all on the the Kenndy bandwagon because he switched sides and is gonna punish medicine for what they did during COVID. Since my memory is longer than 2 seconds, I remember when he was a fucking freak and all this BS artists now get credibility and will set us back so much farther than whatever fuckening COVID did. Why do you listen to him? Because he endorsed Trump. Its pathetic cult-like thinking that will fuck us all in the long run.

FUcking measles. Do you know what a real disease is you cum stain?

Still nothing of substance to add.

 

[akmike47]

You said “Everything about Covid was a completely different animal”.

No, you completely changed the wording. Copy/paste bud.

It was two different situations, are you saying it’s the same exact situation in every way?

Got another retard on the hook…

 

[nagantguy]

Can we also point out that vaccines THEN are not the same as vaccines NOW.

Children used to only get a handful of them. Now there's dozens.

Austim rates have skyrocketed over the past several decades and so has the undiagnosed werido behavior people exhibit now. Despite removing lead from paint, pipes and exhaust fumes which apparently collectively reduced everyone's IQ by several points.

72 - there is 72 - which Al have terrible preservatives and have not been saftey tested .

 

[Emerson0311]

No, you completely changed the wording. Copy/paste bud.

It was two different situations, are you saying it’s the same exact situation in every way?

Got another retard on the hook…

I changed sweet fuck all. Those were your words exactly, down to the letter. You are too weak to own your statement from a few minutes ago. Typical bullshitter.

 

[akmike47]

I changed sweet fuck all. Those were your words exactly, down to the letter. You are too weak to own your statement from a few minutes ago. Typical bullshitter.

You’re too retarded to remember words you replied to minutes ago, that I posted yesterday “a few minutes ago” (over 24 hours)

Down to the letter…what’s about whole words?

Let’s search the quote you typed…copy/past minutes the quotations

Crazy…you didn’t seem to quote me down to the letter.

 

[akmike47]

Let’s search just the word “animal”

You said it, then I replied. That’s odd…down to THE LETTER, just not those six.

 

[DocRDS]

Still nothing of substance to add.

Just following your lead. You started this anti-vax bullshit.

Remember disease killed more people than all wars/purges/etc in the 20th century.

Combined.

Test that dumbshit.

 

[impactaddict]

situation - animal.. who gives a shit. you're spiraling

We're arguing that it's not a different situation. The pharma companies saw an opportunity during covid for another money grab which is no different than the current vax schedule. Now they're giving it with the flu shot! Mandatory HEP B vaccination for a baby thats hours old? Half baked "vaccines" pushed by pediatricians on behalf of the pharma companies for billions. Not to mention no liability for vaccine injury.

Whats better is they create the same environment as they did for covid. No jab = no entry into everyday life. Refuse the jab you lose your job. There really is no difference and I'm surprised you cannot see that.

 

[leclairk]

The only thing, unfortunately, that will solve this debate is dead children. Idiots will listen to internet science and Dr Trump, not get their kid vaccinated, and their child will die of a completely preventable illness. At least they didn’t get autism. This will happen over and over until slowly people’s heads will pop out of their ass. Until then we just have to sit back and wait.

 

[akmike47]

situation - animal.. who gives a shit. you're spiraling

We're arguing that it's not a different situation. The pharma companies saw an opportunity during covid for another money grab which is no different than the current vax schedule. Now they're giving it with the flu shot! Mandatory HEP B vaccination for a baby thats hours old? Half baked "vaccines" pushed by pediatricians on behalf of the pharma companies for billions. Not to mention no liability for vaccine injury.

Whats better is they create the same environment as they did for covid. No jab = no entry into everyday life. Refuse the jab you lose your job. There really is no difference and I'm surprised you cannot see that.

This posts shows differences in the situations decades ago and recently

The exact covid rules/bullshit didn’t exist back then and measles wasn’t gain of function research, almost like it was a different situation…

 

[leclairk]

If you think ignoring modern medicine is keeping you healthly, you are a fool. COVID did a number to medicine, but the fact that you probably had your kids immunized, probably still take medications, eat food from the store (governed by food regulations from 100 years ago), drink water with fluorine in it, believe in the theory of germs, wash your hands means YOU FELL FOR THAT BULLSHIT. (For fucks sake your wife is a nurse!)

This is so true. You have a huge group of Americans thinking they are so smart for not falling in line and yet they don’t realize they are and have been falling in line the entire time. The difference is now it makes you look cool to your friends.

 

[akmike47]

This is so true. You have a huge group of Americans thinking they are so smart for not falling in line and yet they don’t realize they are and have been falling in line the entire time.

You really went wild quoting posts lol

 

[impactaddict]

This posts shows differences in the situations decades ago and recently

The exact covid rules/bullshit didn’t exist back then and measles wasn’t gain of function research, almost like it was a different situation…

Thank you for articulating your point.

You have a problem with pharma making billions for "treating" a lab created virus with a bullshit vaccine.

You do not take issue with the rising number of vaccinations that are pushed on parents by pediatricians that can possibly be contributing to the rapidly rising Autism rates because there is no proof that vaccinations are causing it. This is because pharmaceutical companies just started being corrupt in March of 2020?

I would be curious to know when the revolving door of legislators, regulators, and lobbyist started in pharma specifically. Put that chart over the vaccination schedule and see how it lines up.

 

[akmike47]

Thank you for articulating your point.

You have a problem with pharma making billions for "treating" a lab created virus with a bullshit vaccine.

You do not take issue with the rising number of vaccinations that are pushed on parents by pediatricians that can possibly be contributing to the rapidly rising Autism rates because there is no proof that vaccinations are causing it. This is because pharmaceutical companies just started being corrupt in March of 2020?

I would be curious to know when the revolving door of legislators, regulators, and lobbyist started in pharma specifically. Put that chart over the vaccination schedule and see how it lines up.

I’ve said multiple times covid was a different situation, even said it was lab created multiple times, also never gave my opinion on vaccines….theres hints, but you can only speculate. Most autism is bullshit I think. Everyone is autistic these days it’s the new fad.

Glyphosate use trends supposedly with autism but nothing is said about it, vaccines don’t trend near as close. In fact vaccinated and unvaccinated autism rates are pretty close from the info out there.

Which do you think does more harm a shot or dosing yourself daily with chemicals from everything you touch and consume? You have plastic in your blood and sperm, but a shot is to blame. It’s almost as though autism went up with the use of plastic and random chemicals in everything.

 

[devildog93]

Oh you mean the crazy ass fucking green who endorsed Trump and now is the source of all knowledge?

You got me--Vaccines cause Autism: *gestures at thread*

Don't vaccinate your kids. I don't give a shit. BUt don't come looking for help when typhus, smallpox, malaria, cholera (that evil Flourine in the water) all run the rape train on your body.

But but but BIG PHARMA.

THe vaccine article was peer-reviewd and published so either so they are so dumb they let that one through or it is possible that bullshit gets published. Can't have it both ways.

BUT BUT BUT CORRELATION ISNT'T CAUSATION. Yup and so why did "Autism" go up. Was it vaccines? Was it food? Was it brainwashing from the TV--who the fuck knows. What's the test for Autism? There isn't one--like I can go get a test "You are positive for HIV" (Which kennedy says may not cause AIDs) I can't get a test for Autism. Did the cases go up? or did the diagnoisis go up?

For critical thinkers, you guys are critically lacking. You suddenly embrace a formal hippe as liberal because he now sucks trump dick for a power share. You ignore 200 years of disease history--cherry pick your data to fit the cool kid narrative you want to be edgy.

You know what killed more than Stalin and Hitler in the 20th Centruy?

Fucking Smallpox.

Polio vaccine came in the 50s. Even that has side effects. BUt the best one? 99% chance TO NOT FUCKING GET POLIO

You boys can bitch about your Covid hoax or even if we need the Chicken POx Vaccine. BUt the problem is you said ALL of them. "None are tested" So explain smallpox, malaria, yellow fever, typhus, tuberculosis, cholera. You know the serious shit.

ANd your evidence? a couple of nutwing wackjobs ignoreing 200 years of history and evidence right in front of your fucking face. That's A+ level stupidity. And its damn dangerous. Unlike Covid, that shit actually does cause harm.

We know bullshit gets published. The last 10 years has plenty of evidence of it. The lgbtq community and big pharma funding research have definitely steered things into a ditch.

 

[impactaddict]

I’ve said multiple times covid was a different situation, even said it was lab created multiple times, also never gave my opinion on vaccines….theres hints, but you can only speculate. Most autism is bullshit I think. Everyone is autistic these days it’s the new fad.

Glyphosate use trends supposedly with autism but nothing is said about it, vaccines don’t trend near as close. In fact vaccinated and unvaccinated autism rates are pretty close from the info out there.

Which do you think does more harm a shot or dosing yourself daily with chemicals from everything you touch and consume? You have plastic in your blood and sperm, but a shot is to blame. It’s almost as though autism went up with the use of plastic and random chemicals in everything.

I'm not sure about "most" autism being bullshit. I think its a popular meme now to use it in a derogatory way, but for those it affects, its very fucking real.

To answer the question, assuming it's not rhetorical... Which do you think does more harm a shot or dosing yourself daily with chemicals from everything you touch and consume?
Since the symptoms can be diagnosed at a very early age -- toddler -- and many parents notice an immediate change in their children immediately following a round of vaccinations from their pediatrician, we could both be correct. Perhaps glyphosates are the underlying issue in which many children can have a pre-existing/predisposition for autism only to be triggered by a vaccination, many of which can cause intense fevers... A vaccine injury.

At any rate, we're not going to figure it out in the bear pit but I like the idea of someone in a leadership role for the next 4 years that has a bone to pick with pharma and food in this country. Maybe we can get closer to finding a reason rather than just sweeping it under the rug.

 

[akmike47]

I'm not sure about "most" autism being bullshit. I think its a popular meme now to use it in a derogatory way, but for those it affects, its very fucking real.

To answer the question, assuming it's not rhetorical... Which do you think does more harm a shot or dosing yourself daily with chemicals from everything you touch and consume?
Since the symptoms can be diagnosed at a very early age -- toddler -- and many parents notice an immediate change in their children immediately following a round of vaccinations from their pediatrician, we could both be correct. Perhaps glyphosates are the underlying issue in which many children can have a pre-existing/predisposition for autism only to be triggered by a vaccination, many of which can cause intense fevers... A vaccine injury.

At any rate, we're not going to figure it out in the bear pit but I like the idea of someone in a leadership role for the next 4 years that has a bone to pick with pharma and food in this country. Maybe we can get closer to finding a reason rather than just sweeping it under the rug.

It definitely could be, there are autistic people but now it’s the new ADHD everyone and their brother have it magically. Remember when every other person you met magically became gluten intolerant? Like the retards saying neurodivergent as though it’s a disability, it means you process info differently…many people process info differently.

The MMR vaccine is scheduled to be given around 12-15 months, autism can be diagnosed as early as 18 months. You could blame any number of things before that, or the kid was born autistic. That’s how it works, you’re born autistic it’s not like someone just becomes autistic. People find out they are “high functioning” later in life, but half these people have 13 diagnoses like they are collecting Pokémon cards.

It’s very obvious to people/doctors I have adhd and I fought it for years, but I don’t wear it like a badge the way morons do with all their bs and instead of being drugged as a kid I got my ass beat a couple times by my parents and I acted right.

Edit: Made it clear I got a spanking and not my ass kicked lol

 

[Doctorwho1138]

I feel like vaccine deniers are like the moon landing deniers. Science needs to be questioned and debated. That’s healthy but putting aside the historical evidence of their efficacy is just moronic and counter productive. Instead of fighting disease, we will be promoting more disease if this trend continues. There needs to be an open dialogue on both sides of the debate but effectiveness of vaccines is established science and well understood. Questioning it is fine but putting your head in the sand and pretending that 50 plus years of data is insignificant or not proof enough of their efficacy is down right dangerous. I remain skeptical at best regarding the Covid vaccine and I am not sure it helped with anything and in fact that it caused more harm than it helped. I hope and pray that RFK gets confirmed. I think he has a healthy dose of skepticism and I think he remains open minded to both sides. That’s something that is warranted and needed in today’s society.

 

[Rthur]

It is entirely possible that some of the vaccines are legitimate and some are not at the same time.
Like most debates folks can't fathom these criteria.

R

 

[akmike47]

It is entirely possible that some of the vaccines are legitimate and some are not at the same time.
Like most debates folks can't fathom these criteria.

R

This

 

[LRRPF52]

Delusional Bullshit.

You know how fucking hard we tried to stamp out smallpox with vaccines?

You know how many people died from that kind of shit? "What is safe" Either we all suffer from smallpox/polio/dipthera,etc or there are some losses.

You can question science.

I'm questioning you fucking sanity.

Gestures to 100 years of immunization.....

Da faq you talkin bout willis. Hell they knew 200 years ago to try and innoculate against smallpox even without a vaccine because it was a fucking scourge (literally one of the first plagues). Why did people have 10 kids back in the day? Half of them died of disease and shit.

Look I get you guys got your panties in a bunch over covid. There's enough there to be hot about. But to go back on the established vaccines is fucking insane.

"Its impossible to prove they were effective"

We fucking eliminating several diseases with vaccines/medicines--look at how polio/smallpox was eradicated. AKA Genocided them. Your damn right it was effective. Stupid cucks.

Claims require evidence
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Posting tin foil hat shit on forums does not rise to that level.

Or maybe you'all are vaxed and got autism. But hey, did you die?

True or false: Misdiagnosed paralytic polio cases were really neurological damage from DDT in aerosol form, inhaled and passed into the victims’ CNSs.

They used to spray DDT in the air even when people went to the beach.

The relationship between introduction of the Salk polio vaccine does not correlate well with the data, whereas the use of DDT seems to show a strong causal relationship with acute poliomyelitis.

If you research the history of polio, you see most charts starting off without any historical context, right around 1950, in order to make it appear that the Salk vaccine was instrumental in eradicating the disease.

This is critical thinking 101 in analyzing any graphical data, where we must zoom out to get a complete picture with uniform scale and make observations. We should not emotionally react to marketing devised by pharmaceutical companies to make their products appear far more effective than the really are, or to hide their safety records.

 

[LRRPF52]

It is entirely possible that some of the vaccines are legitimate and some are not at the same time.
Like most debates folks can't fathom these criteria.

R

Beware of the reason of averages logical fallacy.

Several things are possible:

All vaccines are mostly snake oil sold by Pharma for billions.

All vaccines are safe & effective (TM).

Some vaccines have been independently proven to be effective, but you can’t see the studies because....reasons.

Many vaccines have had terrible initial trials that were never published because of the injuries and deaths.

Former Soviet biological warfare researches who went to work for Moderna on secret mRNA testing had to hit the panic button on human trials after abort criteria where met with deaths, paralysis, pulmonary embolisms, thrombocytopenia, GBS, etc.

Pharma is always transparent and altruistic with their open reporting on failures, and never uses their influence over politicians to advance their $1.6 Trillion and growing global annual revenue.

Pharma owns or controls major interests in every corporate media organization (ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox).

What I have found is that it isn’t anywhere close to the fallacy of averages, and leans entirely in Pharma’s interests.

 

[LRRPF52]

I feel like vaccine deniers are like the moon landing deniers. Science needs to be questioned and debated. That’s healthy but putting aside the historical evidence of their efficacy is just moronic and counter productive. Instead of fighting disease, we will be promoting more disease if this trend continues. There needs to be an open dialogue on both sides of the debate but effectiveness of vaccines is established science and well understood. Questioning it is fine but putting your head in the sand and pretending that 50 plus years of data is insignificant or not proof enough of their efficacy is down right dangerous. I remain skeptical at best regarding the Covid vaccine and I am not sure it helped with anything and in fact that it caused more harm than it helped. I hope and pray that RFK gets confirmed. I think he has a healthy dose of skepticism and I think he remains open minded to both sides. That’s something that is warranted and needed in today’s society.

False equivalency that has no relevancy as well.

We can see the Radar reflectors placed on the moon by the Apollo missions, of which there were many.

We can’t see risk-to-benefit analyses or independent efficacy studies on vaccines, because.....reasons.

Another major propaganda trick that is taught to Doctors and healthcare providers is the false statement that the Salk vaccine eradicated polio, or that measles was eliminated with MMR or the measles vaccine.

It especially becomes tiring when GPs or specialty doctors pontificate on the details of epidemiology, immunology, and virology, with only basic training in those specialties.

It would be similar to an experienced auto mechanic who does general maintenance at the dealer (replacing parts) trying to explain to the manufacturer how their engineering works for the drivetrain software and digital fault-testing architecture. He might be familiar with some of it, but it’s really outside of his area of experience.

 

[DocRDS]

It is entirely possible that some of the vaccines are legitimate and some are not at the same time.
Like most debates folks can't fathom these criteria.

R

See you guys are so fucked up you made me agree with him.

God damn.

 

[cgbills]

“The ABC news program 20/20 aired a story in 1999 claiming that the hepatitis B vaccine caused sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). The story included a picture of a 1-month-old girl who died of SIDS only 16 hours after receiving the second dose of hepatitis B vaccine.

Umm shouldn’t you be asking why they feel the need to vaccinate infants against a sexually transmitted disease? Almost sounds like someone is out to make money…. Current shot schedules are a problem.

One can be against certain aspects of how we go about vaccinating or about certain newer vaccines without being “anti-vax”. They are a handful of vaccines that make logical sense to give to infants, and many more that have been added recently that make no sense.

Also let’s talk the vaccine injury court and how you can’t sue for vaccine injuries. It’s not just about death…

 

[OldSalty2]

It is entirely possible that some of the vaccines are legitimate and some are not at the same time.
Like most debates folks can't fathom these criteria.

R

Spot on, I think this is where "most" people are at. I also think people are fed up with all the obvious conflicts of interest as well.

Then the experts wonder why the data isn't trusted, because it was funded by those who profit the most? I suppose one could convince themselves that all the meds come from pharma's big, kind heart...where your well-being is the primary objective. There is a greater than zero chance that is the case but its also probably less than 1%.

This is to be expected when trillions of dollars are flowing.

Nothing wrong with straightening that out and reeling that in a bit. And nothing wrong with renewed studies, transparency on side effects, etc.

 

[LRRPF52]

I touched on this in my previous post.

I take issue with them acknowledging that "covid was different" and not applying that same logic to the modern vaccination schedule. same scientists, same companies, pushing the same messaging, for a boatload of $. The current vaccine schedule is projected to be a $56B industry in 2026.

Does anyone else remember the MSM talking about the uptick in cases of myocarditis (who even knew that word outside the medical industry 4 years ago) and saying "it's definitely not the vaccines causing this". They blamed it on climate change and air pollution.

Imagine if gun companies were raking in $1.6 trillion annually and there were only a handful of them.

They would buy up all the forums and consolidate them into 3 main ones to give the appearance of competition of ideas, then sellouts who have no problem advertising scrot-shavers and GI Bill scammers would be posting about how their new SIG P320 is the best pistol on the market, and to renew your NRA American Rifleman subscription.

Any safety issues would be squashed and shooters who experienced mechanical failures and accidental discharges of them in the holster would have their posts removed, be banned, and their professional and personal characters assassinated.

They would do this to guys who just asked questions genuinely wondering if there was a safety issue.

This is how Pharma behaves when they are even questioned. It’s run like a Mafia racket, not a legitimate business with any ethical people on the boards.

 

[Rthur]

Beware of the reason of averages logical fallacy.

Several things are possible:

All vaccines are mostly snake oil sold by Pharma for billions.

All vaccines are safe & effective (TM).

Some vaccines have been independently proven to be effective, but you can’t see the studies because....reasons.

Many vaccines have had terrible initial trials that were never published because of the injuries and deaths.

Former Soviet biological warfare researches who went to work for Moderna on secret mRNA testing had to hit the panic button on human trials after abort criteria where met with deaths, paralysis, pulmonary embolisms, thrombocytopenia, GBS, etc.

Pharma is always transparent and altruistic with their open reporting on failures, and never uses their influence over politicians to advance their $1.6 Trillion and growing global annual revenue.

Pharma owns or controls major interests in every corporate media organization (ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox).

What I have found is that it isn’t anywhere close to the fallacy of averages, and leans entirely in Pharma’s interests.

The point was really that not much is ever truly black and white.
I haven't any confidence in the profession after the last few years.

R

 

[Namekagon]

I did not read all the preceding drivel. That said, time to comment lol....

My main concern with vaccines today is the idea that we need to give the 1MO infant 4 combo shots of 16 different pathogen vaccines at the same time, like once every 3 weeks. To me, the schedule is way too aggressive pushes for parents to vaccinate against diseases that infants are extremely unlikely to encounter while suckling the breast at home with mommy for the first few months.

Spread things out a bit, avoid coming down on Jr's immune system from the top ropes when he's 12 days old, and I think results would improve.

 

[mosin46]

Can we also point out that vaccines THEN are not the same as vaccines NOW.

Children used to only get a handful of them. Now there's dozens.

Austim rates have skyrocketed over the past several decades and so has the undiagnosed werido behavior people exhibit now. Despite removing lead from paint, pipes and exhaust fumes which apparently collectively reduced everyone's IQ by several points.

this above. the mmr,polio,smallpox vaxs all have a pretty well doced +benefit to risk ratio and the claim that they have saved a lot of lives can not be rationally argued.
one problem is the 54 shot modern requirement made with NO good evidence of benefit,no study of any kind and some evidence of harm.
#2 is the total corruption of the MIC and the ownership of the med prof by big pharm. in today's world nothing that comes from NIH,univ med schools can be believed.
#3 throw in the willingness of some manuf to add some other rna or dna substance on the qt at the behest of fauci,gates and others makes the modern vax assembly unreliable and downright dangerous. a lot of evidence for that.
#4 fda supervision and oversight doesn't exist or is usually bought off like most university med research.
glad i am way gone from having little ones to try and care for and protect

 

[Doctorwho1138]

False equivalency that has no relevancy as well.

We can see the Radar reflectors placed on the moon by the Apollo missions, of which there were many.

We can’t see risk-to-benefit analyses or independent efficacy studies on vaccines, because.....reasons.

Another major propaganda trick that is taught to Doctors and healthcare providers is the false statement that the Salk vaccine eradicated polio, or that measles was eliminated with MMR or the measles vaccine.

It especially becomes tiring when GPs or specialty doctors pontificate on the details of epidemiology, immunology, and virology, with only basic training in those specialties.

It would be similar to an experienced auto mechanic who does general maintenance at the dealer (replacing parts) trying to explain to the manufacturer how their engineering works for the drivetrain software and digital fault-testing architecture. He might be familiar with some of it, but it’s really outside of his area of experience.

The same idea applies as to moon landing deniers and the anti-vaccine crowd. You choose to ignore evidence despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. For instance your DDT theory is easily debunked with just a little research. Polio even was known to exist prior to the use of DDT. British physician Dr Michael Underwood was one of the first to attempt the first-known clinical description of polio called “debility of the lower extremities in 1789. This website goes into further detail about the DDT/polio disinformation:

https://vaxopedia.org/2017/10/19/is-there-a-ddt-polio-connection/

Then you have to an understanding of how viruses work, their pathogenesis, the different serotypes, how vaccines work in the body, etc to get an idea of how and why they work. I am not an epidemiologist but I would be willing to bet that consensus of that community would verify the effectiveness of the polio vaccine is at stopping the disease.

And disease is still a problem as discussed in this article when a switch to the oral vaccine failed horribly. I understand skepticism but let’s not go backwards in scientific advancement but rather pave a way forward that actually improves lives and help keep our population safe from easily preventable diseases.

https://www.science.org/content/article/unqualified-failure-polio-vaccine-policy-left-thousands-kids-paralyzed

 

[mosin46]

The same idea applies as to moon landing deniers and the anti-vaccine crowd. You choose to ignore evidence despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. For instance your DDT theory is easily debunked with just a little research. Polio even was known to exist prior to the use of DDT. British physician Dr Michael Underwood was one of the first to attempt the first-known clinical description of polio called “debility of the lower extremities in 1789. This website goes into further detail about the DDT/polio disinformation:

https://vaxopedia.org/2017/10/19/is-there-a-ddt-polio-connection/

Then you have to an understanding of how viruses work, their pathogenesis, the different serotypes, how vaccines work in the body, etc to get an idea of how and why they work. I am not an epidemiologist but I would be willing to bet that consensus of that community would verify the effectiveness of the polio vaccine is at stopping the disease.

And disease is still a problem as discussed in this article when a switch to the oral vaccine failed horribly. I understand skepticism but let’s not go backwards in scientific advancement but rather pave a way forward that actually improves lives and help keep our population safe from easily preventable diseases.

https://www.science.org/content/article/unqualified-failure-polio-vaccine-policy-left-thousands-kids-paralyzed

a subject change kinda. what is your explanation of the building of covid,or it's enhancement at wuhan? the push of the vaccines that have been shown overwhelmingly to have lethal side effects? the outright lies and forcing of it's use? a lot of social/political questions that don't speak to the science.
however,the deliberate lies and frankly mass murder around the covid issue should cause you,or anyone,to question the obviously corrupt medical establishment and it's seeming profit driven homicidal behavior. that people are questioning a narrative of a formally trusted group should be no surprise.
so,2 issues-science,with all it's attendant uncertainty; political and social manipulation and abuse.