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Wanting to buy a descent 22, for general plinking and to have a cheap training/fundamentals gun. Currently have a savage 93/17 in it use, not very accurate, but going to pillar bed it to see if it helps. But really want a nice bolt 22, all I have right now is a couple 10/22s.

Option 1
Bergara b14r a little heavy, but I'm a big guy, most expensive out the gate. Lot of stock options if I don't like it, find something on the px

Option 2
Bergara bmr-x a little lighter and cheaper, doesn't have an adjustable cheek riser, I'm sure i could put something on it

Option 3
Tikka t1x i would probably throw it on a krg bravo, so it would end up about same price as b14. Not sure what this setup would weigh, I'm sure some one has this setup could tell me, currently leaning in this direction.
 
#2
I have the B14R and the T1X. The B14R is great because of 700 SA compatibility on pretty much every accessory. Of the 2, it’s better suited for PRS style shooting although it won’t balance very well unless you get the 20” stainless heavy barrel model. Out of my samples, the tikka is more accurate and less picky with ammo, as in it shoots cheaper ammo better than the bergara. It’s tough to beat for a general purpose 22.
 
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woodsmoke said:
I have the B14R and the T1X. The B14R is great because of 700 SA compatibility on pretty much every accessory. Of the 2, it’s better suited for PRS style shooting although it won’t balance very well unless you get the 20” stainless heavy barrel model. Out of my samples, the tikka is more accurate and less picky with ammo, as in it shoots cheaper ammo better than the bergara. It’s tough to beat for a general purpose 22.
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Thanks, you have the 16 or 20" tikka? Kinda thinking about going 16, especially since it will probably have a suppressor hanging of it most of the time.
 
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Have you looked at the CZ 457, there is a lot of aftermarket support. Lots of factory stock options. As accurate as the Tikka. I have the Ruger, Tikka, Bergara, and the CZ. The Tikka and some of the CZs are lighter if you plan to carry and hunt. The B14R is several pounds heavier.
 
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I've got 2 T1s. Mine is a 20" and my daughter's is the 16" model. My daughter runs a suppressor because to a 15 year old having a suppressor on her rifle makes her cooler than the boys that don't have one. Can't argue with her about that. With match ammo the velocity difference is only 8-12 fps between each rifle. We've added a Area419 and Salmon River arca rails to them and just recently added the T3 add on grip.
 
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I have the B14R and T1X in a KRG bravo. If there’s any chance you’d carry hunting or what not the tikka is lighter. My next may very well be a CZ.

If you’re building a range/bench gun then B14R would be a great choice.

The tikka I have is a 16”. Running a TBAC 22 takedown on it with a thermal.

On certain lots of SK ammo they’ll go supersonic in my B14R and have the loud crack even suppressed. The 16” tikka doesn’t have this issue. The tikka has an awesome trigger from the box as well. Plan to upgrade the B14R trigger

If I wanted a nice 22 that I can use for target with hunting mixed in it be a T1X or CZ

The B14R is nice as a clone/heavy setup as it takes 700 parts. That said if you want to carry extra mags the B14R are AICS pattern. So they’re huge in comparison to the others. I also have a BMR in 22 mag. That’s more comparable to the tikka in regards to weight and magazines
 
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Hgrubbs22 said:
Have you looked at the CZ 457, there is a lot of aftermarket support. Lots of factory stock options. As accurate as the Tikka. I have the Ruger, Tikka, Bergara, and the CZ. The Tikka and some of the CZs are lighter if you plan to carry and hunt. The B14R is several pounds heavier.
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I have a little, i probably need to a little more. Seems like a lot of people like the CZ. I'm not sure how much carrying i will be doing, mostly will be shooting off my back porch, or the gravel pit down the road.
 
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hafejd30 said:
I have the B14R and T1X in a KRG bravo. If there’s any chance you’d carry hunting or what not the tikka is lighter. My next may very well be a CZ.

If you’re building a range/bench gun then B14R would be a great choice.

The tikka I have is a 16”. Running a TBAC 22 takedown on it with a thermal.

On certain lots of SK ammo they’ll go supersonic in my B14R and have the loud crack even suppressed. The 16” tikka doesn’t have this issue. The tikka has an awesome trigger from the box as well. Plan to upgrade the B14R trigger

If I wanted a nice 22 that I can use for target with hunting mixed in it be a T1X or CZ

The B14R is nice as a clone/heavy setup as it takes 700 parts. That said if you want to carry extra mags the B14R are AICS pattern. So they’re huge in comparison to the others. I also have a BMR in 22 mag. That’s more comparable to the tikka in regards to weight and magazines
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What does the tikka in the bravo weigh?

I like the Bergara, and it would probably end up cheaper after I buy a bravo for the Tikka. My current day coyote rig is a savage with criterion heavy varmint profile, in a manners t5a, so im used to toting around a heavy rifle. Night time right is fairly heavy also. Not that I don't have enough irons in the fire, I'm wanting to build a matching pair in 22cm and 6cm for hunting/target shooting.
 
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Are there any other descent options for bravo style chassis for the tikka's.

Don't really care for the mdt, and i have never been behind an actual chassis, so not sure if i would like them or not, i do like the modularity of them though, seems like it would have a similar feel to ar's. Not many people in NE Arkansas that i know of, do a lot of long range stuff, even though there is plenty of places to shoot, with all the rice and cotton fields. From my dad's house to the river, I have little over a mile shot if I was capable and had a gun that could.
 
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jdulaney said:
That another thing I like about having a bravo, i could put a bridge, and get a clip on thermal, for another small game night rig, or if my wife wanted to go.
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The add ons for the bravo are plentiful. Compared to the factory B14R stock you can add more to the krg bravo for sure. Of course you can buy a B14R barreled action and add it to whatever chassis you want. Chassis for the B14R will have more options. At a cost of additional weight no matter how you set it up over the tikka
 
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You need to handle all three.
The B14 has a 90° bolt throw, the CZ is like 60°, and the T1-X 45°. Depending on whether you prefer low or high scopes, the throw of the bolt could be an issue.
The B14 “feels” like a centerfire, the Tikka like a precision rimfire target action, the CZ is the smoothest cycling, so that comes down to personal taste.
The magazines are completely different on each, but I doubt that would be a deciding factor (however there are far more options in the CZ due to the sheer amount of other actions that use it).
I don’t mention the BMR because even though it’s a couple years old, just like the Springfield 2020, or the Christensen Arms Ranger, there is little aftermarket support.
 
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obx22 said:
You need to handle all three.
The B14 has a 90° bolt throw, the CZ is like 60°, and the T1-X 45°. Depending on whether you prefer low or high scopes, the throw of the bolt could be an issue.
The B14 “feels” like a centerfire, the Tikka like a precision rimfire target action, the CZ is the smoothest cycling, so that comes down to personal taste.
The magazines are completely different on each, but I doubt that would be a deciding factor (however there are far more options in the CZ due to the sheer amount of other actions that use it).
I don’t mention the BMR because even though it’s a couple years old, just like the Springfield 2020, or the Christensen Arms Ranger, there is little aftermarket support.
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I have been looking at the cz a little more since it was mentioned here, i like the idea of 60deg, as I'm planning on my next couple centerfires to be 60. The pro varmint, is the one I would probably go with, $100 more than tikka though, with a crappy boyds stock. I tried finding a barreled action, maybe I'm just not looking in the right spots?

Right now the tikka is still #1 pick, just from everyone else's opinion, and what I'm going for.
 
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jdulaney said:
Are there any other descent options for bravo style chassis for the tikka's.

Don't really care for the mdt, and i have never been behind an actual chassis, so not sure if i would like them or not, i do like the modularity of them though, seems like it would have a similar feel to ar's. Not many people in NE Arkansas that i know of, do a lot of long range stuff, even though there is plenty of places to shoot, with all the rice and cotton fields. From my dad's house to the river, I have little over a mile shot if I was capable and had a gun that could.
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Bravo is your best option for a chassis that feels like a stock, it's also the lightest weight option.
 
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jdulaney said:
I have been looking at the cz a little more since it was mentioned here, i like the idea of 60deg, as I'm planning on my next couple centerfires to be 60. The pro varmint, is the one I would probably go with, $100 more than tikka though, with a crappy boyds stock. I tried finding a barreled action, maybe I'm just not looking in the right spots?

Right now the tikka is still #1 pick, just from everyone else's opinion, and what I'm going for.
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If you want lightweight then the CZ in a Boyd's Pro Varmint/Tacticool stock is probably your best option.
A T1x in a Bravo isn't overly heavy but it's not lightweight either.

If you just want a hunting rifle then the T1x is a good option, I prefer the T1x magazines for hunting with. The UPR is probably the way to go for a lightweight pinker. However Bravo is better if you want to add accessories.
The T1x Ace is actually a nice option if you want a chassis, however it's similar price to a T1x MTR + most chassis on the market.

If competition is a consideration then 100% go CZ. I'm a Tikka fan, spent lots of time (and money) on my T1xs and in hindsight should've gone for a CZ.
I think 20" barrel is a better option unless hunting is all you'll be doing, anything more than pinker the 20" barrel is likely the safer bet for accuracy/repeatability.
 
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beetroot said:
If you want lightweight then the CZ in a Boyd's Pro Varmint/Tacticool stock is probably your best option.
A T1x in a Bravo isn't overly heavy but it's not lightweight either.

If you just want a hunting rifle then the T1x is a good option, I prefer the T1x magazines for hunting with. The UPR is probably the way to go for a lightweight pinker. However Bravo is better if you want to add accessories.
The T1x Ace is actually a nice option if you want a chassis, however it's similar price to a T1x MTR + most chassis on the market.

If competition is a consideration then 100% go CZ. I'm a Tikka fan, spent lots of time (and money) on my T1xs and in hindsight should've gone for a CZ.
I think 20" barrel is a better option unless hunting is all you'll be doing, anything more than pinker the 20" barrel is likely the safer bet for accuracy/repeatability.
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I would say 85% of the time it will be for plinking, the rest would be keeping the turtles thinned out , in my pond and squirrels out of my deer feeder, which can be done off of my back porch.

I like the t1 ace, but I have zero time behind an actual chassis, im afraid I wouldn't like one, i have had a couple manners and McMillan on some of my rifles over the years, never any chassis. I would like to shoot a few chassis to see how they feel.

I may go 20", i plan on shooting suppressed most of the time is why I was looking at 16's. But just plinking, 20 is fine .
 
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jdulaney said:
I would say 85% of the time it will be for plinking, the rest would be keeping the turtles thinned out , in my pond and squirrels out of my deer feeder, which can be done off of my back porch.

I like the t1 ace, but I have zero time behind an actual chassis, im afraid I wouldn't like one, i have had a couple manners and McMillan on some of my rifles over the years, never any chassis. I would like to shoot a few chassis to see how they feel.

I may go 20", i plan on shooting suppressed most of the time is why I was looking at 16's. But just plinking, 20 is fine .
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I'm not a huge chassis guy either, I like the Ace chassis for what it is and it's functionality but would choose a stock/stock like chassis given the choice.

It's hard to go wrong starting with the standard MTR model and adding a chassis as you go.
The Bravo is pretty inexpensive, could then try out some other chassis and upgrade in the future.
The standard stock isn't bad but you really need to add a cheek riser and a full length but pad, buying a take of T3x CTR stock should be easy enough and cheap from the PX here.
 
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A lot of the recommendations you'll get here understandably are from people that live/love 18-25lb rifles purpose built for competition rimfires and it sounds like that's definitely not your use case. You're going to hear guys say you need a 1.25" 25" barrel to "balance" but that's for comp games. It is nice to have adjustability that comes with a chassis but for hunting/general use they have downsides, lots of adjustments to come loose, things to snag on, if they are metal they are cold, all things I don't want in a general use hunting gun.

So if I were you I'd look at something with a nice non-metal stock that has an adjustable cheek rest and reasonably light weight, something that's going to stay under 10lbs with an optic. 16" is fine.

Tikka UPR. - 6lbs
B14R- carbon. - 8lbs
CZ varmint at one - 7.75lbs

You could also buy a base model T1x or CZ 457 and put it in something like a Bravo etc.
 
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I've been thrilled with my Ruger American Rimfire. The barrel's hawkeye borescope was remarkable, with almost no tool marks. An uncomplicated replacement of the trigger return spring will result in a safe, crisp trigger pull of 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 lbs. Mine prefers Eley Benchrest Outlaw. On a calm day, I've been obtaining 0.9 moa (0.54") five-shot groups from 60 yards.
 
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ToddM said:
A lot of the recommendations you'll get here understandably are from people that live/love 18-25lb rifles purpose built for competition rimfires and it sounds like that's definitely not your use case. You're going to hear guys say you need a 1.25" 25" barrel to "balance" but that's for comp games. It is nice to have adjustability that comes with a chassis but for hunting/general use they have downsides, lots of adjustments to come loose, things to snag on, if they are metal they are cold, all things I don't want in a general use hunting gun.

So if I were you I'd look at something with a nice non-metal stock that has an adjustable cheek rest and reasonably light weight, something that's going to stay under 10lbs with an optic. 16" is fine.

Tikka UPR. - 6lbs
B14R- carbon. - 8lbs
CZ varmint at one - 7.75lbs

You could also buy a base model T1x or CZ 457 and put it in something like a Bravo etc.
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Definitely would like to stay at 10-12lb range at max.

I found a few b14r carbon 18", barreled actions for 650, so same price as base tikka/cz, and regardless of which I buy it will be going a stock/chassis of sort
 
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Qpski said:
I've been thrilled with my Ruger American Rimfire. The barrel's hawkeye borescope was remarkable, with almost no tool marks. An uncomplicated replacement of the trigger return spring will result in a safe, crisp trigger pull of 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 lbs. Mine prefers Eley Benchrest Outlaw. On a calm day, I've been obtaining 0.9 moa (0.54") five-shot groups from 60 yards.
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I have looked at those a little seen some decent reviews. The waypoint 2020 looks like it would be a nice one for the price, but not many good reviews.
 
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jdulaney,
I have 2 B14R in factory stocks. I shoot long range steel from benches. They are a great guns, but I would not want to carry them in the field. I have a T1X, it is very accurate. I put it in a KRG Bravo to add some weight to get it close to the B14R, with NO accuracy improvement. When I added my second B14R, I then put the T1X back in the factory, for Sporter / factory class and matches, and hunting. The B14R's are a little more accurate, than the T1X, but not by much. All three will shoot sub MOA out to 400yds in good wind conditions. I had CZ 455, but sold them to keep with the B14R and T1X. I changed the triggers on the B14R to Triggertech Diamonds. All the T1X needs is a trigger spring change to have a one lb. trigger.
 
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MarkCZ said:
jdulaney,
I have 2 B14R in factory stocks. I shoot long range steel from benches. They are a great guns, but I would not want to carry them in the field. I have a T1X, it is very accurate. I put it in a KRG Bravo to add some weight to get it close to the B14R, with NO accuracy improvement. When I added my second B14R, I then put the T1X back in the factory, for Sporter / factory class and matches, and hunting. The B14R's are a little more accurate, than the T1X, but not by much. All three will shoot sub MOA out to 400yds in good wind conditions. I had CZ 455, but sold them to keep with the B14R and T1X. I changed the triggers on the B14R to Triggertech Diamonds. All the T1X needs is a trigger spring change to have a one lb. trigger.
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Thanks, im still leaning towards the tikka/krg setup. The B14 carbon would probably also suit my needs, i doubt i carry it much, mostly will be used to help me with fundamentals. I stopped shooting about 10 years ago, when I got into the rockbouncer world. Now that I have a kid, it's a little harder to get away to go ride( closest park is 3.5 hours away). So I'm trying to get back into shooting, i took my 6.5 out a few weeks ago, and my groups looked horrible, 12-13 years ago when I shot all the time, it would stack shots.

It's only about 3 miles to the gravel pit i shoot at, but I could set a spot in the back yard and shoot of the porch with a 22, to get tuned back up, can't really shoot bigger stuff at home, i have plenty of land to have 100yd spot, but there are houses around.
 
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jdulaney said:
Thanks, im still leaning towards the tikka/krg setup. The B14 carbon would probably also suit my needs, i doubt i carry it much, mostly will be used to help me with fundamentals. I stopped shooting about 10 years ago, when I got into the rockbouncer world. Now that I have a kid, it's a little harder to get away to go ride( closest park is 3.5 hours away). So I'm trying to get back into shooting, i took my 6.5 out a few weeks ago, and my groups looked horrible, 12-13 years ago when I shot all the time, it would stack shots.

It's only about 3 miles to the gravel pit i shoot at, but I could set a spot in the back yard and shoot of the porch with a 22, to get tuned back up, can't really shoot bigger stuff at home, i have plenty of land to have 100yd spot, but there are houses around.
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That B14R Carbon is just a pencil barrel in a carbon sleeve. The tikka would be better suited to running a suppressor if you plan to do that
 
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jdulaney said:
I have looked at those a little seen some decent reviews. The waypoint 2020 looks like it would be a nice one for the price, but not many good reviews.
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Yeah it seems like there's a lot of posts from users struggling to get close to typical CZ/Tikka accuracy out of them. Most seem to be around 1" at 50yds with ammo they like. A few have posted they got better noticeable accuracy when re-crowning the barrel. I've seen some posts where you can see SA basically bead blasted the crown which probably doesn't help any. Too bad because asides that it looks like a nice option being able to use 700 triggers, some won't like the Ruger mag option of course, but it seems like every platform in rimfire has mag hate, either feeding problems, no high capacity options etc etc.
 
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I Voted Tikka. I have this 20-inch T1x in 22lr, and a second T1x in 17hmr. The 17hmr has a LW barrel and a KRG Bravo chassis. Both are very accurate. Was shooting a KYL rack at 77 yards with my buddy last Sunday. I shot the pictured rifle and he shot his RimX. We were hitting shot for shot. No discernable difference in hit probability between the two rifles.
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rimfire22lr said:
I Voted Tikka. I have this 20-inch T1x in 22lr, and a second T1x in 17hmr. The 17hmr has a LW barrel and a KRG Bravo chassis. Both are very accurate. Was shooting a KYL rack at 77 yards with my buddy last Sunday. I shot the pictured rifle and he shot his RimX. We were hitting shot for shot. No discernable difference in hit probability between the two rifles.
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Sharp looking rifle, pretty sure I will be going tikka. Plenty of aftermarket, for what I need, good accuracy , descent price. Either 16 or 20", probably depends on what I run across first.
 
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