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Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

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fellas, i thought you would find with interest this excerpt from the following:

excerpt from " a rifleman went to war" by herbert mcbride.

"In all our work, designating targets, making corrections in range, etc., we used degrees and minutes of angle as did the artillery. I have been acquainted with this "mil" business ever since it was introduced in the U.S. army, but, up to this present year of our Lord, 1932, I must confess that i have never been able to form the slightest idea as to the "why" of it, and if there is any real and practical advantage in its use, the same has never been explained to me or in my prescience. Every rifleman in the United States and in the British possessions is familiar with the "minute", as a measure used for changes in elevation or horizontal deflection. probably some of them do not know it is just a sixtieth part of a degree or that an angle of one minute, extended to the distance of one mile, equals 18 inches, but they all do know that a change of one minute is equal to one inch for every hundred yards of range ( the mile being 1760yds and the minute equalling 18 inches at that distance is plenty close enough for all practical purposes).
And whenever we have to make up a real army, for war, we will take in men from every walk of life; but, no matter what their normal vocation, they will have a general idea of the structure of the circle and its divisions, used by astronomers, navigators, engineers and surveyors, the world over--and really understood by the nucleus of shooting men with whom we would have to start out"
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

I prefer MOA over mils for scope and sight adjustments, as well as for wind counters (MOA of drift). And, interestingly, the USAMU's SDM course still teaches MOA, not mils, perhaps because the detachable carry handle sight for the M4 and A4 is graduated in MOA units of measure. BTW, the SDM course teaches Soldiers, for the most part, how to get good hits in the 300 to 600 meter arena with rack grade M4's and A4's using as issued iron sights.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

I still use MOA instead of mils, and, so far, doing so has not handicapped me in the least in hitting small targets, very far away. I am not disparaging use of mils at all, just saying that there seems to be nothing wrong with using MOA.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

Well, I think something HAS changed...

ALL of the world but the USA, including the USA military, uses meters now. And miliradians, being decimal based, go hand in hand with meters (of course you can use it with yards too).

Nearly all the military sniper reticles are miliradian based, it is the world standard.

No matter how you slice it, for military users MOA is going the way of the dodo bird.

Now, if you are a sport shooter and always shoot on a 1000 yds range, on a target that is purposely measured in MOA or inches, thigs may be different. But I think this is "sniper's hide"
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Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

Killswitch,
I really liked that book. Did you read it all? Also liked Hethscott-Prichard, SNIPING IN FRANCE. Both great reading with a lot of fact.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rth1800</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Killswitch,
I really liked that book. Did you read it all? Also liked Hethscott-Prichard, SNIPING IN FRANCE. Both great reading with a lot of fact. </div></div>

yes, it is a great book! an absolute necessity for any deploying rifleman or scout/sniper.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TiroFijo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, I think something HAS changed...

ALL of the world but the USA, including the USA military, uses meters now. And miliradians, being decimal based, go hand in hand with meters (of course you can use it with yards too).

Nearly all the military sniper reticles are miliradian based, it is the world standard.

No matter how you slice it, for military users MOA is going the way of the dodo bird.

Now, if you are a sport shooter and always shoot on a 1000 yds range, on a target that is purposely measured in MOA or inches, thigs may be different. But I think this is "sniper's hide"
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the point is more that the mil moa tossle has been going on for 80yrs and in fact is still going on to a degree. i really dont subscribe to one method over the other. i have been using a mil reticle/moa scope for a many many years and dont seem to have this issue of "converting" shit from one to the other. its all really simple to me either way. i still call corrections in moa whether im using a mil reticle or no reticle. im not saying im right....but i get rounds on target accurately and as quick as anyone one else.

kse
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sterling Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hmm, Isn't the M16 A4's BDC graduated in MOA? Isn't the M4's BDC graduated in MOA? And, last I taught it, the SDM course delivered sight adjustment and wind sessions in MOA. </div></div>
So what?
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: proneshooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sterling Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hmm, Isn't the M16 A4's BDC graduated in MOA? Isn't the M4's BDC graduated in MOA? And, last I taught it, the SDM course delivered sight adjustment and wind sessions in MOA. </div></div>
So what?</div></div>

An earlier poster stated that for military users the MOA concept is going the way of the dodo bird. My reference is counter to his comment. So, that's the so what of it.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

If by M16A4 BDC you mean the rear sight's elevation adjustment wheel, you are wrong. It is graduated in meters.

The ACOG reticle drop stadia lines are calibrated in either meters or yards. Can't remember which, but I am sure it ain't calibrated in MOA.

The Schmidt & Bender rifle scopes on the USMC M40A3 and M40A5 have milliradian windage and elevation adjustments.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<span style="font-weight: bold">An earlier poster stated that for military users the MOA concept is going the way of the dodo bird. My reference is counter to his comment</span>. So, that's the so what of it. [/quote]

Sterling, changes do not happen overnight... but the trend is there in the USA, and the changeover is nearly complete elsewhere.

The MOA is still there just because it is a "legacy" thing (both in hardware AND software), and some people are lazy to change something that we all know works well (anything will if you do your part) for something that is better but at first look is alien to them.

With respect to "A rifleman went to war", McBride was canadian, and they are now using mils and meters... things sure changed for them
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Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TiroFijo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">An earlier poster stated that for military users the MOA concept is going the way of the dodo bird. My reference is counter to his comment</span>. So, that's the so what of it. </div></div>

Sterling, changes do not happen overnight... but the trend is there in the USA, and the changeover is nearly complete elsewhere.

The MOA is still there just because it is a "legacy" thing (both in hardware AND software), and some people are lazy to change something that we all know works well (anything will if you do your part) for something that is better but at first look is alien to them.

With respect to "A rifleman went to war", McBride was canadian, and they are now using mils and meters... things sure changed for them
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mcbride was not canadian....he was from indiana but served a time in the canadian military.
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Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

Still, nothing changes about the bottom issue, since the armed forces he joined and he experienced combat in WWI with, this experience the base for his books "The Eema Gees" and "A rifleman went to war" have largely changed from MOA/yards to mils/meters for sniper rifles.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: proneshooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If by M16A4 BDC you mean the rear sight's elevation adjustment wheel, you are wrong. It is graduated in meters.

The ACOG reticle drop stadia lines are calibrated in either meters or yards. Can't remember which, but I am sure it ain't calibrated in MOA.

The Schmidt & Bender rifle scopes on the USMC M40A3 and M40A5 have milliradian windage and elevation adjustments.</div></div>

You're wrong. M16A4 windage 1/2 minute, elevation (rear) 1/2 minute, and elevation (front) 1.2 minute per click. The BDC is marked in meters, and from 6/3 bottomed out, plus two clicks, for zeroing at 25 meters, laying off those 2 clicks provides a 32-300 meter BSZ; plus, BDC function with hasty adjustment to 4, 5, or, with a full rev., 6/3 index, each corresponding to distance in meters, i.e.,400, 500, and 600 meters. AGOG adjustments are in MOA. Stadia represent inches at distance in meters. Don't confuse meters with mils or MOA. Meters is a linear measurement while MOA and mils are angular units of measurement. On the 31F for example the 400 meter wire subtends about 19 inches at stated distance, which could be restated in mm but for some folks favoring is faster with the linear measurement they've used since childhood.

All,

Today's military sights on the service rifle are what they are and what they are is MOA. Those are just the facts.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

Sterling, that's valid only for the few military rifes (american and ???) that put an intemediate value on their sights other than "100-200-300-etc.". I think that americans always confuse target sights with combat sights. The later are simpler and better IMO for a general issue rifle.

Of course the M16A4 is the epitome of a "legacy system", it does not make sense to change the sights from the numerous previous iterations that go back to 1963. And if you use MOA for your irons you might as well use them for the scope.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

YOU said the BDC on the rear sight was calibrated in MOA. I corrected you and now you come back with the lame ass excuse that the clicks are in 1/2 MOA increments.

That's right, the CLICKS on the rear sight are in 1/2 MOA increments. But that's NOT what you stated. You stated the BDC was set up in MOA.

Guess what Sherlock, I can just as well say that the M16A4 windage and elevation are set up in increments of .15 mils (.14543 if you want to get pedantic).

Montana Marine was right......
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TiroFijo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sterling, that's valid only for the few military rifes (american and ???) that put an intemediate value on their sights other than "100-200-300-etc.". I think that americans always confuse target sights with combat sights. The later are simpler and better IMO for a general issue rifle.

Of course the M16A4 is the epitome of a "legacy system", it does not make sense to change the sights from the numerous previous iterations that go back to 1963. And if you use MOA for your irons you might as well use them for the scope.
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Once again, I'm not making an argument, just stating the facts: today's M4, and M16A4 have sights graduated in MOA. It is not arguable. And, I'm not confusing target sights with combat sights. I am a MRI and teach from current SDM curriculum. Now, you can have an idea of what you think will get the job done but I just teach what I'm told, for the way the rifle's are actually fielded.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

You guys should go easy on Sterling, when you look up "Legacy" in the dictionary there is his picture, he is single solution provider, so if it is not Service Rifle Based, he has very little frame of reference to work from.

He is in fact specifically brought in for lowest common denominator legacy instruction, which, there is nothing wrong with, any instruction is better than none, but he is not necessarily up to speed on the latest and greatest and I don't think he cares much for it. Given the choice he would rather use iron sights and a sling over the latest scope and bipod, repeating, if that works for you, great, some people like to drive a 68 Impala, and it does well to get them from point A to point B. Other people want a hybrid with GPS and a plug for their iPod.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You guys should go easy on Sterling, when you look up "Legacy" in the dictionary there is his picture, he is single solution provider, so if it is not Service Rifle Based, he has very little frame of reference to work from.

He is in fact specifically brought in for lowest common denominator legacy instruction, which, there is nothing wrong with, any instruction is better than none, but he is not necessarily up to speed on the latest and greatest and I don't think he cares much for it. Given the choice he would rather use iron sights and a sling over the latest scope and bipod, repeating, if that works for you, great, some people like to drive a 68 Impala, and it does well to get them from point A to point B. Other people want a hybrid with GPS and a plug for their iPod. </div></div>


So, Soldiers participating in the Squad Designated Marksman Course are participating in lowest common denominator legacy training, is that what you're saying?
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sterling Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">3 to 1; and, BTW, seems to me, folks learning how to get good hits from 300 to 600 meters with rack grade M4's or M16A4's with as issued irons has no association with "lowest common" anything.</div></div>

Marines do it with everyone... so I would consider it pretty close to lowest, especially if you are dealing with a Line Unit. In terms of the Infantry that is your most basic, a Rifle Platoon. Maybe you can take it 1 notch up because you are pulling in the better shooters for a squad DM, but otherwise, what is the requirement ? To be picked by the unit ? How is different from a Marine in Boot Camp ?

Your SDM program sounds like pretty much standard USMC rifle training. Every Carbine class I have worked was shot out to 600 yards with standard M4s, even at Night we shot them to 600 under NV... so where is the trick ?

I learned to qualify out to 500 yards with an issued rifle, iron sights in boot camp, and shot expert every time, as high as 243 out of 250 using my well worn M16A2 w/ M203 attachment on it, sitting, kneeling, standing and prone.

if they are doing it in boot camp it is lowest.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

Mils are harder to use with iron sights. If you know the width of your front sight and the width of the target its simple to divide "target width divided by front sight"

An example is the average width of the M1 Garand front sight is .076. Take the 19 inch E-silhouette which is 19 inches wide.

19/.076 = 250 yards (I think that has something to do with the ideal of having a Battle Sight of 250 yards for the M1 Garand).

The Mil Dot system has its place, but so the the MOA system.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TiroFijo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Or just tell the grunts that the front sight width covers an E silhouette at 225 m...
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no matter if it is mil or moa...us grunts in the good ol USof A still generally think in yards not meters. there just aint shit in this country you are taught to reference in meters unless you are on a track team. i suppose you think the game of football should send yards the way of the dodo bird too?

aint gonna happen.

ive never been on a rifle range in the USMC that wasn't referenced in yards. i cant speak as of within the last few years but when i was in it was yards no matter the sight correction. you are taught to be able estimate range by something you know and yards is it for most here.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

USMC is Yards,

The Army works in Meters...

So we are not standardized by any means, changing over to meters and mils would be the smarter and easier move going forward.

the Legacy crowd like they believe we all work in MOA and Yards, but that is simply not the case anymore.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">USMC is Yards,

The Army works in Meters...

So we are not standardized by any means, changing over to meters and mils would be the smarter and easier move going forward.

the Legacy crowd like they believe we all work in MOA and Yards, but that is simply not the case anymore. </div></div>

well devildog, you are no doubt using mils but i bet you first reference any distance you see in yards....i may be wrong though.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Killswitch engage</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TiroFijo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Or just tell the grunts that the front sight width covers an E silhouette at 225 m...
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no matter if it is mil or moa...us grunts in the good ol USof A still generally think in yards not meters. there just aint shit in this country you are taught to reference in meters unless you are on a track team. i suppose you think the game of football should send yards the way of the dodo bird too?

aint gonna happen.

ive never been on a rifle range in the USMC that wasn't referenced in yards. i cant speak as of within the last few years but when i was in it was yards no matter the sight correction. you are taught to be able estimate range by something you know and yards is it for most here. </div></div>

Now, that's forward thinking... come'on, between yds and meters it ia a freaking 10% difference and anybody can learn it and keep it with a couple's days practice. We all nitpick about shooting esoterica, and this mil/MOA, meters/yds thing is way, WAY simpler than even the most basic balistic stuff you are supossed to learn.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

i really have zero issue with any of it. it will be what it will be. as i said from the beginning i have no problems using either formula and really dont subscribe to one over the other. i see the values of each system. the whole point of the thread was how i thought it ironic this same sort of dicussion was being had to a degree 80yrs ago...to which all the posts in this thread have validated my point.

i do however not see my self switching to the metric system for linear values. some things the dog just doesnt want to bother with...
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Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

Killswitch, the entire mils vs MOA thing has been resolved on the side of mils/meters on all places on earth but the USA. And of course the entire world (including the USA military) measures things and uses maps in meters now. In a few years talking to any foreign ally that stuff is "x yds away" will get you a blank stare...

IIRC, all construction plans for US federal buildings must be submited in meters now, most factories use the metric system, all university and science, medical, engineering stuff is metric, etc., etc... it is unstopable and clearly the way of the future. And I thought the "american way" included pride about being flexible and acompetitive and always adopting the better, simpler standard to remain on top.

Being from "the rest of the world" my perpective may be different than yours.

I cannot understand why everyone in USA wants the latest and greatest in shooting stuff, sometimes very pricey, of very limited value, and difficult to master, but bitterly argue about converting to a better, faster, more accurate, decimal, all compatible system that is the world standard and can easily be mastered in a couple of days.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Killswitch engage</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">USMC is Yards,

The Army works in Meters...

So we are not standardized by any means, changing over to meters and mils would be the smarter and easier move going forward.

the Legacy crowd like they believe we all work in MOA and Yards, but that is simply not the case anymore. </div></div>

well devildog, you are no doubt using mils but i bet you first reference any distance you see in yards....i may be wrong though.</div></div>

What does yards have to do with anything you can use Mils with miles.. the fact isn't yards as much as there is no standard. The US Army is much bigger than the Marines and they use Meters... my point was, your blanket statement doesn't fly, just because the Marines use Yards means nothing, they also use Mils now too... so a change to meters could make life even easier.

I mean, when the USMC first got them S&B scopes, and went to mils they were wrong in stating they had to "convert" to yards, and it was an extra step. This is false and part of the problem.

The trend is also moving in the direction that the basic soldier / Marine, etc, is using an optic, not irons as much. So moving them to an mil based optic, even a red dot is easy... nobody using a red dot is there thinking in anything but holds anyway.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Killswitch engage</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">USMC is Yards,

The Army works in Meters...

So we are not standardized by any means, changing over to meters and mils would be the smarter and easier move going forward.

the Legacy crowd like they believe we all work in MOA and Yards, but that is simply not the case anymore. </div></div>

well devildog, you are no doubt using mils but i bet you first reference any distance you see in yards....i may be wrong though.</div></div>

What does yards have to do with anything you can use Mils with miles.. the fact isn't yards as much as there is no standard. The US Army is much bigger than the Marines and they use Meters... my point was, your blanket statement doesn't fly, just because the Marines use Yards means nothing, they also use Mils now too... so a change to meters could make life even easier.

I mean, when the USMC first got them S&B scopes, and went to mils they were wrong in stating they had to "convert" to yards, and it was an extra step. This is false and part of the problem.

The trend is also moving in the direction that the basic soldier / Marine, etc, is using an optic, not irons as much. So moving them to an mil based optic, even a red dot is easy... nobody using a red dot is there thinking in anything but holds anyway. </div></div>

i was simply making a simple statement as to why the "yards" is still being used in my opinion. not that there is or isn't a standard across the branches. no mater if a soldier/marine is using yards or meters, they are still attempting to judge distance by something they know. that something in the united states tends to be one hundred yard increments because that is what we generally know....for now.

i am well aware of how mils work and understand where the trend is moving. i am not really holding on to anything here. as i said again, i have no issues with either system and whatever the big green gunclub does is what they feel they need to do.

my pointof the thread again is the fact this argument has been and still is ongoing 80yrs later. nothing more.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

For me, linear measure is more quickly recognized in English rather than metric terms. It's the way I learned to see things as taught in elementary school. When I holdover or favor, I'm thinking about it as inches or feet of holdover or favor. Of course, no matter how anyone sees it, either measurement system will relate to any angular unit of measure.

Also, since I instruct using sights and scopes which are graduated in MOA, such as the M16A4 and M4 BDC, or the TA-31F, and TA-01 AGOG, etc., I relate MOA to either the English or metric measurement system. However, since the USAMU's SDM course relates MOA to English linear measurement, as well as the metric system in some instances, when assisting the AMU in their training of military personnel participating to the SDM course, I stick to the script. The script uses the metric system for distance to target, and at target distance, holdovers and favors are expressed in English (common) terms.

I don't see what I present to students as being past, present, or future, it is what it is. If the doctrine was mils and meters then that's what I'd teach.

Whether or not the MOA unit of measure is legacy or not I do not know, however, I don't think there are any governing bodies who have declared it obsolete.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

Army and Marine manuals of the past and present also state Humidity makes the air "more dense" causing the round to drop faster, so do you stick to that script because that is what the Army and Marines have written? ( I can give you page numbers)

This is why units seeks outside training, institutional incest that passes on one mistake after another from class to class simple because that is how it is written, not because it is right.

The solution is available, the fact everyone but the US does it differently says something. Then you get someone like Horus moving in and simply showing people the way everyone else is doing it and it becomes revolutionary. People wonder why we laugh or state we do it just as easy with plain old mil Reticles never realizing that is how everyone else does it.

No rocket science , no voodoo, the fact you can skin a cat more than one way is completely understood, but as I was taught in the USMC, it's good to be hard, hard to be smart.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TiroFijo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Killswitch, the entire mils vs MOA thing has been resolved on the side of mils/meters on all places on earth but the USA.<span style="font-weight: bold"> And of course the entire world measures things and uses maps in meters now</span>. </div></div>


So if the entire world was jumping off a cliff.... oh wait...
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Sorry I couldn't help myself.

And to answer your question about why a lot of us have all the latest greatest doohickeys, whizbangs and thingamajiggers but we refuse to conform to the "new world order" measurement system it's pretty simple.

Because we're Americans, our country was built on the foundation of doing things differently than other parts of the world and most of us will be damned before we allow the rest of the world dictate to us how to live our lives.

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No offense meant to how anyone else chooses to run their countries, I just support the American right to do things the way we see fit.

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Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IndySSD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TiroFijo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Killswitch, the entire mils vs MOA thing has been resolved on the side of mils/meters on all places on earth but the USA.<span style="font-weight: bold"> And of course the entire world measures things and uses maps in meters now</span>. </div></div>


So if the entire world was jumping off a cliff.... oh wait...
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Sorry I couldn't help myself.

And to answer your question about why a lot of us have all the latest greatest doohickeys, whizbangs and thingamajiggers but we refuse to conform to the "new world order" measurement system it's pretty simple.

Because we're Americans, our country was built on the foundation of doing things differently than other parts of the world and most of us will be damned before we allow the rest of the world dictate to us how to live our lives.

cool.gif


No offense meant to how anyone else chooses to run their countries, I just support the American right to do things the way we see fit.

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Dumbest response ever...

In 1978 the USMC was working on the MST-100, they were probably more to blame for the mix of Mils and MOA than anyone, although Leupold followed shortly after at the request of the Army. If we were so determined to use MOA then why would they simply not make the reticle in MOA ? Were they not savvy enough to figure out the math to range a target. Was it all about artillery, although the USMC scope used 6283 versus the Army using 6400, so that doesn't really make sense. Was it because of Unertl getting back to his German roots and using Mils but then adding MOA ... technically it was a BDC Turret with an MOA Fine tuning adjustment so did they simply compromise ?

Really doesn't matter, what should is the fact we realize it is not a very good way, nor is it an efficient way of doing business. It's been proven time and time again that mixing methods is slow, and leads to confusion, that matching the turrets to the reticle is a better way to work. Even if you include a BDC reticle, and we have also learned if you are doing it right there is no "thinking' in any way, but reading the reticle, so if you thinking about it, in terms of a linear measurement at distance, as in, I need to "X" Inches at 435 yards so that means "Y" MOA is necessary, you are doing it in the most inefficient manner possible. Especially since that all changes when you have to think, X Inches at 333 Meters, = Y MOA, because you can simply read the reticle which is ruler. The iron sight argument is silly, especially when you have the legacy crowd coming in to prove a point about irons and tell us what their M1 Garand sight subtends... as stated you can give a subtension to anything.

Sure there are pros and cons to anything, but there are far less using Mils, and saying we want MOA because are American is silly... I'm American, I can speak in Mils and MOA, I prefer Mils and learned MOA First. In my opinion it boils down to nothing more than common sense, its the easy solution between two points the shooter and the target.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IndySSD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TiroFijo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Killswitch, the entire mils vs MOA thing has been resolved on the side of mils/meters on all places on earth but the USA.<span style="font-weight: bold"> And of course the entire world measures things and uses maps in meters now</span>. </div></div>


So if the entire world was jumping off a cliff.... oh wait...
grin.gif


Sorry I couldn't help myself.

And to answer your question about why a lot of us have all the latest greatest doohickeys, whizbangs and thingamajiggers but we refuse to conform to the "new world order" measurement system it's pretty simple.

Because we're Americans, our country was built on the foundation of doing things differently than other parts of the world and most of us will be damned before we allow the rest of the world dictate to us how to live our lives.

cool.gif


No offense meant to how anyone else chooses to run their countries, I just support the American right to do things the way we see fit.

polls_two_cents_0_1932_493185_answer_1_xlarge.jpeg

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Dumbest response ever...

In 1978 the USMC was working on the MST-100, they were probably more to blame for the mix of Mils and MOA than anyone, although Leupold followed shortly after at the request of the Army. If we were so determined to use MOA then why would they simply not make the reticle in MOA ? Were they not savvy enough to figure out the math to range a target. Was it all about artillery, although the USMC scope used 6283 versus the Army using 6400, so that doesn't really make sense. Was it because of Unertl getting back to his German roots and using Mils but then adding MOA ... technically it was a BDC Turret with an MOA Fine tuning adjustment so did they simply compromise ?

Really doesn't matter, what should is the fact we realize it is not a very good way, nor is it an efficient way of doing business. It's been proven time and time again that mixing methods is slow, and leads to confusion, that matching the turrets to the reticle is a better way to work. Even if you include a BDC reticle, and we have also learned if you are doing it right there is no "thinking' in any way, but reading the reticle, so if you thinking about it, in terms of a linear measurement at distance, as in, I need to "X" Inches at 435 yards so that means "Y" MOA is necessary, you are doing it in the most inefficient manner possible. Especially since that all changes when you have to think, X Inches at 333 Meters, = Y MOA, because you can simply read the reticle which is ruler. The iron sight argument is silly, especially when you have the legacy crowd coming in to prove a point about irons and tell us what their M1 Garand sight subtends... as stated you can give a subtension to anything.

Sure there are pros and cons to anything, but there are far less using Mils, and saying we want MOA because are American is silly... I'm American, I can speak in Mils and MOA, I prefer Mils and learned MOA First. In my opinion it boils down to nothing more than common sense, its the easy solution between two points the shooter and the target. </div></div>

Sorry, didn't mean for it to be a factual response, just a humorous reasoning for why we're so stubborn.

Americans are stubborn. That was just my interpretation of it as a layperson who learned to shoot from the back porch, about 10 miles away from the nearest stoplight almost 30 years ago.

Obviously I don't have the background or historical knowledge that you and others have here. I'm not trying to pretend I do. Guess my post wasn't as humorous of an interpretation as I thought it was when I posted it.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sterling Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not aware of any statement within in the USAMU's SDM curriculum which is not factual.</div></div>

What does it say about Humidity, that is the quickest way to find out. You should have it there, I can quote you the page number out of the Army Sniper TM.

3-17 section i. is completely wrong.

I can probably quote more but I am heading out the door.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">




Really doesn't matter, what should is the fact we realize it is not a very good way, nor is it an efficient way of doing business. It's been proven time and time again that mixing methods is slow, and leads to confusion, that matching the turrets to the reticle is a better way to work. Even if you include a BDC reticle, and we have also learned if you are doing it right there is no "thinking' in any way, but reading the reticle, so if you thinking about it, in terms of a linear measurement at distance, as in, I need to "X" Inches at 435 yards so that means "Y" MOA is necessary, you are doing it in the most inefficient manner possible. Especially since that all changes when you have to think, X Inches at 333 Meters, = Y MOA, because you can simply read the reticle which is ruler. T </div></div>

The BDC on the ACOG will require some "thinking" about wind favors, which can, at target distance, be described in MOA of drift, mils of drift or in mm or inches. Typically an SDM student would favor thinking about it in inches of favor since the stadia subtend in inches at stated distance.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TiroFijo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Killswitch, the entire mils vs MOA thing has been resolved on the side of mils/meters on all places on earth but the USA. And of course the entire world (including the USA military) measures things and uses maps in meters now. In a few years talking to any foreign ally that stuff is "x yds away" will get you a blank stare...

IIRC, all construction plans for US federal buildings must be submited in meters now, most factories use the metric system, all university and science, medical, engineering stuff is metric, etc., etc... it is unstopable and clearly the way of the future. And I thought the "american way" included pride about being flexible and acompetitive and always adopting the better, simpler standard to remain on top.

Being from "the rest of the world" my perpective may be different than yours.

I cannot understand why everyone in USA wants the latest and greatest in shooting stuff, sometimes very pricey, of very limited value, and difficult to master, but bitterly argue about converting to a better, faster, more accurate, decimal, all compatible system that is the world standard and can easily be mastered in a couple of days. </div></div>

Why do you think a Mil is a metric measurement?

It is no more metric than a percent. It is a relationship of numbers and that relationship can be applied to any unit of measure.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

RAD, of course you are right
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But the miliradian is decimal based, and while it can be used with any unit of length, it fits better with meters for that reason.

1.0 mil = 10 cm at 100 m (0.10 m if you wish... see, just move the decimal point
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10 mils = 1.00 m at 100 m ---> BTW, the popular stadia lines for quick ranging use 1.00 m top of head to crotch

range (m) = (object size(m)/mil reading)*1000

Why use yards to measure range, and feet and inches for objects? Of course it can be done, but it does not make sense.

Some people have tables of known object sizes in yards, with decimals, this way you can use yards both for distance and object and the math is simplified. But nobody normally "thinks" decimal with US units: you are 6'1" tall, not 6.083 feet tall nor 2.028 yds tall

As said before:

- mil is the world AND the USA standard for sniper reticles
- it makes sense to match reticle with clicks
- it also makes sense to match your trayectory tables (wind, drop) with reticle and clicks

to further enhance the system:

- maps are in meters, and the USA military uses meters for distance. Makes sense since all NATO members and all other coutries in the world, allies or foes use this system.
- mils are a better fit with meters, because both are decimal
- change to meters and live forever happy
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sterling Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not aware of any statement within in the USAMU's SDM curriculum which is not factual.</div></div>

What does it say about Humidity, that is the quickest way to find out. You should have it there, I can quote you the page number out of the Army Sniper TM.

3-17 section i. is completely wrong.

I can probably quote more but I am heading out the door. </div></div>

I'm sure you can quote more; but, not from the USAMU's SDM course materials.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sterling Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sterling Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not aware of any statement within in the USAMU's SDM curriculum which is not factual.</div></div>

What does it say about Humidity, that is the quickest way to find out. You should have it there, I can quote you the page number out of the Army Sniper TM.

3-17 section i. is completely wrong.

I can probably quote more but I am heading out the door. </div></div>

I'm sure you can quote more; but, not from the USAMU's SDM course materials.</div></div>

Well I would consider SDM a step below Sniper Training so, hopefully since you have access to the SDM course of instruction you know enough to find these errors yourself so you can edit the script a bit.

But you got me, I can't quote the SDM Course...
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But you got me, I can't quote the SDM Course...</div></div>I don't have the materials in front of me, but if I remember right have a look at spin-drift - service rifle shooters will likely sign-on that one needs to dial a few left 'clicks' at 600.
 
Re: Not alot has changed in 80yrs......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But you got me, I can't quote the SDM Course...</div></div>I don't have the materials in front of me, but if I remember right have a look at spin-drift - service rifle shooters will likely sign-on that one needs to dial a few left 'clicks' at 600.</div></div>

Falls under the heading, if it is written it must be true...