Currently I have an order in for a 16" SS Recon with VIS and Switchblock. I very tempted to switch to a Noveske SPR for the added accuracy but as far as I can tell they don't make the SPR with both VIS and Switchblock. If that is the case does anyone have an opinion which to go for. The SPR with VIS or SPR with Switchblock.
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Noveske SPR with VIS or Noveske SPR w/ Switchblock
- Thread starter JJBMD
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Re: Noveske SPR with VIS or Noveske SPR w/ Switchblock
get the switch block! they do help if you are gonna run it suppressed
get the switch block! they do help if you are gonna run it suppressed
Re: Noveske SPR with VIS or Noveske SPR w/ Switchblock
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJBMD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I very tempted to switch to a Noveske SPR for the added accuracy..............</div></div>
More barrel length does not equate to more accuracy. You may actually find the opposite especially if you are hanging a suppressor on it.
More barrel length will equal more velocity, but ask yourself if you need it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJBMD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I very tempted to switch to a Noveske SPR for the added accuracy..............</div></div>
More barrel length does not equate to more accuracy. You may actually find the opposite especially if you are hanging a suppressor on it.
More barrel length will equal more velocity, but ask yourself if you need it.
Re: Noveske SPR with VIS or Noveske SPR w/ Switchblock
The old scool of thought was the longer barrel gives you a longer sight plane which does increase accuracy. optics takes this out of the mix.Barrel stiffness in any given lenght can add to accuracy. But like anything all factors must be taken in to the mix. No free lunch. No two weapons are the same just like women.
Scot
The old scool of thought was the longer barrel gives you a longer sight plane which does increase accuracy. optics takes this out of the mix.Barrel stiffness in any given lenght can add to accuracy. But like anything all factors must be taken in to the mix. No free lunch. No two weapons are the same just like women.
Scot
Re: Noveske SPR with VIS or Noveske SPR w/ Switchblock
Not being a jerk, but call Noveske and ask them their opinion. Tell them your specific use.
I wanted an accurate AR platform for use as a Perimiter gun. I put a NF 2.5-10x32 on it.
I wound up with their 16" Recon and I am very pleased with the rifle.
Not being a jerk, but call Noveske and ask them their opinion. Tell them your specific use.
I wanted an accurate AR platform for use as a Perimiter gun. I put a NF 2.5-10x32 on it.
I wound up with their 16" Recon and I am very pleased with the rifle.
Re: Noveske SPR with VIS or Noveske SPR w/ Switchblock
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJBMD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hate to say it but the extra length cannot hurt? Unless you are telling me the VIS on the Recon adds more stiffness/ stability that more than offsets the extra barrel length?
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Your assumptions on barrel length are incorrect!
First, you won't get any additional rigidity going with the VIS on the Recon over the SPR setup. You WILL ABSOLUTELY get a more rigid barrel with the 16" versus the 20" barrel with all things being equal in terms of barrel contour, material, etc.
Additional barrel length, combined with added muzzle weight (like with attaching a can which we are assuming you'll be doing given your desire for a swicthblock) may actually cause a deterioration in accuracy, larger POI shift between suppressed and unsuppressed shooting, etc.
Before you go either direction or get any more advice, it might help to know the following...what are your plans for the rifle in terms of ranges you want/need to shoot? What targets do you plan to engage at those ranges (paper, steel, game, etc.)? Are you going to run a can or not? What types of ammo do you plan to run out of your rifle? Are you going to run irons or optics?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJBMD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hate to say it but the extra length cannot hurt? Unless you are telling me the VIS on the Recon adds more stiffness/ stability that more than offsets the extra barrel length?
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Your assumptions on barrel length are incorrect!
First, you won't get any additional rigidity going with the VIS on the Recon over the SPR setup. You WILL ABSOLUTELY get a more rigid barrel with the 16" versus the 20" barrel with all things being equal in terms of barrel contour, material, etc.
Additional barrel length, combined with added muzzle weight (like with attaching a can which we are assuming you'll be doing given your desire for a swicthblock) may actually cause a deterioration in accuracy, larger POI shift between suppressed and unsuppressed shooting, etc.
Before you go either direction or get any more advice, it might help to know the following...what are your plans for the rifle in terms of ranges you want/need to shoot? What targets do you plan to engage at those ranges (paper, steel, game, etc.)? Are you going to run a can or not? What types of ammo do you plan to run out of your rifle? Are you going to run irons or optics?
Re: Noveske SPR with VIS or Noveske SPR w/ Switchblock
To answer your questions.
what are your plans for the rifle in terms of ranges you want/need to shoot? UP TO 800M
What targets do you plan to engage at those ranges (paper, steel, game, etc.)? ALL
Are you going to run a can or not? PROBABLY NOT BUT I LIKE THE OPTION
What types of ammo do you plan to run out of your rifle? 62G and 77G
Are you going to run irons or optics? OPTICS
I'm ex military, basically looking for a fun accurate gun to shoot.
To answer your questions.
what are your plans for the rifle in terms of ranges you want/need to shoot? UP TO 800M
What targets do you plan to engage at those ranges (paper, steel, game, etc.)? ALL
Are you going to run a can or not? PROBABLY NOT BUT I LIKE THE OPTION
What types of ammo do you plan to run out of your rifle? 62G and 77G
Are you going to run irons or optics? OPTICS
I'm ex military, basically looking for a fun accurate gun to shoot.
Re: Noveske SPR with VIS or Noveske SPR w/ Switchblock
The extra barrel lenght can't hurt if the design of the barrel is such as stiffness is maintained.I.E. 1"under handgaurd stepped at gasblock to .950/.750 depending on lenght. M4 profile with notch for launcher is tacticool but useless in any other app.I like 16"carbines and have no use for "CANS" waste of money for a dirty mess and low velosity. Pro muffs that allow normal hearing and block blast noise.With no tax stamp.They issued cans to some marine units and they took them off or gave them to the boots.My nephew was there and that is what he said happened .two tours as a saw gunner he earned the right to tell the tale.
Scot
The extra barrel lenght can't hurt if the design of the barrel is such as stiffness is maintained.I.E. 1"under handgaurd stepped at gasblock to .950/.750 depending on lenght. M4 profile with notch for launcher is tacticool but useless in any other app.I like 16"carbines and have no use for "CANS" waste of money for a dirty mess and low velosity. Pro muffs that allow normal hearing and block blast noise.With no tax stamp.They issued cans to some marine units and they took them off or gave them to the boots.My nephew was there and that is what he said happened .two tours as a saw gunner he earned the right to tell the tale.
Scot
Re: Noveske SPR with VIS or Noveske SPR w/ Switchblock
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The extra barrel lenght can't hurt if the design of the barrel is such as stiffness is maintained.I.E. 1"under handgaurd stepped at gasblock to .950/.750 depending on lenght. M4 profile with notch for launcher is tacticool but useless in any other app.I like 16"carbines and have no use for "CANS" waste of money for a dirty mess and low velosity. Pro muffs that allow normal hearing and block blast noise.With no tax stamp.They issued cans to some marine units and they took them off or gave them to the boots.My nephew was there and that is what he said happened .two tours as a saw gunner he earned the right to tell the tale.
Scot </div></div>
Suppressors actually do not lower velocity in fact they increase it. Only very slightly but still. I would have killed to be able to have used a can when I was in, my hearing sucks now. And yes the rifle gets dirtier but all you have to do is keep the weapon lubed and it'll run.
I have the N4 Light Recce S/B only difference between mine and what you want is the barrel. I'm quite happy with this gun. It's a good gun for all purposes. I can shoot short range comfortably and long range just fine. And the S/B makes a noticeable difference when shooting with the silencer. I'm not a huge fan of the VIS because it's so heavy. Unless you have a specific need for a monolithic rail. IE mounting a scope farther forward or Laser etc. I'd stick with Noveske's SWS rail. It's lighter and IMHO looks better. BTW how long are you going to have to wait I may know where you can get one now.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The extra barrel lenght can't hurt if the design of the barrel is such as stiffness is maintained.I.E. 1"under handgaurd stepped at gasblock to .950/.750 depending on lenght. M4 profile with notch for launcher is tacticool but useless in any other app.I like 16"carbines and have no use for "CANS" waste of money for a dirty mess and low velosity. Pro muffs that allow normal hearing and block blast noise.With no tax stamp.They issued cans to some marine units and they took them off or gave them to the boots.My nephew was there and that is what he said happened .two tours as a saw gunner he earned the right to tell the tale.
Scot </div></div>
Suppressors actually do not lower velocity in fact they increase it. Only very slightly but still. I would have killed to be able to have used a can when I was in, my hearing sucks now. And yes the rifle gets dirtier but all you have to do is keep the weapon lubed and it'll run.
I have the N4 Light Recce S/B only difference between mine and what you want is the barrel. I'm quite happy with this gun. It's a good gun for all purposes. I can shoot short range comfortably and long range just fine. And the S/B makes a noticeable difference when shooting with the silencer. I'm not a huge fan of the VIS because it's so heavy. Unless you have a specific need for a monolithic rail. IE mounting a scope farther forward or Laser etc. I'd stick with Noveske's SWS rail. It's lighter and IMHO looks better. BTW how long are you going to have to wait I may know where you can get one now.
Re: Noveske SPR with VIS or Noveske SPR w/ Switchblock
I have a 16 with VIS and Switchblock. The VIS is really eye candy, I an not convinced that it adds anything. But it really looks good and I like the idea of having a high end AR. But thats just me.
The switchblock: not only can you reduce the gas flow for a can, which I do, BUT - you can turn it off and have a bolt gun for all intents and purposes. I have found that the groups become more consistent and smaller with the gas off.
Thats why I like the REPR, I can turn off the gas and shoot like a bolty.
I have a 16 with VIS and Switchblock. The VIS is really eye candy, I an not convinced that it adds anything. But it really looks good and I like the idea of having a high end AR. But thats just me.
The switchblock: not only can you reduce the gas flow for a can, which I do, BUT - you can turn it off and have a bolt gun for all intents and purposes. I have found that the groups become more consistent and smaller with the gas off.
Thats why I like the REPR, I can turn off the gas and shoot like a bolty.
