NYPD New Year's Rifle

[Buck Wilde]

On New Year's Eve, a friend of mine sent me some photos and video his son had shot. His son works in Manhattan, and he photographed a cop (hopefully) with a big ol' sniper rifle.

My understanding is that this thing is a Sako which costs about $12,000 before glass. That's the price for people who actually pay for it, although these guns were provided to the NYPD in a high-profile transaction, so maybe they got a deal.

My question: if Chris Kyle got by with a $6,500 rifle, why did the NYPD need this Sako?

I checked Sako's website, and it looks like it's full of sales BS, but I am no sniper.

They say this thing can be worked on by the user. Well, I work on my guns just fine, and I am incapable of real gunsmithing. And police departments have unions that would never go for taking work away from full-time armorers.

They say you can swap the barrel for different jobs. If you can afford a $12,000 gun, can't you afford more guns and leave the barrels where they are? Maybe I'm ignorant, but what professional sniper wants to swap barrels after he gets his gun just right? It makes no sense to me. How would you keep your zero? And if you have to swap barrels before leaving the station, doesn't it mean you're an incompetent who has no idea what the mission is? Shouldn't you have all that stuff figured out before the call comes?

The whole thing mystifies me. You can walk into Bass Pro and buy a reliable 0.75-MOA rifle whenever you want, so what is the purpose of this thing? No cop needs more accuracy than that.

Okay, tell me why I'm wrong. I just put my flameproof socks on.

 

[cas6969]

So Chris Kyle wouldn't have liked a $12k rifle?
Audie Murphy preferred a $45 rifle.

 

[Buck Wilde]

All I know is, Kyle said he used a TAC-338 in the service. I don't know anything at all about his hobby guns.

Audie Murphy didn't need a rifle!

 

[ironpony52]

Why shouldn't they have nice things too..........

 

[Supersubes]

On New Year's Eve, a friend of mine sent me some photos and video his son had shot. His son works in Manhattan, and he photographed a cop (hopefully) with a big ol' sniper rifle.

My understanding is that this thing is a Sako which costs about $12,000 before glass. That's the price for people who actually pay for it, although these guns were provided to the NYPD in a high-profile transaction, so maybe they got a deal.

My question: if Chris Kyle got by with a $6,500 rifle, why did the NYPD need this Sako?

I checked Sako's website, and it looks like it's full of sales BS, but I am no sniper.

They say this thing can be worked on by the user. Well, I work on my guns just fine, and I am incapable of real gunsmithing. And police departments have unions that would never go for taking work away from full-time armorers.

They say you can swap the barrel for different jobs. If you can afford a $12,000 gun, can't you afford more guns and leave the barrels where they are? Maybe I'm ignorant, but what professional sniper wants to swap barrels after he gets his gun just right? It makes no sense to me. How would you keep your zero? And if you have to swap barrels before leaving the station, doesn't it mean you're an incompetent who has no idea what the mission is? Shouldn't you have all that stuff figured out before the call comes?

The whole thing mystifies me. You can walk into Bass Pro and buy a reliable 0.75-MOA rifle whenever you want, so what is the purpose of this thing? No cop needs more accuracy than that.

Okay, tell me why I'm wrong. I just put my flameproof socks on.


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Do you pay attention to whats being talked about here on the hide? You’ve been here four years, so you must read to some degree. These features you’re failing to understand are discussed here incessantly.

 

[Hecouldgoalltheway]

The government doesn't care what things cost because money isn't real, so they have an unlimited amount of it. On the flipside I shot for a week one time with the swat snipers from around Colorado Springs. Denver, vale, Pueblo, (I think), and several more. They showed up with gear ranging from stock rem 700's from Walmart with 3-9x bushnell scopes that weren't zeroed, all the way to a Cheytac intervention .I think the cheytac was from Vale. Most of them were really good guys, most of them had little or no training, and little or no familiarity with their weapons systems. Some of them didn't even have any camouflage. There were a few that had been to police or civilian sniper schools, and maybe one or two were former military snipers. Their equipment, skill level, physical fitness, general intelligence, and ballistic intelligence ran the gamut. I learned that if you're ever in a situation where a police sniper needs to shoot someone close to you, you probably better duck. There's a pretty good chance they won't even be able to hit the building that you're standing in. Most of them had basically no annual budget allocated for training, or even ammo for range time. The guys with the cheytac didn't even have any ammo. I think they said that they were given 100rds with the rifle and it was gone, so now they had to wait for the next quarter or something to get more. I guess if it's someone I care about in a bad spot, I'd prefer that they had the best gear and training money can buy.

 

[wpeach1912]

Since according to the internet, accuracy at 100 yards is the only thing that matters. This should be the perfect sniper rifle

 

[wvfarrier]

The government doesn't care what things cost because money isn't real, so they have an unlimited amount of it. On the flipside I shot for a week one time with the swat snipers from around Colorado Springs. Denver, vale, Pueblo, (I think), and several more. They showed up with gear ranging from stock rem 700's from Walmart with 3-9x bushnell scopes that weren't zeroed, all the way to a Cheytac intervention .I think the cheytac was from Vale. Most of them were really good guys, most of them had little or no training, and little or no familiarity with their weapons systems. Some of them didn't even have any camouflage. There were a few that had been to police or civilian sniper schools, and maybe one or two were former military snipers. Their equipment, skill level, physical fitness, general intelligence, and ballistic intelligence ran the gamut. I learned that if you're ever in a situation where a military sniper needs to shoot someone close to you, you probably better duck. There's a pretty good chance they won't even be able to hit the building that you're standing in. Most of them had basically no annual budget allocated for training, or even ammo for range time. The guys with the cheytac didn't even have any ammo. I think they said that they were given 100rds with the rifle and it was gone, so now they had to wait for the next quarter or something to get more. I guess if it's someone I care about in a bad spot, I'd prefer that they had the best gear and training money can buy.

When I was "allocated" to the sniper position of our PD SWAT, I had to agree to provide my own weapon and ammo since the dept was paying for the school.

 

[Aftermath]

Since according to the internet, accuracy at 100 yards is the only thing that matters. This should be the perfect sniper rifle

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Do you have to get into Proper Prone Position with this one? Assuming it's being used in Competition Shooting, of course. Otherwise, Proper Prone Position ain't for you anyways.

 

[GrayRyder]

(Spoken with the voice of Tommy Chong) - It's a MAGIC rifle man. Never misses man.

 

[jbuck88]

Can't yell from the picture. Could be a trg22a1, trg42a1 or trg m10. Someone else that knows more about them might see more then I can.

Anyways, could be a switch barrel rifle (m10) or not (trg22a1/trg42a1)

 

[Buck Wilde]

Do you pay attention to whats being talked about here on the hide? You’ve been here four years, so you must read to some degree. These features you’re failing to understand are discussed here incessantly.

These socks are working great. That's a non-answer.

To provide an ANSWER that will help someone else with uncertainty, the NYPD got itself a bunch of Sako Trg M10's, so I supposed this is one of them.

 

[ClangClang]

Departmental purchases are completely different from personal purchases. You do not understand governmental purchasing.

Especially a well funded department like NYPD ERT. They buy based on a series of pre-published, non negotiable requirements via public bid/RFP including timelines, spare parts, training packages, certain features, etc. Then companies are free to respond and submit proposals. The company who provides the bid closest to the requirements at a price within the department's budget will usually get the award (assuming no backalley dealing, of course).

Whoever made the bid (it probably wasnt Sako at all, more likely a US based distributor/dealer for Sako) put together a full package bid for NYPD. The Sako was the rifle listed on the bid. It could have just as easily been an AI (or anything else similar). It just happened to be a Sako. At the end of the day, the Sako is borderline irrelevant to NYPD. They bought based on the full program, e.g. everything surrounding/supporting the rifle, not the rifle itself.

 

[ma smith]

Sako TRG M10 Rifles to NYPD Emergency Service Unit.

Beretta USA, a member of the BDT, announced the delivery to NYPD of several Sako TRG M10 multi-caliber sniper systems to support the mission of its Emergency Service Unit . Beretta USA will also provide armorer training.

www.sako.global

 

[Ruff 364]

What is your point?

If your Mom was taken hostage wouldn't you want the Police Sniper to have the very best gear to end the hostage taker?

 

[FUNCTIONAL]

Having worked for the state of NY i can tell you that if you don't spend every dime of your budget every year than you are pulling teeth to ever get that much money again. They basically see it's you don't really need that money so it goes somewhere else next yearand good luck ever getting that back.

 

[Buck Wilde]

If my mom were alive, I would be pretty confident in a sniper with an RPR, let alone a TAC-338 or Sako. But for all I know, an NYPD sniper could come here and give a great explanation for using the Sako.

The stuff about municipal purchasing makes total sense to me. I don't mean that what they do makes sense to me, but the explanation makes sense.

 

[cas6969]

an NYPD sniper could come here and give a great explanation for using the Sako.

The reason would be the same as a military sniper. "That's what they gave us."

(picture I posted is one of the rifles, relative holding it in the photo. (He's not ESU, SRG, PDQ, LMNOP))

 

[Hecouldgoalltheway]

The reason would be the same as a military sniper. "That's what they gave us."

(picture I posted is one of the rifles, relative holding it in the photo. (He's not ESU, SRG, PDQ, LMNOP))

That's what we said about the M110, and then hated them for about 3 years until they finally replaced them. Now larpers pay $25k for them.

 

[jbuck88]

If you think about it. They total they spent on the Sako rifles is significantly less then the $1,450,000,000.00 they spend on lawsuit settlements just last year alone. That's 1.45 billion dollars in case I didn't add the right amount of zeros.


Edit: adding link

https://comptroller.nyc.gov/newsroom/city-paid-1-45b-in-settlements-last-fiscal-year-nyc-comptroller-finds-in-fy-2023-claims-report/

 

[GIXXER2000]

They could have gotten an AI- ASXR, DTA or even Barrett MRAD for cheaper and you can get replacement barrels. The SAKO M-10 is a great rifle BUT near zero support were as the AI and the other have gunsmith's able to spin up barrels. When talking government purchases, it's always the guy who know the least making the decision!!!

 

[jbuck88]

You are assuming we are shopping at the same store as the gov't. I'm guessing the NYPD isn't waiting on backorders from EuroOptics or Milehigh.

Also police departments are not likely to be running custom barrel anything

 

[MaximusDecimusMeidius]

$12k and they still have to put up with awful mags

 

[Hecouldgoalltheway]

$12k and they still have to put up with awful mags

You think the mags suck?

Every day they have to wake up in New York city. Ewwww

 

[NateVA]

My question: if Chris Kyle got by with a $6,500 rifle, why did the NYPD need this Sako?

Well the NYPD aren't falsely claiming to be killing civilians from the roof of the Super Dome so maybe they have a different use for their rifles.

 

[Hecouldgoalltheway]

Well the NYPD aren't falsely claiming to be killing civilians from the roof of the Super Dome so maybe they have a different use for their rifles.

I'm glad somebody said it. I have hit my limit for arguements his week. Bro was a fraud.

Interestingly enough, Ramaddi was 2003, and thats 21 years ago.

$6,500 adjusted for inflation and plandemic gun prices is probably $15k in 2025.

 

[Baron23]

They could have gotten an AI- ASXR

$11,169.00 MSPR in .338

Just saying

 

[Nik H]

$11,169.00 MSPR in .338

Just saying

A little cheaper than the AXSR

 

[Skunk]

A little cheaper than the AXSR

Poors.

 

[Skunk]

This showed up at a school I taught a year ago. A first-class turd of a rifle!

 

[Trigger Monkey]

This showed up at a school I taught a year ago. A first-class turd of a rifle!
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That's what you get when Remington tries to out Savage Savage. I would've felt genuinely bad for that person and given him a loaner.

 

[Skunk]

That's what you get when Remington tries to out Savage Savage. I would've felt genuinely bad for that person and given him a loaner.

We ended up swapping scopes on it. He insisted on shooting the rifle all week but ended up shooting the qual course with my AIAX.

He got arrested for something a couple months later and isn’t a cop anymore….

Anyway, sorry for the derail.

 

[cas6969]

But for all I know, an NYPD sniper could come here and give a great explanation for using the Sako.

Okay the inside scoop is, Sako got the contract because they were the only one who could meet the 12 pound trigger pull requirement.

 

[FuhQ]

Why shouldn't they have nice things too..........

 

[whatsupdoc]

05622S0007001

CT1-056-20238805020

05622S0007-Sako M10 Sniper Rifle

NEW YORK CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT

ATLANTIC TACTICAL INC

CHIEF OF SPECIAL OPERATIONS

Sole Source

General Contract (CT1)

Registered

$1,294,807.48

$1,294,807.48

 

[whatsupdoc]

So they Sole Sourced the contract, they had to get approval from the NYS comptroller for that.
This means that there is no bidding and they decided that only SAKO would meet their requirements.

LOL

 

[Holliday]

It’s fun to spend other peoples money.

 

[ironpony52]

What is your point?

If your Mom was taken hostage wouldn't you want the Police Sniper to have the very best gear to end the hostage taker?

does not matter what rifle he has if he is not properly trained to use it

 

[BLEE]

All I know is, Kyle said he used a TAC-338 in the service. I don't know anything at all about his hobby guns.

Audie Murphy didn't need a rifle!

But he said he preferred the MK11.

 

[cas6969]

[TD]ATLANTIC TACTICAL INC[/TD]

Finding an Atlantic Tactical Inc in pert near every eastern state, having trouble tracking down who's cousin owns what.

 

[Faronth]

On New Year's Eve, a friend of mine sent me some photos and video his son had shot. His son works in Manhattan, and he photographed a cop (hopefully) with a big ol' sniper rifle.

My understanding is that this thing is a Sako which costs about $12,000 before glass. That's the price for people who actually pay for it, although these guns were provided to the NYPD in a high-profile transaction, so maybe they got a deal.

My question: if Chris Kyle got by with a $6,500 rifle, why did the NYPD need this Sako?

I checked Sako's website, and it looks like it's full of sales BS, but I am no sniper.

They say this thing can be worked on by the user. Well, I work on my guns just fine, and I am incapable of real gunsmithing. And police departments have unions that would never go for taking work away from full-time armorers.

They say you can swap the barrel for different jobs. If you can afford a $12,000 gun, can't you afford more guns and leave the barrels where they are? Maybe I'm ignorant, but what professional sniper wants to swap barrels after he gets his gun just right? It makes no sense to me. How would you keep your zero? And if you have to swap barrels before leaving the station, doesn't it mean you're an incompetent who has no idea what the mission is? Shouldn't you have all that stuff figured out before the call comes?

The whole thing mystifies me. You can walk into Bass Pro and buy a reliable 0.75-MOA rifle whenever you want, so what is the purpose of this thing? No cop needs more accuracy than that.

Okay, tell me why I'm wrong. I just put my flameproof socks on.


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You are not wrong.

 

[trob]

On New Year's Eve, a friend of mine sent me some photos and video his son had shot. His son works in Manhattan, and he photographed a cop (hopefully) with a big ol' sniper rifle.

My understanding is that this thing is a Sako which costs about $12,000 before glass. That's the price for people who actually pay for it, although these guns were provided to the NYPD in a high-profile transaction, so maybe they got a deal.

My question: if Chris Kyle got by with a $6,500 rifle, why did the NYPD need this Sako?

I checked Sako's website, and it looks like it's full of sales BS, but I am no sniper.

They say this thing can be worked on by the user. Well, I work on my guns just fine, and I am incapable of real gunsmithing. And police departments have unions that would never go for taking work away from full-time armorers.

They say you can swap the barrel for different jobs. If you can afford a $12,000 gun, can't you afford more guns and leave the barrels where they are? Maybe I'm ignorant, but what professional sniper wants to swap barrels after he gets his gun just right? It makes no sense to me. How would you keep your zero? And if you have to swap barrels before leaving the station, doesn't it mean you're an incompetent who has no idea what the mission is? Shouldn't you have all that stuff figured out before the call comes?

The whole thing mystifies me. You can walk into Bass Pro and buy a reliable 0.75-MOA rifle whenever you want, so what is the purpose of this thing? No cop needs more accuracy than that.

Okay, tell me why I'm wrong. I just put my flameproof socks on.


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You sure are a whiner……if my ass is on the line, I want that guy to be equipped with the best.

 

[FuhQ]

It’s fun to spend other peoples money.

Yep, look at how much of OUR money the Dems gave away to the corrupt crooks in Ukraine and Israel...When it should have been spent here to fix our own fucking problems with our OWN country and citizens.

 

[FuhQ]

You sure are a whiner……if my ass is on the line, I want that guy to be equipped with the best.

I've been told by almost every cop I know... Their gun is for THEIR protection, not mine... So, he'll be looking after his own ass, not your's. So, if you get hit, you're just collateral damage to him, and they'll fill out a few papers and let the coroner do the rest.

 

[jbuck88]

I've been told by almost every cop I know... Their gun is for THEIR protection, not mine... So, he'll be looking after his own ass, not your's. So, if you get hit, you're just collateral damage to him, and they'll fill out a few papers and let the coroner do the rest.

Even more reason to give him the best chance at saving his own ass and not shooting yours by accident.

 

[Buck Wilde]

You sure are a whiner……if my ass is on the line, I want that guy to be equipped with the best.

What an idiot. Are you still drunk from New Year's?

 

[trob]

What an idiot. Are you still drunk from New Year's?

Your caretaker should really limit your internet use.
You felt it was necessary to write a whole page about a department, which probably has the highest budget in the world, having a nice rifle. Go yell at some more clouds.

 

[whatsupdoc]

Finding an Atlantic Tactical Inc in pert near every eastern state, having trouble tracking down who's cousin owns what.

Brands & Affiliates

www.cadre-holdings.com

They own a number of company's.

 

[patriot07]

What is your point?

If your Mom was taken hostage wouldn't you want the Police Sniper to have the very best gear to end the hostage taker?

To be honest, I'd much rather they have spent $10k on training and practice with a $2k rifle. I had a military sniper out at my place not long ago teaching a course for a couple days. The amount of things he didn't know about shooting accurately was astounding.

 

[patriot07]

Even more reason to give him the best chance at saving his own ass and not shooting yours by accident.

If all they want to do is not get themselves hurt, why don't they just stay home?